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Old 06-06-2018, 08:37 AM   #21
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Side step, why hasn’t ‘Cheers’ ever been released on Blu, I know HD Masters exist, I remember watching them here in the UK.........5yrs ago
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are we sure this is being released on Blu-ray? My PR contacts at Universal have stated only the DVD is being released this week.
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Not labeled as such, but could the Blu be an Amazon exclusive?
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are we sure this is being released on Blu-ray? My PR contacts at Universal have stated only the DVD is being released this week.
If it's MOD, it is probably handled by another branch of Universal Home Entertainment. I have a Universal press site and none of the MOD titles have been listed on it, just like how WAC titles were never on the WB site I used to have access to. Ditto for Sony's MOD titles.
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That would make sense as my nbc uni reps have no record of it in their system. If it's mod this would be the first mod Blu-ray release by universal correct?
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are we sure this is being released on Blu-ray? My PR contacts at Universal have stated only the DVD is being released this week.
Best Buy shipped my copy a couple of days ago for delivery on Tuesday.

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That would make sense as my nbc uni reps have no record of it in their system. If it's mod this would be the first mod Blu-ray release by universal correct?
No, Universal have been doing pressed MOD catalog titles since December 2017, and they did their first TV series release last month (The Sinner).
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Best Buy shipped my copy a couple of days ago for delivery on Tuesday.



No, Universal have been doing pressed MOD catalog titles since December 2017, and they did their first TV series release last month (The Sinner).
oh reallllly? which ones? I haven't seen a MOD designation on any of them, which is why I'm curious. any way to differentiate?
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I ordered it from Amazon and they're saying they don't have a shipping date for it. I wonder if they haven't received copies.
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oh reallllly? which ones? I haven't seen a MOD designation on any of them, which is why I'm curious. any way to differentiate?
December 2017:



April 2018:



May 2018:



June 2018:



July 2018 (other than Casual Sex?, possibly the best lineup of movies ever released in the same month):



So far, I own every one of them released, and all discs are replicated BD-50s. They all have inkjet-printed covers, like WAC releases, but only crude pop-up menus (The Sinner has static episode/extra selection menus), as well as chapters every ten minutes exactly. Several extras have also been stretched to 16:9 (where applicable, many titles had no extras on DVD). All of the films come with optional English SDH subtitles, but the episodes of The Sinner do not.
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Currently says "ships in 1 to 3 months"...
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Currently says "ships in 1 to 3 months"...
Yeah my Amazon order is screwed. Should have gone with Best Buy
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Was in a Best Buy earlier, they had 3 copies... of the DVD.
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Was in a Best Buy earlier, they had 3 copies... of the DVD.
Yep. Same with Target. Amazon order still in limbo
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Yeah my Amazon order is screwed. Should have gone with Best Buy
I actually pestered Best Buy about this release for days, because the UPC came up in their system, but there was no pre-order. I ended up getting nowhere with about three different customer service departments (you have to wait for them to "activate" the listing once they are told they can sell the item, or something like that), but the upshot is both this and Junior arrived today. More American Graffiti is thus far the first of these I didn't buy, and I will let someone else find out if it's somehow superior to Universal's own international retail Blu-ray.

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Was in a Best Buy earlier, they had 3 copies... of the DVD.
None of the Universal MOD titles have been in stores, they're all online-only.

My copy arrived today, again, like The Sinner, there are no subtitles, but even more disappointingly, one of the episodes has only a 448 kbps Dolby Digital 5.1 track (Episode 11: "Staten Island Fairy"). I've placed a call and sent a message here to see if the disc can be re-authored and replaced, so I think we'll see just how highly Universal value this program, now.

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My copy arrived today, again, like The Sinner, there are no subtitles, but even more disappointingly, one of the episodes has only a 448 kbps Dolby Digital 5.1 track (Episode 11: "Staten Island Fairy"). I've placed a call and sent a message here to see if the disc can be re-authored and replaced, so I think we'll see just how highly Universal value this program, now.
So the rest have lossless audio? I did even expect that
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BDInfo scan:

First of all, for the benefit of people like me who obsess over this, I can confirm both discs are pressed.

Note: On Disc 2 of my copy, Episode 11 ("Staten Island Fairy") has only Dolby Digital 5.1 (448 kbps) audio. All other episodes have 24-bit DTS-HD MA 5.1 tracks. I have attempted to contact Universal to see if they will remedy the error, and I will update the thread if and when they respond to me.

Unlike the films presented in the MOD line thus far, this TV release does not have any subtitles. See also: The Sinner: Season One.

There is a static main menu on both discs, for selecting episodes. A "play all" option has been included.

All extras can be found on the second disc.

