Paramount is a crumbling studio at the moment.

[sandman slim]

Originally Posted by The Great Escape

Not just Paramount but they all rely on too many sequels, remakes, and reboots etc. you don't always have to spend $150 to $200 million to make $$$

As an example look at all the horror movies in recent years most seem to be under 25 million budgets and make a nice return. Yes it is always front loaded in week 1 and it's not high art but they seem to make $$$ and would be a way to right the ship a little.

The problem is that Hollywood is full of Type-A, "alpha male" personalities. To them, those "little films" are like bunts or singles, and everybody just wants to hit the home run.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by L.J.

Mission Impossible will bring in good money. After part 4 TF 5 was going to do nothing but fall off.

The transformers films have been losing popularity in most places for three entries now. The big thing that was hiding that was the Chinese box office boom, and the Chinese audience went crazy for it. Though even they saw around a 33% drop from the 4th to 5th film.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

The transformers films have been losing popularity in most places for three entries now. The big thing that was hiding that was the Chinese box office boom, and the Chinese audience went crazy for it. Though even they saw around a 33% drop from the 4th to 5th film.

3 and 4 grossed over $1B, 4 being a slight step down from 3. People generally like those first three (or at least 1 and 3), and goodwill from those got people to give the 4th a chance. But that movie couldn't create enough goodwill to get people to see Last Knight. I'm looking forward to Bumblebee cuz I hope they use it as a way to course-correct the franchise, because these Wahlberg ones have been a significant step down from the Shia LaBeouf Transformers Original Trilogy (trademark pending lol).

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

3 and 4 grossed over $1B, 4 being a slight step down from 3. People generally like those first three (or at least 1 and 3), and goodwill from those got people to give the 4th a chance. But that movie couldn't create enough goodwill to get people to see Last Knight. I'm looking forward to Bumblebee cuz I hope they use it as a way to course-correct the franchise, because these Wahlberg ones have been a significant step down from the Shia LaBeouf Transformers Original Trilogy (trademark pending lol).

Minus the Chinese box office and you will see what I mean by dwindling interest elsewhere.

[L.J.]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

3 and 4 grossed over $1B, 4 being a slight step down from 3. People generally like those first three (or at least 1 and 3), and goodwill from those got people to give the 4th a chance. But that movie couldn't create enough goodwill to get people to see Last Knight. I'm looking forward to Bumblebee cuz I hope they use it as a way to course-correct the franchise, because these Wahlberg ones have been a significant step down from the Shia LaBeouf Transformers Original Trilogy (trademark pending lol).

Agree with you there. TF 4 and the trailers for 5 were the reason din't go to theater for 5.

Think some of the remakes that are done could be titled something else. Some of the remakes today barely resemble the original. Use some plot points from an original but change it enough and rename it. After all are there any original story line basis left.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by L.J.

Agree with you there. TF 4 and the trailers for 5 were the reason din't go to theater for 5.

Think some of the remakes that are done could be titled something else. Some of the remakes today barely resemble the original. Use some plot points from an original but change it enough and rename it. After all are there any original story line basis left.

Yeah but the whole point of remakes is to cash in on the IP. Few remakes are actually good enough to jusify their existence; most are meh or downright awful.

[Batmon77]

Show me the numbers.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Show me the numbers.

Source:Box Office Mojo

Studio — Market Share % — Domestic Gross MM — Overall Movie Releases — 2017-only Movies

2012:

1. Sony / Columbia — 16.1% — $1,792.2 — 25 — 19
2. Warner Bros. — 14.9% — $1,665.4 — 36 — 24
3. Buena Vista — 13.9% — $1,551.4 — 18 — 13
4. Universal — 11.9% — $1,323.9 — 17 — 16
5. Lionsgate — 11.1% — $1,239.1 — 22 — 22
6. 20th Century Fox — 9.2% — $1,025.4 — 19 — 15
7. Paramount — 8.2% — $914.4 — 21 — 14

2013:

1. Warner Bros. — 16.2% — $1,863.8 35 — 26
2. Buena Vista — 14.9% — $1,711.0 — 17 — 10
3. Universal — 12.4% — $1,433.3 — 19 — 16
4. Sony / Columbia — 9.9% — $1,144.6 — 20 — 15
5. Lionsgate — 9.3% — $1,069.5 — 26 — 21
6. 20th Century Fox — 9.2% — $1,064.2 — 19 — 14
7. Paramount — 8.4% — $966.9 — 16 — 10

