Are old films worth upgrading to 4k ?

[Lensman]

More accurate colour palette.
Potentially higher resolution than blu-ray standard.
Higher, more film like contrast ratio.
Nearer to the original film frames in every way!

Good luck getting the studios to release the discs though. I'm still waiting for many films on blu-ray!
Criterion might be the solution because their business model is high price, low sales, maximum quality.

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Lensman

More accurate colour palette.
Potentially higher resolution than blu-ray standard.
Higher, more film like contrast ratio.
Nearer to the original film frames in every way!

Good luck getting the studios to release the discs though. I'm still waiting for many films on blu-ray!
Criterion might be the solution because their business model is high price, low sales, maximum quality.

Criterion isn't always maximum quality. Goes for everyone. Goes more for compression.

[brainofj72]

Not sure where to post this, but this thread fits the bill well enough. Someone who works for Vinegar Syndrome tweeted this, which makes me very sad.



It's wild to me that so many people who are passionate about movies seem to be fighting this format at every opportunity. Sigh.

[LettuceJUMP]

Older movies for me are better upgrades. New films on blu-ray look almost as good.

[Phillip c. Niethe]

Yes ....that Brad Henderson guy must be smoking good stuff...that or he has a Real4K or Fake4K website Logo Tattooed to his cheast...mmmm maybe both

[tama]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

Not sure where to post this, but this thread fits the bill well enough. Someone who works for Vinegar Syndrome tweeted this, which makes me very sad.



It's wild to me that so many people who are passionate about movies seem to be fighting this format at every opportunity. Sigh.

Pay no mind to uninformed morons like this guy. DVD

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

Not sure where to post this, but this thread fits the bill well enough. Someone who works for Vinegar Syndrome tweeted this, which makes me very sad.

[Show spoiler]

It's wild to me that so many people who are passionate about movies seem to be fighting this format at every opportunity. Sigh.

The amount of push back for UHD is baffling to me; the replies are painful to read. 35mm can look like real stunners when treated properly and with care such as "Apocalypse Now", "The Big Lebowski", "Blade Runner", "It's a Wonderful Life" and too many others to list.

[crackedknee]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

The amount of push back for UHD is baffling to me. 35mm can look like real stunners when treated properly and with care such as "Apocalypse Now", "The Big Lebowski", "Blade Runner", "It's a Wonderful Life" and too many others to list.

Well, of course, he doesn't give any examples of non-restored and upconverted (i.e. not rescanned) movies that are better on mere DVD (or HD even).

I can see his point if maybe some elements of the film no longer exist except in 16mm, and no rescan. A 4K scan of 16mm might be overkill, but not necessarily a scam/con as he claims.

There are plenty of HD scans where you get the disclaimer about some elements (or sometimes the whole film) being 16 or even 8mm. It's not a scam if you're told what you're getting.

[EinCB128]

As a person who knows nothing about how scanning or remastering works:

Yes. Absolutely. Go for it.

[heineken]

Blu-ray is good enough for me. The last format I invest in.

[birdztudio]

Originally Posted by heineken

Blu-ray is good enough for me. The last format I invest in.

no offense but may i ask why are you even in this 4K UHD forum?

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by tama

Pay no mind to uninformed morons like this guy. DVD

That’s the thing though: I wouldn’t exactly call him an “uniformed moron” considering what he does for a living. It’s one thing when some Joe Nobody dismisses the format, but when industry people do it it’s a real bummer.

[Bn43]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

That’s the thing though: I wouldn’t exactly call him an “uniformed moron” considering what he does for a living. It’s one thing when some Joe Nobody dismisses the format, but when industry people do it it’s a real bummer.

I'm kind of surprised you take his word when you already have 200 4K discs. I know he's full of it with only 31. Probably has ulterior motives. The controversy would certainly get his company a bit of attention.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

Not sure where to post this, but this thread fits the bill well enough. Someone who works for Vinegar Syndrome tweeted this, which makes me very sad.

[Show spoiler]

So, he doesn't want us to buy Tammy and the T-Rex?

[Flash3000]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

HDR might mean something completely different in a nursing home. DNR certainly does...

Jesus that was funny. I work in nursing in a 100 bed dementia and high care/terminal care facility. Am i bad for laughing?

