When an actor suddenly becomes 'hot property'

[WhatALovelyDay]

Also can Hollywood stop giving us Vince Vaughn movies? they all flop.

[Buscemi]

Originally Posted by WhatALovelyDay

Also can Hollywood stop giving us Vince Vaughn movies? they all flop.

I figured they would after The Dilemma flopped and people found out how much of a jerk he is. But I guess Hollywood is still stuck in its "it's all about middle American values" phase.

But Unfinished Business might have finally ended Vaughn in Hollywood.

[Jett Rink]

Don't forget actor burnout, by the viewing public. There are times when I wish a prolific actor would drop dead because of the amount of films they do.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

I'm happy for Chris Pratt's fame but the true test is to see him in a blockbuster film that isn't connected to Marvel, dinosaurs or monkey brains.

Gerard Butler, Clive Owen, Daniel Craig are some more actors that came and went. (Craig is only a success in his James Bond films not in other films)

Chris Pratt so far is a great replacement for Cary Elwes. When the action movie gigs fade, he may have a good run with comedies too (hopefully not a string of romantic comedies) since he is originally a funny guy.

Craig is a great one. He swans about like he's megastar but you take Bond off him and he has nothing. He cannot open his own movies to save his life. He demands more money for a Dragon Tattoo sequel, dude should be grateful for the work as it will dry up as soon as he's not Bond.

[Blu-Benny]

Pratt would be perfect as the new Indiana Jones. He's got the build to be believable as an action guy.

He looks like he could be a brand new professor just starting out.

He can pull off the little bit of comedy an Indiana Jones movie would require.

And he's a good actor.

It's not like his role in Jurassic World was this big, over the top action guy that was in every scene. I actually found his role in it to be similar to the Alan Grant character from the 1st movie.

[levcore]

I just don't want to see the guy in everything, i do not want him to be Indiana Jones, at all. He has two mega franchises under his belt, that's more than enough.

Plus personally i can't see him in the role at all.

[MrBlonde]

I'd rather not have any, but if we have to have more Indy I'm okay with it being Pratt.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by levcore

I just don't want to see the guy in everything, i do not want him to be Indiana Jones, at all. He has two mega franchises under his belt, that's more than enough.

Plus personally i can't see him in the role at all.

Harrison Ford: Indiana Jones, Han Solo, Jack Ryan

Chris Pratt becoming Indiana Jones wont make him be in everything. The human characters are secondary in the Jurrasic Park movies. It's quite possible he wont be in the next one nor will the next Jurrasic Park movie fail without him. Wasnt Vince Vaughn as hot as Chris Pratt when Jurassic Park 2 came out?

[levcore]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Harrison Ford: Indiana Jones, Han Solo, Jack Ryan

Chris Pratt becoming Indiana Jones wont make him be in everything. The human characters are secondary in the Jurrasic Park movies. It's quite possible he wont be in the next one nor will the next Jurrasic Park movie fail without him. Wasnt Vince Vaughn as hot as Chris Pratt when Jurassic Park 2 came out?

Sure Ford had those but IMO Ford is FAR more talented than Pratt, like it's not even funny how vast the chasm is between them in terms of ability. I just see Pratt as this loveable goof which is fine, but he is not suited to Indy (IMO).

Vince Vaughan i dunno, he always struck me as one of those guys who, like Owen Wilson, Hollywood just didn't have a clue what to do with them, they tried a bit here, a bit there, but really they're just known for their comedies.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by levcore

Craig is a great one. He swans about like he's megastar but you take Bond off him and he has nothing. He cannot open his own movies to save his life. He demands more money for a Dragon Tattoo sequel, dude should be grateful for the work as it will dry up as soon as he's not Bond.

To be fair, this is true of every actor who played James Bond except for Connery. Moore had The Saint before Bond, but very little (if anything) after Bond. Lazenby was a bust before and after Bond. Brosnan hasn't made much of a name for himself post-Bond. Only Dalton seems to have gotten some amusing movie roles and a TV show here and there. Craig is a very talented actor in his own right, but yeah, his non-Bond movies have underperformed at the box office (Dragon Tattoo, Cowboys/Aliens, Dream House were all in one year, Tintin did well internationally but flopped in the U.S.).

[Buscemi]

Originally Posted by levcore

Craig is a great one. He swans about like he's megastar but you take Bond off him and he has nothing. He cannot open his own movies to save his life. He demands more money for a Dragon Tattoo sequel, dude should be grateful for the work as it will dry up as soon as he's not Bond.

Actually, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo 2 hasn't happened yet because Fincher doesn't want to direct and Sony doesn't want to pay him the $5 million he's owed in the pay-or-play deal he signed for the first one (which basically states that even if he doesn't direct, he still gets paid as well as receiving an executive producer credit).

Currently, the plan is to combine the last two Steig Larsson novels plus the fourth novel that was written by someone else (for legal reasons and because only 30% was written before his death, Larsson's manuscript for his fourth installment cannot be published) into a single feature with new actors in the roles. I'm somewhat surprised Sony and MGM hasn't considered going the miniseries route with these (much like how the last two Noomi Rapace installments were produced for television and upgraded to theatrical releases).