2014:

1. 20th Century Fox — 16.5% — $1,790.5 — 22 — 17
2. Buena Vista — 14.9% — $1,617.5 — 17 — 13
3. Warner Bros. — 14.4% — $1,562.5 — 32 — 23
4. Sony / Columbia — 11.6% — $1,261.5 — 22 — 19
5. Universal — 10.3% — $1,115.3 — 18 — 14
6. Paramount — 9.7% — $1,052.9 — 18 — 14

2015:

1. Universal — 21.3% — $2,444.9 — 23 — 21
2. Buena Vista — 19.8% — $2,280.2 — 15 — 11
3. Warner Bros. — 13.9% — $1,604.0 — 39 — 27
4. 20th Century Fox — 11.3% — $1,302.9 — 24 — 17
5. Sony / Columbia — 8.4% — $966.3 — 20 — 16
6. Paramount — 5.9% — $674.7 — 16 — 12

2016:

1. Buena Vista. — 26.3% — $3,000.9 — 16 — 13
2. Warner Bros. — 16.7% — $1,902.2 — 35 — 23
3. 20th Century Fox — 12.9% — $1,468.9 —22 — 16
4. Universal — 12.4% — $1,408.0 — 20 — 17
5. Sony / Columbia — 8% — $911.5 — 27 — 22
6. Paramount — 7.7% — $876.8 —18 — 15

2017:

1. Warner Bros. — 19.6% — $1,607.0 — 27 — 14
2. Buena Vista — 17.1% — $1,401.7 —9 — 5
3. Universal — 16.5% — $1,355.0 —12 — 10
4. 20th Century Fox — 12.9% — $1,056.4 —14 — 9
5. Sony / Columbia — 9.7% — $794.7 — 21 — 18
6. Lionsgate — 7.9% — $649.7 — 17 — 14
7. Paramount — 5% — $407.4 —14 — 8

Even when they were last compared to the major studios and Lionsgate, they still did good business, regardless of making a billion or not. Which is why this year has been brutal for them.

[Leslie Dame]

To be fair, you should have included the rest of the 2010s as well. No doubt 2017 wasn't the best year for Paramount but I'm sure they will get back on their feet in some time.

2010:

1 Warner Bros. 18.0% $1,923.9 36 27
2 Paramount 16.0% $1,713.8 18 14
3 20th Century Fox 13.9% $1,482.2 20 17
4 Buena Vista 13.6% $1,456.4 17 14
5 Sony / Columbia 12.0% $1,282.9 23 18

2011:

1 Paramount 19.2% $1,957.1 21 15
2 Warner Bros. 17.9% $1,826.2 38 26
3 Sony / Columbia 12.5% $1,273.7 28 23
4 Buena Vista 12.2% $1,240.7 17 14
5 Universal 10.2% $1,040.6 17 15

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by Poya

Source:Box Office Mojo

Studio — Market Share % — Domestic Gross MM — Overall Movie Releases — 2017-only Movies

2012:

1. Sony / Columbia — 16.1% — $1,792.2 — 25 — 19
2. Warner Bros. — 14.9% — $1,665.4 — 36 — 24
3. Buena Vista — 13.9% — $1,551.4 — 18 — 13
4. Universal — 11.9% — $1,323.9 — 17 — 16
5. Lionsgate — 11.1% — $1,239.1 — 22 — 22
6. 20th Century Fox — 9.2% — $1,025.4 — 19 — 15
7. Paramount — 8.2% — $914.4 — 21 — 14

2013:

1. Warner Bros. — 16.2% — $1,863.8 35 — 26
2. Buena Vista — 14.9% — $1,711.0 — 17 — 10
3. Universal — 12.4% — $1,433.3 — 19 — 16
4. Sony / Columbia — 9.9% — $1,144.6 — 20 — 15
5. Lionsgate — 9.3% — $1,069.5 — 26 — 21
6. 20th Century Fox — 9.2% — $1,064.2 — 19 — 14
7. Paramount — 8.4% — $966.9 — 16 — 10

2014:

1. 20th Century Fox — 16.5% — $1,790.5 — 22 — 17
2. Buena Vista — 14.9% — $1,617.5 — 17 — 13
3. Warner Bros. — 14.4% — $1,562.5 — 32 — 23
4. Sony / Columbia — 11.6% — $1,261.5 — 22 — 19
5. Universal — 10.3% — $1,115.3 — 18 — 14
6. Paramount — 9.7% — $1,052.9 — 18 — 14

