Any chance of 1080p TVs with HDR? - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

ray0414 · 02-20-2017, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by steve1971

I had a Samsung 4K/HDR tv for a whole 2 weeks and guess what? I took it back and got my money back and went back to my Sony 55inch W900A. I thought I was going to be blown away by the PQ and I wasnt, I thought watching 4K video's I was going to be blown away and I wasnt, and I thought watching Blu's upscaled to 4K would also look very good and to be honest they didnt look any different then they looked before. Then I had to decide if I wanted to change out some of my equipment for 4K? Answer was no because I have to much money invested into what I already have. So the tv was returned and I am gonna stay with what I have for maybe 2-3 years before I even think of going with a new tv and when that happens it will be OLED or a projection system. My W900A and the gear I have in my HT rig is running great and all I need to invest in is a subwoofer. So for the rest of 2017 I stay put with what I have. Just my 2 cents.

Probably the wrong choice to buy. Should a went sony 4k or lg oled.

78deluxe · 02-20-2017, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve1971

I had a Samsung 4K/HDR tv for a whole 2 weeks and guess what? I took it back and got my money back and went back to my Sony 55inch W900A. I thought I was going to be blown away by the PQ and I wasnt, I thought watching 4K video's I was going to be blown away and I wasnt, and I thought watching Blu's upscaled to 4K would also look very good and to be honest they didnt look any different then they looked before. Then I had to decide if I wanted to change out some of my equipment for 4K? Answer was no because I have to much money invested into what I already have. So the tv was returned and I am gonna stay with what I have for maybe 2-3 years before I even think of going with a new tv and when that happens it will be OLED or a projection system. My W900A and the gear I have in my HT rig is running great and all I need to invest in is a subwoofer. So for the rest of 2017 I stay put with what I have. Just my 2 cents.

A few factors involved here. YOu have a decent TV already.

How Far away is your viewing distance? At 55 inches, you have to be pretty close to really see a 4K resolution difference above 1080P

1080P content on an OLED is going to be in improvement over your set, just because the display is far better with contrast.

For most viewing distances, it isn't really about the 4K spec, it is about the quality of the display. And OLED is the market leader in that dept.

JJ · 02-20-2017, 06:13 PM

I don't think Steve ever had a true 4K/HDR source. I suspect he was using 4K off of YouTube and just upscaling regular BD to 4K.

Cortiz · 02-20-2017, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve1971

I had a Samsung 4K/HDR tv for a whole 2 weeks and guess what? I took it back and got my money back and went back to my Sony 55inch W900A. I thought I was going to be blown away by the PQ and I wasnt, I thought watching 4K video's I was going to be blown away and I wasnt, and I thought watching Blu's upscaled to 4K would also look very good and to be honest they didnt look any different then they looked before. Then I had to decide if I wanted to change out some of my equipment for 4K? Answer was no because I have to much money invested into what I already have. So the tv was returned and I am gonna stay with what I have for maybe 2-3 years before I even think of going with a new tv and when that happens it will be OLED or a projection system. My W900A and the gear I have in my HT rig is running great and all I need to invest in is a subwoofer. So for the rest of 2017 I stay put with what I have. Just my 2 cents.

Did you also have the chance to test it with a true 4K BD Player (not upscale)? If not, then that's probably why you weren't blown away

Cortiz · 03-29-2017, 08:57 PM

If Sony was able to add HDR to the PS4 and there are now a bunch of 1080p games available with HDR, ie. The Last of Us, then it is technically possible to add HDR to 1080p. But will cannibalize the 4K sales so they won't do it. Too bad for folks that just upgraded to 1080p just a few years ago and now they have been asked to upgrade to 4K.

BigBlue10989 · 04-03-2017, 09:29 PM

http://www.techradar.com/news/sony-i...s-will-benefit

HDTV1080P · 04-03-2017, 11:29 PM

There are many native 1080P projectors that accept a 4K Ultra HD signal with HDR and downscale the image to 1080P with HDR. The same thing can be done with flat panels, however since there is already many 4K Ultra HD flat panels under $1,000 the price difference might only be $200 or $300 cheaper to make a 1080P flat panel that accepts 4K Ultra HD with HDR and downscales the image to 1080P with HDR.

Paianni · 10-26-2021, 12:53 PM

Four years later and now all the current sub-4K TVs from the big name manufacturers have HDR capability, and they all claim to support HDR images through their HDMI 1.4 inputs, so they must be bending the protocol to make that possible. Whether or not 4K Blu-ray players can retain HDR when downscaling to 1080p, let alone send it over an HDMI 1.4 link, seems to be another minefield.

avs commenter · 10-26-2021, 12:56 PM

Amazon has a firestick that is HD only but does have the option to add HDR to image.