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by Bn43

I'm kind of surprised you take his word when you already have 200 4K discs. I know he's full of it with only 31. Probably has ulterior motives. The controversy would certainly get his company a bit of attention.

Huh? I’m not taking his word for anything. He’s clearly very wrong. I’m just saying it’s a bummer when people in any position of industry authority spread misinformation like this.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by Flash3000

Jesus that was funny. I work in nursing in a 100 bed dementia and high care/terminal care facility. Am i bad for laughing?

Nope. As you probably know -- the residents of these facilities and most Hospice I've been around tell far more morbid, but hysterical jokes.
Most of the terminally ill older folks seen far more comfortable with the Whole Monty Python Look on the Bright Side stuff. It's the generations down that can't handle it

Used to work with Oncology and especially Cystic Fibrosis teens (in the 80's when it was far more lethal) -- at night when all the adults were gone and if they trusted you, they'd tell the absolutely awful horrendous hysterical jokes in their 'Social Time" and literally dare you to laugh along. Of course usually as they were trying to steal the keys or get you to open the locked doors (and turn security off) so they could raid the vending machines with coat hangers and slugs. They always knew which machine was sort of broken

[SillyG]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

It's wild to me that so many people who are passionate about movies seem to be fighting this format at every opportunity. Sigh.

What an absolute moron. He has no idea whatsoever to be making such ignorant and outright false assertions. And to think that he's an "insider".

While I have seen some Blu-rays that have obviously been culled from dated masters (and I am not the most discerning videophile either but I can see the difference), I don't think that I have ever been dissatisfied with the A/V quality of any of the Blu-rays that I have ever bought, even the upscaled from SD stuff (though I would be reluctant to "upgrade" to an upscaled Blu-ray, except in very rare cases).

Plus, the overwhelming majority of films are butchered on DVD anyway due to the inherent limitations of the format (interlaced, no 24fps support etc.). I have bought many a DVD over the years where a NTSC master has obviously been lazily re-encoded to PAL (resulting in hideous ghosting artefacts and/or stuttering). On the flipside, while most U.S. TV shows on DVD are PAL encoded, we at least get them in higher resolution (576i as opposed to 480i), at the expense of slight speed-up. The early seasons of King of the Hill look great on DVD, all things considered, though I would kill for a HD/4K rescan (I'm not clear on when the show transitioned to digital, but the early seasons were definitely "shot on film", so to speak, though I'm unclear if they were finished on film as well).

I love the warmth of well-resolved grain in rescans of traditional animation, and I don't mind the odd speck of dust either, though I understand that these imperfections may bother perfectionists. It's a tremendous shame that the classic episodes of The Simpsons hadn't been properly remastered and they were instead upscaled, DNRed to hell, and cropped to add insult to injury. FOX couldn't help themselves but to destroy the best years of the show either! (as if the last 20 seasons of garbage wasn't bad enough!)

I strongly believe that if the classic episodes of The Simpsons had been completely remade in digital (whilst retaining the original soundtrack) that they wouldn't be anywhere near as funny as the warmth and roughness of the relatively low-budget animation was part of the show's trademark charm (and often made gags even funnier than they would have been otherwise). I can't stand the new wave of hideously cheap-looking digital animation that looks like it could have been thrown together in Flash. Children of today don't know what they're missing out on.

[Scott in UK]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

With the additional resolution you get more grain but it’s also more refined. It’s up to you. Do you want an accurate transfer or do you want a sharpened transfer with all kinds of filtering and noise reduction?

Someone can correct me if im wrong, but surely your comment only applies to a fresh master originally scanned at 4k, because if some 4k's come from upscaled Blu-Rays, and that Blu-Ray had sharpness, filtering & noise reduction on it, then those things would still be there wouldn't they?

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

If anything, you should be asking this of NEW films.

Again i dunno if iv misunderstood, but why should he be asking this about new films, if he specifically wanted to know about old films?

[birdztudio]

specifically old movies, especially one with negative films would benefits a lot from new scanning (details, finer grains)... but i used to mention many times the HDR and WCG maybe not with what directors or DOP had in mind at the times since they don't exist but that's other things...

watched It's a Wonderful Life the other day and it was beautiful...