The Roku Ultra Streaming Player is currently the best on the market

[PeterTHX]

Damn.
I was hoping the updated info was about Netflix with Atmos. Right now it's only available on the XBOX One and LG displays.

I've been playing 4K Vudu with Atmos and 4K Netflix with DD+ for a while now via the Ultra (and before that the Roku 4).

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Damn.
I was hoping the updated info was about Netflix with Atmos. Right now it's only available on the XBOX One and LG displays.

I've been playing 4K Vudu with Atmos and 4K Netflix with DD+ for a while now via the Ultra (and before that the Roku 4).

That is weird that you are not getting ATMOS with Netflix on the Roku Ultra. The Roku Ultra offers Dolby Digital Plus core for Netflix which is a requirement for bitstreaming lossy Dolby ATMOS.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

That is weird that you are not getting ATMOS with Netflix on the Roku Ultra. The Roku Ultra offers Dolby Digital Plus core for Netflix which is a requirement for bitstreaming lossy Dolby ATMOS.

They still need to pass the metadata and right now only the app on the XBOX One and LG TVs recognize and pass it.
Also the base-mix is a 7.1 stream, and they can limit it similar to the same way Vudu does - 5.1 DD+ for SD/HDX, 7.1 Atmos DD+ for UHD.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

That is weird that you are not getting ATMOS with Netflix on the Roku Ultra. The Roku Ultra offers Dolby Digital Plus core for Netflix which is a requirement for bitstreaming lossy Dolby ATMOS.

that's a thing between Netflix with LG & Microsoft. it's not a Roku issue. I suspect that at some point their deal to keep it exclusive will end and Roku and other 4K/ATMOS capable streaming devices will get the update to support ATMOS streaming. haven't seen anything about a timetable for that anywhere. I suspect at some point this year. I suspect the number of Roku & appletv 4k owners along with UHD Blu-ray players that support 4k Netflix is greater in numbers than xbox & lg owners.

we can only hope it will be sooner rather than later.

[HDTV1080P]

The Roku Ultra does support Dolby ATMOS from VUDU, however for some reason it sounds like Netflix is limiting the streaming to Dolby Digital Plus with no metadata. Perhaps the Netflix app needs a update after the exclusive contract is up with XBOX One and LG.


Those that own the LG and Xbox One, are you seeing the Dolby Atmos symbol listed for each movie in the Netflix interface that offers Dolby Atmos? Or perhaps one needs to locate the Dolby ATMOS track by a random process depending on what movie one watches.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The Netflix video menu is 60fps (or 30fps that is converted to 60fps), and when a preview trailer starts to automatically play the Roku Ultra will switch to 24fps if the native trailer frame rate is 24fps. Then when one navigates in the menu once the trailer is over, the Roku Ultra switches back to 60fps. Now when watching a 24fps movie there should not be a issue. Its only when the native frame rate of the source changes frame rates is when for a second or a few seconds video is lost (but not during the movie or series). It appears some Sony Blu-ray players the Netflix interface starts at 60fps and then when it switches to 24fps, it stays at 24fps until the Netflix application is exited. So sometimes I believe the menus are shown at 24fps instead of the native 60fps, but the advantage of doing this is that there is less loss of video when navigating in the menu. The work around to the problem is to turn off the 24fps feature in the Roku Ultra. A better solution would be for Roku Ultra to write a firmware update so that the Netflix menu interface stays at a 24fps frame rate and does not switch back to 60fps when the 24fps movie is over. However some videos on Netflix might be native 30fps, in those cases one would want the Netflix Interface to switch to 60fps.

Why not just leave it at 60fps? The difference on native 24p is unnoticeable. Some really good streaming devices only play at 60fps like Chromecast Ultra and they look fine

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why not just leave it at 60fps? The difference on native 24p is unnoticeable. Some really good streaming devices only play at 60fps like Chromecast Ultra and they look fine

60Hz adds the 3:2 pulldown judder that is noticeable during camera pans. Consumers into films want to see the original 24fps shown on their display at multiplies of the original frame rate or at the original 24fps on a high-end DLP projector setup.

[HDTV1080P]

The Roku Ultra has HDMI 2.0a with support for HDR10. If the hardware is capable of Dolby Vision HDR, then a firmware update to HDMI 2.0b with Dolby Vision HDR would be possible. However there might be a hardware limitation in the processing power and maybe a new Roku model might need to be released to support Dolby Vision HDR. Now with HDMI 2.1 technology on a possible future Roku, it could support HDR10+ technology also.

[HDTV1080P]

When manufactures change hardware specs in a product they should also be required to change the model number on a product

I have seen power adapters with 2 meter cords and having several safety certifications and DOE energy certifications. Then a year or so later the exact same brand and model of power adapter only has a 1.2 meter cord with less safety certifications and a different energy efficiency certification. The specs changed on the product but the model number remained the same. I am not talking about or complaining about the Roku power adapters but making a point that changing specs on a product and keeping the same model number occurs with many different companies on the market.