[levcore]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

To be fair, this is true of every actor who played James Bond except for Connery. Moore had The Saint before Bond, but very little (if anything) after Bond. Lazenby was a bust before and after Bond. Brosnan hasn't made much of a name for himself post-Bond. Only Dalton seems to have gotten some amusing movie roles and a TV show here and there. Craig is a very talented actor in his own right, but yeah, his non-Bond movies have underperformed at the box office (Dragon Tattoo, Cowboys/Aliens, Dream House were all in one year, Tintin did well internationally but flopped in the U.S.).

Without wanting to go off on a tangent i think Brosnan has done pretty well post Bond, although i guess this term is relative.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by Buscemi

Actually, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo 2 hasn't happened yet because Fincher doesn't want to direct and Sony doesn't want to pay him the $5 million he's owed in the pay-or-play deal he signed for the first one (which basically states that even if he doesn't direct, he still gets paid as well as receiving an executive producer credit).

Currently, the plan is to combine the last two Steig Larsson novels plus the fourth novel that was written by someone else (for legal reasons and because only 30% was written before his death, Larsson's manuscript for his fourth installment cannot be published) into a single feature with new actors in the roles. I'm somewhat surprised Sony and MGM hasn't considered going the miniseries route with these (much like how the last two Noomi Rapace installments were produced for television and upgraded to theatrical releases).

Well here's hoping they happen, that's the main thing!

I definitely read somewhere a while back that Craig wanted more money too and that he was a key component in the delay in getting sequels off the ground but hey i don't want to go off track too much and i take your points.

[Todd Tomorrow]

Audiences go to movies less and less to see stars, they are sold on existing franchises. Franchises are the news stars. Even films with the likes of Will Smith or Tom Cruise now mostly perform well only if they star in an existing franchise. The salaries these stars get are worth it less and less, so it makes sense to cast lesser known, lower paid actors who are disposable till the next rent-a-hunk comes along.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

Audiences go to movies less and less to see stars, they are sold on existing franchises. Franchises are the news stars. Even films with the likes of Will Smith or Tom Cruise now mostly perform well only if they star in an existing franchise. The salaries these stars get are worth it less and less, so it makes sense to cast lesser known, lower paid actors who are disposable till the next rent-a-hunk comes along.

Yes, this i agree with completely. Thing is, in mere months Pratt has gone from a 'nobody' to someone who is now earning $12 Million a movie, before to long it'll be $20 Million, then he's priced out of the market. I agree the star system is failing/ has failed recently and that studios are understandably reticent to pay these huge fees, i don't blame. The brands are definitely bigger than the star these days.

[Buscemi]

A big problem with Hollywood is their reluctance to take chances. In past decades, you saw Hollywood take chances with actors like Audrey Hepburn, James Dean, Mark Hamill, Christopher Reeve, William Hurt, and Alan Rickman. Nowadays, we've come to expect a name.

There are a lot of people in television that deserve a chance at the big time and even though a few have and been successful (such as Melissa McCarthy and the aforementioned Pratt), most are still stuck while Hollywood attempts to give Vince Vaughn or James Franco another chance.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by levcore

Sure Ford had those but IMO Ford is FAR more talented than Pratt, like it's not even funny how vast the chasm is between them in terms of ability. I just see Pratt as this loveable goof which is fine, but he is not suited to Indy (IMO).

You're basing this comment on an actor who's been around for 30 years to one who has only recently come into the mainstream.

Sounds like your a little to jaded and are only going to see your side to this whole topic.

[Doctor Jack]

Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

When an unknown actor becomes hot property it never ends well for them. On another note saying Jurassic World is a hit because of Chris Pratt is a sick joke.

Originally Posted by Buscemi

Anyone could have played the roles Pratt played because he isn't the star. Sure, he may be the main character but we don't see them for him. It's the visuals, the special effects, the comic relief and the brand names that sell his movies.

Pratt will finally get his test with Passengers which is in pre-production. Basically Sony's attempt at Gravity, he will be paid $12 million (and Jennifer Lawrence $20 million) to sell this currently budgeted at $117 million (though Sony intends to cut it to $100 million*) sci-fi movie not based on a product or franchise. If it fails to break even (which it will require a lot to do so, as prints and advertising are expensive and Lawrence is getting something like 30% of the gross), it could hurt Pratt's bankability in non-franchise films.

I said that Pratt had pretty much nothing to do with Jurassic World and GOTG's big numbers and that until he starred in a big non established franchise film and the results came in, you couldn't say he was the draw, in the Indiana Jones Reboot thread and everyone called me delusional. It's nice to see that I am not alone in thinking that people went to see those movies for the dinosaurs eating people and because there was a Marvel logo in front respectively.

[Todd Tomorrow]

I quite like Pratt btw but don't understand the amount of discussion, speculation and (in some cases) hatred he provokes. He's been cast in one major role which played to his strengths as a comedic actor and in one which was just a blandly written hero part which anybody could have played. Time will tell if he is a one trick pony, but at least give the man a chance !

[levcore]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

You're basing this comment on an actor who's been around for 30 years to one who has only recently come into the mainstream.

Sounds like your a little to jaded and are only going to see your side to this whole topic.

That's me to a tee!