Loving Vincent (2017)

[scarecroe]

Thanks for the breakdown.

Originally Posted by DaBargainHunta

this is making me want to cancel everything outright and wait for a price drop.

Yeah, me too. I throw the O sleeves out and I couldn't care less about postcards. I pre-ordered the special edition to lock in whatever low price it goes to, but I may as well just get the standard release.

[DaBargainHunta]

Originally Posted by scarecroe

Thanks for the breakdown.



Yeah, me too. I throw the O sleeves out and I couldn't care less about postcards. I pre-ordered the special edition to lock in whatever low price it goes to, but I may as well just get the standard release.

What the hell is an o-card anyway?

[critterdvd]

Originally Posted by DaBargainHunta

What the hell is an o-card anyway?

I believe that o-cards in Europe and Slipcovers in the US are the same thing, however I may be off in my assumption...

[LordoftheRings]

• http://lovingvincent.com/

• https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/m...rrer=google_kp
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This one deserves 4K:

[DaBargainHunta]

The SE has been delayed until February 20th. The regular edition is still being released on Jan. 14th. Very strange.

[LordoftheRings]

Better they take the time to transfer the very best 4K presentation.

[DaBargainHunta]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Better they take the time to transfer the very best 4K presentation.

The SE isn't 4K.

4K isn't even being released in the U.S. (yet?) for some unknown reason.

My guess is the 4K will come to the U.S., but later. They're staggering each release - God knows why, because it's a terrible strategy.

I'm ready to just cancel my preorders and wait for this to hit the bin.

[LordoftheRings]

I know that the 4K is not the SE, but it is to me, even from overseas.

[f451]

I'll wait for a domestic 4K/BD combo -- the way it was meant to be in the first place. Geez. Great film. Why the half hearted release?

[Questjonmark]

From what is that photo of Herr Walbrook...from?

[sblspawn]

Does anyone know if the blu ray has subtitles in Spanish Or English?

[raybestos]

The Blu-ray is not to be recommended based on its exceedingly low video bitrate of ~13-14 mbps. It is barely a 12 Gig file, and the release has been crammed onto a BD25. This does the film a great injustice, especially so that it is high entropy information and need a high bitrate to really shine.

I'm waiting for the UHD release *for sure*.

[raybestos]

Disc specs:

DISC INFO:


Disc Title: Loving_Vincent
Disc Size: 18,520,497,854 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes

PLAYLIST REPORT:


Name: 01006.MPLS
Length: 1:34:43.260 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 12,873,388,032 bytes
Total Bitrate: 18.12 Mbps


VIDEO:


Codec Bitrate Description
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MPEG-4 AVC Video 13491 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1


AUDIO:


Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio Undetermined 3577 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3577 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1152 kbps / 24-bit)
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Steaming pile of doodoo.

We deserve better. The beauty of the film deserves better. No thanks to this exceedingly wasteful of available space, bit-starved encode job.

[DaBargainHunta]

Originally Posted by raybestos

Steaming pile of doodoo.

We deserve better. The beauty of the film deserves better. No thanks to this exceedingly wasteful of available space, bit-starved encode job.

Mine came in the mail today. I haven't opened it yet.

How does it look in motion?

Does anyone know if the SE will have a better disc? I doubt it, because that would be a really weird release strategy, but who knows because releasing an SE two weeks/one month later is weird enough in itself...

[gdenardo]

I watched this last night and I did not notice the low bitrate to be a problem. Of course I'm not a professional and I did not blow up the picture, zoom in on screen shots or watch the film in slow motion looking for errors either.

However I will say that it is inaccurate to state the film has an aspect ratio of 16:9. It was theatrically screened at 1.33 : 1 and comes 4:3 on the disc.

[DaBargainHunta]

Originally Posted by gdenardo

I watched this last night and I did not notice the low bitrate to be a problem. Of course I'm not a professional and I did not blow up the picture, zoom in on screen shots or watch the film in slow motion looking for errors either.

However I will say that it is inaccurate to state the film has an aspect ratio of 16:9. It was theatrically screened at 1.33 : 1 and comes 4:3 on the disc.

I wonder why they chose a 1:33/4:3 aspect ratio. Seems like a strange decision. Won't take away from my enjoyment of the film though (assuming I like it - this is a blind buy).

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by DaBargainHunta

I wonder why they chose a 1:33/4:3 aspect ratio. Seems like a strange decision. Won't take away from my enjoyment of the film though (assuming I like it - this is a blind buy).

"You can see that the storyboard panel is wider than Van Gogh’s original painting. Originally we were intending to make the film in the standard modern aspect ratio 16:9, but in the end we decided to use a 1.33:1 ratio for Loving Vincent, also known as Academy. Even though Vincent often painted his paintings very quickly, a lot of thought over weeks, often months and sometimes even years, had gone into the subject matter and the framing, so we felt that to be respectful to his artistic and intellectual work we should try to stay as close to his composition as possible."

https://lovingvincentmovie.tumblr.com/page/4

[hazelwu]

Originally Posted by gdenardo

I watched this last night and I did not notice the low bitrate to be a problem. Of course I'm not a professional and I did not blow up the picture, zoom in on screen shots or watch the film in slow motion looking for errors either.

However I will say that it is inaccurate to state the film has an aspect ratio of 16:9. It was theatrically screened at 1.33 : 1 and comes 4:3 on the disc.

A relatively low bit-rate may be okay for this film as there are a lot of static backgrounds that do not use much data.

[raybestos]

It's true that, being in 4:3 OAR, a lower than average bitrate may suffice, since the full 1920x1080 frame isn't displayed - more like 1440x1080 are the usable pixels displayed, windowboxed to 16:9, of course.

But, we have an average VBR of 13 mbps. More reasonable would have been 20-25 mbps, which certainly would have fit onto this BD25, with less wasted space. There can be no doubt that much was lost in the boneheaded, asinine decision to bitstarve the encode. Sharpness, grain, and all that high-density info is gone forever in this lousy encode. No good reason to argue the "adequacy" of the encode, when 8 to 9 extra Gigs are available on the disc and unutilized.

In short, somebody screwed up, in spite of what the apologists may say.

[Mr.F]

Well, this was a huge disappointment. The artistry on display is great, but I wish it was all in sefvice of a good film. We follow a blank slate of a character on a simple quest, then becomes about a conspiracy theory and is never about the artist himself. The best scene in the film is towards the end when we get to the scene with the doctor and we finally get into what made Van Gogh tick. Everything else is just poorly-written dialogue told mostly in medium close-up. It's poorly-paced which makes the already uninteresting story almost unbearable.Also, this shouldn't be called an animated film. It's just rotoscoping taken to the extreme.

Tl; dr: great paintings, bad filmmaking