Back in 2016 the Roku Ultra was released for $129.99 with a optical digital output. However in 2017 Roku reduced their price on the Roku Ultra to $99.99 but unaware to most consumers is the fact that the optical output was removed to make the product $30 cheaper in price at retail stores. Now if one looks at the specs on the new 2017 Roku Ultra, in the fine print it does mention that this Roku Ultra is the 4660 model. But since both Roku Ultra’s look exactly the same, the average consumer that wants to purchase a second Roku Ultra might be surprised to learn there is no more optical output on the Roku Ultra. Optical outputs are used for older A/V receiver equipment with no HDMI inputs and used for consumers that run 4K Ultra HD to the TV directly since their old A/V receiver does not pass 4K signals.



In the future, I hope future products will avoid this confusion by changing the name of the product and model number on the product when the specs on the product change. Sone cosnumers that need optical output on a Roku Ultra might try and hunt down a original 2016 Roku Ultra from some dealer that still has old stock (Amazon has some of the old stock with optical output). The old stock might be priced at $129.99 from some dealers, however the old stock is priced at $99.99 from Amazon.


Technically the original 2016 Roku Ultra is better than the new Roku Ultra model 4660 since the optical output exists on the original Roku.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

60Hz adds the 3:2 pulldown judder that is noticeable during camera pans. Consumers into films want to see the original 24fps shown on their display at multiplies of the original frame rate or at the original 24fps on a high-end DLP projector setup.

Most streaming devices work at 60Hz and to be honest 24fps is pretty juddery as is

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[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Most streaming devices work at 60Hz and to be honest 24fps is pretty juddery as is

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The Roku Ultra and 100% of all modern Blu-ray players for the last 8 years (and even some Blu-ray players from the year 2006), offer a choice in the menu of either 60Hz or 24Hz. The video should always be shown at the sources native frame rate. Commercial movie theaters always show movies at the native frame rate or multiplies of the original frame rate.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The Roku Ultra and 100% of all modern Blu-ray players for the last 8 years (and even some Blu-ray players from the year 2006), offer a choice in the menu of either 60Hz or 24Hz. The video should always be shown at the sources native frame rate. Commercial movie theaters always show movies at the native frame rate or multiplies of the original frame rate.

Chromecast Ultra is arguably one of the best streaming devices and it only outputs 60Hz.
Bluray players are a different beast altogether. We're talking strictly streaming devices here...Oh and my Roku 2 also streams only at 60Hz

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[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Chromecast Ultra is arguably one of the best streaming devices and it only outputs 60Hz.
Bluray players are a different beast altogether. We're talking strictly streaming devices here...Oh and my Roku 2 also streams only at 60Hz

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The Roku Ultra Streaming Player for $129.99 was given a 2016 top pick award by Sound and Vision magazine. The Roku Ultra is a reference streaming player. Maybe one day Chromecast Ultra will get a firmware update to support both 60Hz and 24Hz, that is if it does not have some type of hardware limitation that limits it to only 60Hz with 3:2 pulldown judder.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The Roku Ultra Streaming Player for $129.99 was given a 2016 top pick award by Sound and Vision magazine. The Roku Ultra is a reference streaming player. Maybe one day Chromecast Ultra will get a firmware update to support both 60Hz and 24Hz, that is if it does not have some type of hardware limitation that limits it to only 60Hz with 3:2 pulldown judder.

My imported projector only plays at 30Hz and 60Hz so I don't think it would matter much anyway

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[RockyIII]

Ok I connected my new Roku Ultra 4K but I'm not getting the HDR badge when streaming 4K HDR

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[HDTV1080P]

Make sure your display (and A/V receiver) support HDR10 technology over HDMI. Both the display and A/V receiver need a minimum of HDMI version 2.0a to use HDR10. Now if your equipment fully supports HDR10 over HDMI, then you might be experiencing a HDMI handshaking issue. Try changing the auto detect feature in the Roku Ultra and manually changing it to 4K with HDR (I am not currently next to the family members Roku Ultra, so I do not remember the exact menu setting name).

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Make sure your display (and A/V receiver) support HDR10 technology over HDMI. Both the display and A/V receiver need a minimum of HDMI version 2.0a to use HDR10. Now if your equipment fully supports HDR10 over HDMI, then you might be experiencing a HDMI handshaking issue. Try changing the auto detect feature in the Roku Ultra and manually changing it to 4K with HDR (I am not currently next to the family members Roku Ultra, so I do not remember the exact menu setting name).

Damn I bought the wrong Roku device. This is Roku Premiere

[HDTV1080P]

I see the Roku Ultra is on sale for $89.99 now. With all the new flat panel screens with built in Roku, it has created an issue where standalone Roku’s are now only needed for projectors and older displays without any built in streaming.

https://www.roku.com/products/roku-ultra

Things have really changed over the years. I was looking online at an old standalone Roku player, and I see that the old models had 480i composite video, 480i S-Video, component video, optical output, Ethernet, and HDMI output. The latest Roku Ultra only has Ethernet and HDMI output. So while the quality of Roku's have improved over the years, the back of a Roku Ultra has less jacks just like one experiences on Blu-ray players.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Damn I bought the wrong Roku device. This is Roku Premiere

If its been less then 30 days you might be able to return it. If you cannot return it you might be able to sale it on EBAY or something.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Damn I bought the wrong Roku device. This is Roku Premiere