2015:

1. Universal — 21.3% — $2,444.9 — 23 — 21
2. Buena Vista — 19.8% — $2,280.2 — 15 — 11
3. Warner Bros. — 13.9% — $1,604.0 — 39 — 27
4. 20th Century Fox — 11.3% — $1,302.9 — 24 — 17
5. Sony / Columbia — 8.4% — $966.3 — 20 — 16
6. Paramount — 5.9% — $674.7 — 16 — 12

2016:

1. Buena Vista. — 26.3% — $3,000.9 — 16 — 13
2. Warner Bros. — 16.7% — $1,902.2 — 35 — 23
3. 20th Century Fox — 12.9% — $1,468.9 —22 — 16
4. Universal — 12.4% — $1,408.0 — 20 — 17
5. Sony / Columbia — 8% — $911.5 — 27 — 22
6. Paramount — 7.7% — $876.8 —18 — 15

2017:

1. Warner Bros. — 19.6% — $1,607.0 — 27 — 14
2. Buena Vista — 17.1% — $1,401.7 —9 — 5
3. Universal — 16.5% — $1,355.0 —12 — 10
4. 20th Century Fox — 12.9% — $1,056.4 —14 — 9
5. Sony / Columbia — 9.7% — $794.7 — 21 — 18
6. Lionsgate — 7.9% — $649.7 — 17 — 14
7. Paramount — 5% — $407.4 —14 — 8

Even when they were last compared to the major studios and Lionsgate, they still did good business, regardless of making a billion or not. Which is why this year has been brutal for them.

[Gizz]

You also have to remember that they lost some high profile Franchises to Disney. They lost The Marvel films when Disney bought Marvel and then they lost The Indiana Jones series to Disney again when they bought Lucasfilm so really the only franchises they have left are The Transformers films, The Star Trek films and Mission Impossible.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by Gizz

You also have to remember that they lost some high profile Franchises to Disney. They lost The Marvel films when Disney bought Marvel and then they lost The Indiana Jones series to Disney again when they bought Lucasfilm so really the only franchises they have left are The Transformers films, The Star Trek films and Mission Impossible.

They have all kinds of unmined potential,

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[Poya]

Originally Posted by Leslie Dame

To be fair, you should have included the rest of the 2010s as well. No doubt 2017 wasn't the best year for Paramount but I'm sure they will get back on their feet in some time.

2010:

1 Warner Bros. 18.0% $1,923.9 36 27
2 Paramount 16.0% $1,713.8 18 14
3 20th Century Fox 13.9% $1,482.2 20 17
4 Buena Vista 13.6% $1,456.4 17 14
5 Sony / Columbia 12.0% $1,282.9 23 18

2011:

1 Paramount 19.2% $1,957.1 21 15
2 Warner Bros. 17.9% $1,826.2 38 26
3 Sony / Columbia 12.5% $1,273.7 28 23
4 Buena Vista 12.2% $1,240.7 17 14
5 Universal 10.2% $1,040.6 17 15

I left them out for a reason. I was talking about from 2012 and onwards. 2011 was the last year they were successful. As were the years before it.

Originally Posted by Gizz

You also have to remember that they lost some high profile Franchises to Disney. They lost The Marvel films when Disney bought Marvel and then they lost The Indiana Jones series to Disney again when they bought Lucasfilm so really the only franchises they have left are The Transformers films, The Star Trek films and Mission Impossible.

But Paramount is still gonna get money from the new Indy films, so it’s not a complete loss, to be fair.

[Chaotic]

MI is their only franchise that is still making a lot of money. ST and Transformers have dropped off a lot.

[Vilya]

If they're crumbling, let 'em crumble. Nature, and capitalism, abhor a vacuum. Someone will sweep up the crumbs and carry on.

[dakkuri]

I actually think they have been taking more risks as of late. Silence and mother! are not money makers. Either they are giving directors money and saying "make something", or from a money making point of view, they don't know what to do.

An obvious direction to go is to make horror films. They're cheap and usually always make their money back.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by dakkuri

I actually think they have been taking more risks as of late. Silence and mother! are not money makers. Either they are giving directors money and saying "make something", or from a money making point of view, they don't know what to do.

That’s probably the only positive I’ll give to the studio. Then again, WB has been doing the same for years and they’re doing much better.