Disc 1 (Episodes 1-8) example:

Episode 1:

Code:
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00007.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:21:37 5,631,836,160   43,718,873,236  34.71   29.69   DTS-HD Master 5.1 3275Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Will and Grace_S1_D1
Disc Size:      43,718,873,236 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00007.MPLS
Length:                 0:21:37.963 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   5,631,836,160 bytes
Total Bitrate:          34.71 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        29692 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3275 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3275 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00011.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:21:37.963     5,631,836,160   34,712          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:10:00.599     29,805 kbps     41,086 kbps     00:06:54.622    32,100 kbps     00:02:42.829    30,946 kbps     00:02:53.631    155,381 bytes   813,119 bytes   00:07:51.554    
2               0:10:00.599     0:10:00.600     29,892 kbps     41,458 kbps     00:12:02.179    31,853 kbps     00:17:56.200    30,976 kbps     00:19:18.574    155,843 bytes   672,903 bytes   00:15:08.657    
3               0:20:01.200     0:01:36.763     27,745 kbps     41,430 kbps     00:21:32.207    31,836 kbps     00:21:09.643    30,835 kbps     00:21:08.433    144,774 bytes   768,177 bytes   00:20:30.312    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00011.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     1297.880                29,694                  4,817,357,698   26,199,398      
00011.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           1297.880                3,275                   531,363,680     3,089,571
Disc 2 (Episodes 9-16) example:

Episode 9:

Code:
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00003.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:21:07 4,973,875,200   43,479,315,174  31.40   26.44   DTS-HD Master 5.1 3352Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Will and Grace_S1_D2
Disc Size:      43,479,315,174 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00003.MPLS
Length:                 0:21:07.349 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   4,973,875,200 bytes
Total Bitrate:          31.40 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        26437 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3352 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3352 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00004.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:21:07.349     4,973,875,200   31,397          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:10:00.599     25,753 kbps     39,345 kbps     00:09:42.123    30,299 kbps     00:07:23.151    29,139 kbps     00:06:31.349    134,257 bytes   887,589 bytes   00:09:45.710    
2               0:10:00.599     0:10:00.600     27,833 kbps     40,647 kbps     00:14:06.679    30,666 kbps     00:19:07.771    29,230 kbps     00:17:26.170    145,111 bytes   890,273 bytes   00:17:26.462    
3               0:20:01.200     0:01:06.149     19,966 kbps     46,688 kbps     00:21:02.010    29,386 kbps     00:20:04.995    28,546 kbps     00:20:02.534    104,225 bytes   619,070 bytes   00:20:12.377    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00004.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     1267.266                26,439                  4,188,129,705   22,779,248      
00004.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           1267.266                3,352                   530,974,468     3,083,864
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Gag Reel

Code:
QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Will and Grace_S1_D2
Disc Size: 43,479,315,174 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
Playlist: 00011.MPLS
Size: 1,260,269,568 bytes
Length: 0:07:41.836
Total Bitrate: 21.83 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 20621 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Reuniting the Team

Code:
QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Will and Grace_S1_D2
Disc Size: 43,479,315,174 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
Playlist: 00012.MPLS
Size: 1,007,388,672 bytes
Length: 0:05:24.741
Total Bitrate: 24.82 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 23483 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Back to the Beginning

Code:
QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Will and Grace_S1_D2
Disc Size: 43,479,315,174 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
Playlist: 00013.MPLS
Size: 1,666,781,184 bytes
Length: 0:08:43.189
Total Bitrate: 25.49 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 24125 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Classic Comedy

Code:
QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Will and Grace_S1_D2
Disc Size: 43,479,315,174 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
Playlist: 00014.MPLS
Size: 806,590,464 bytes
Length: 0:05:03.928
Total Bitrate: 21.23 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 20047 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Episode with lossy audio (Disc 2, Episode 3 or Episode 11):

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Code:
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00001.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:21:27 5,046,085,632   43,479,315,174  31.35   29.52   DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Will and Grace_S1_D2
Disc Size:      43,479,315,174 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Length:                 0:21:27.494 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   5,046,085,632 bytes
Total Bitrate:          31.35 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        29518 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby Digital Audio             English         448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00001.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:21:27.494     5,046,085,632   31,354          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:10:00.599     29,756 kbps     40,803 kbps     00:03:18.072    31,901 kbps     00:07:07.051    31,077 kbps     00:03:18.072    155,124 bytes   658,129 bytes   00:06:23.299    
2               0:10:00.599     0:10:00.600     29,458 kbps     41,279 kbps     00:12:04.682    31,837 kbps     00:15:21.754    30,909 kbps     00:13:40.736    153,581 bytes   793,049 bytes   00:15:12.077    
3               0:20:01.200     0:01:26.294     28,280 kbps     39,421 kbps     00:21:22.114    31,860 kbps     00:21:09.142    30,582 kbps     00:21:04.137    147,510 bytes   702,282 bytes   00:21:22.197    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00001.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     1287.411                29,520                  4,750,558,083   25,836,206      
00001.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           1287.411                448                     72,097,536      402,330
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So the rest have lossless audio? I did even expect that
You should. Every Universal TV release since day one has lossless audio for feature episodes, and all of the MOD Blu-rays have had 24-bit DTS-HD MA 5.1 or 2.0 Stereo/Mono tracks, even though the back covers up until recently listed Dolby Digital audio. Ironically, both this release and Junior are the first Universal MOD Blu-rays to correctly indicate that they have DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 on the back cover, but now, even that is also a mistake when it comes to the Will and Grace release.
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You should. Every Universal TV release since day one has lossless audio for feature episodes, and all of the MOD Blu-rays have had 24-bit DTS-HD MA 5.1 or 2.0 Stereo/Mono tracks, even though the back covers up until recently listed Dolby Digital audio. Ironically, both this release and Junior are the first Universal MOD Blu-rays to correctly indicate that they have DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 on the back cover, but now, even that is also a mistake when it comes to the Will and Grace release.
It makes sense. It seems like no Will & Grace release would be complete without some massive **** up.
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Now says "ships in 24 hours", still full MSRP, 34.98. May just buy the damn DVD...
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