LexInHD · 10-26-2021, 04:06 PM

My Samsung UHD-BD Player and 2018 Samsung FALD LED HDTV with HDR work fine together and the TV seems to be using HDMI 2.0. Unfortunately, the HDR compatibility is limited to HDR10 and HDR only works when fed certain external sources, as the built-in apps don't support HDR content as far as I can tell and it doesn't seem to work as an HDR display with my PC, though I use it as my PC monitor.

meremortal · 10-27-2021, 12:42 AM

1080p with HDR sounds interesting if it can be done. And similarly, it's a shame uhd isn't compatible with 3d.

LexInHD · 10-27-2021, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by meremortal

1080p with HDR sounds interesting if it can be done. And similarly, it's a shame uhd isn't compatible with 3d.

There's no if. They can do it easily and have been for years. Sony, Samsung, and others have been selling HDR-equipped LED HDTVs in Asia for the better part of a decade now, because Asia and it's streamers/broadcasters are ahead of the US and UK, because of the Japanese/South Korean/Chinese content makers pushing technology ahead in broadcasting/streaming. If you were to go back to the high-end FALD designs from the last generation of premium, large-sized HDTVs of yesteryear, you'd be able to get a pretty nice picture if you implemented HDR. By the time HDR was a thing, only smaller HDTVs were being manufactured and sold world-wide, with a few markets getting "normal sized" 50-60 inch models, while they disappeared from the US. In the US, we only have VIZIO and Samsung offering 40-inch TVs with 1080P and HDR, while the rest are 32-inch or smaller models that tend to be 720p and may or may not have HDR.

Lee A Stewart · 10-28-2021, 10:20 AM

The production of HDTVs (45" and bigger) is over. Has been for a while. 1080P HDR is used to shoot sports then upscaled to 4K HDR and sent over the internet. Only ATSC 3.0 will use native 1080P HDR which your new 4K TV will upscale.

HDR didn't become a reality until 3 years after the introduction of 4K TVs (2015).

02-20-2017, 06:13 PM	#23
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	I don't think Steve ever had a true 4K/HDR source. I suspect he was using 4K off of YouTube and just upscaling regular BD to 4K.

03-29-2017, 08:57 PM	#25
Cortiz Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Out there, past them trees Trading Score:489	If Sony was able to add HDR to the PS4 and there are now a bunch of 1080p games available with HDR, ie. The Last of Us, then it is technically possible to add HDR to 1080p. But will cannibalize the 4K sales so they won't do it. Too bad for folks that just upgraded to 1080p just a few years ago and now they have been asked to upgrade to 4K.

04-03-2017, 09:29 PM	#26
BigBlue10989 Active Member Member since:Jul 2011 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:212	http://www.techradar.com/news/sony-i...s-will-benefit

04-03-2017, 11:29 PM	#27
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	There are many native 1080P projectors that accept a 4K Ultra HD signal with HDR and downscale the image to 1080P with HDR. The same thing can be done with flat panels, however since there is already many 4K Ultra HD flat panels under $1,000 the price difference might only be $200 or $300 cheaper to make a 1080P flat panel that accepts 4K Ultra HD with HDR and downscales the image to 1080P with HDR.

10-26-2021, 12:53 PM	#28
Paianni Junior Member Member since:Apr 2021 Blu-ray collection:9 DVD collection:4	Four years later and now all the current sub-4K TVs from the big name manufacturers have HDR capability, and they all claim to support HDR images through their HDMI 1.4 inputs, so they must be bending the protocol to make that possible. Whether or not 4K Blu-ray players can retain HDR when downscaling to 1080p, let alone send it over an HDMI 1.4 link, seems to be another minefield.

10-26-2021, 12:56 PM	#29
avs commenter Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2018 Trading Score:8	Amazon has a firestick that is HD only but does have the option to add HDR to image.

10-26-2021, 04:06 PM	#30
LexInHD Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2010 Blu-ray collection:226	My Samsung UHD-BD Player and 2018 Samsung FALD LED HDTV with HDR work fine together and the TV seems to be using HDMI 2.0. Unfortunately, the HDR compatibility is limited to HDR10 and HDR only works when fed certain external sources, as the built-in apps don't support HDR content as far as I can tell and it doesn't seem to work as an HDR display with my PC, though I use it as my PC monitor.

10-27-2021, 12:42 AM	#31
meremortal Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2012 Location:Bedford Falls Trading Score:258	1080p with HDR sounds interesting if it can be done. And similarly, it's a shame uhd isn't compatible with 3d.

10-28-2021, 10:20 AM	#33
Lee A Stewart Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jan 2019 Location:Albuquerque, NM	The production of HDTVs (45" and bigger) is over. Has been for a while. 1080P HDR is used to shoot sports then upscaled to 4K HDR and sent over the internet. Only ATSC 3.0 will use native 1080P HDR which your new 4K TV will upscale. HDR didn't become a reality until 3 years after the introduction of 4K TVs (2015).

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