OLED motion resolution issues

[oddbox83]

Sorry, misread your post slightly.

Make sure motion smoothing and the like is turned off. That may help if any of that is going on.

[SuperFlyHighGuy]

That's ok, my wording wasn't very good.

Yeah I've been trying the different settings and looking online to see what they mean. The black levels are amazing on this tv, as good as my HD CRT, and the colors are very nice (that's what's going screwy on my old tv).

It's just anytime something moves, there's blur lol. I thought "motion blur" meant like a fast car zooming across the screen, not people's mouths blurring when they speak.

I told myself I'd give it a week before I return it. Going to go buy a UHD player tonight and hook that up since I can't watch blu-rays through my receiver on this tv (another major issue). If I do return this tv I'm just going to wait and save up for an OLED down the road, seems like most folks around here are really happy with theirs.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by SuperFlyHighGuy

That's ok, my wording wasn't very good.

Yeah I've been trying the different settings and looking online to see what they mean. The black levels are amazing on this tv, as good as my HD CRT, and the colors are very nice (that's what's going screwy on my old tv).

It's just anytime something moves, there's blur lol. I thought "motion blur" meant like a fast car zooming across the screen, not people's mouths blurring when they speak.

I told myself I'd give it a week before I return it. Going to go buy a UHD player tonight and hook that up since I can't watch blu-rays through my receiver on this tv (another major issue). If I do return this tv I'm just going to wait and save up for an OLED down the road, seems like most folks around here are really happy with theirs.

I'm not familiar with your specific TV model, but seeing blur with people's mouths seems like it's either an issue with it's processing (or lack thereof) or you have an insanely attentive eye.

[SuperFlyHighGuy]

Originally Posted by pbz06

I'm not familiar with your specific TV model, but seeing blur with people's mouths seems like it's either an issue with it's processing (or lack thereof) or you have an insanely attentive eye.

Probably some of both I've just been watching CRT tech for too long I think.

[oddbox83]

This might be useful https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vi...s-quantum-2019

Particularly this page if you want to have a play to see if you can improve it - https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vi...-2019/settings

[GenPion]

I just got the OLED65E6P and was jarred at first by the motion on the set. Default settings had enormous motion interpolation. Real Cinema mode for 24fps was also broken.

There is also a terrible feature called “pixel shift” that affects the picture quality in a horrible way. OLED owners should turn it off under panel settings.

With motion deblur set to 10 and dejudder at 0 it gives correct 24fps cadence with no soap opera effect. Normally I would NOT use such settings on other televisions but for OLED it was necessary. (Also, it seems some LG models have broken real cinema modes and others do not).

As someone who used plasma every day for about a decade or so it was jarring moving from that type of tv to LCD and then OLED. You have to really fine tune the settings. And it seems like the television manufacturers are somewhat incompetent at getting proper settings on tvs right out of the gate.

Long story short, with the proper settings one can see OLED is capable of motion that plasma fans will be pleased with. I spent a ridiculous amount of hours to get it right. I actually started to wonder if I was going crazy while calibrating my OLED65E6P. This is why I gladly welcome filmmaker mode. Motion interpolation is the worst.

[oddbox83]

Pixel Shift shouldn't be noticeable whatsoever. This needs to be on as it helps prevent burn-in. If you see untoward artefacts, something else must be causing them.

Real Cinema will be blanked out if you have Deblur and smoothing set to anything but off across the whole OLED line. I'm not familiar with the E6 so don't know anything about it's own unique quirks.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by GenPion

I just got the OLED65E6P and was jarred at first by the motion on the set. Default settings had enormous motion interpolation. Real Cinema mode for 24fps was also broken.

There is also a terrible feature called “pixel shift” that affects the picture quality in a horrible way. OLED owners should turn it off under panel settings.

With motion deblur set to 10 and dejudder at 0 it gives correct 24fps cadence with no soap opera effect. Normally I would NOT use such settings on other televisions but for OLED it was necessary. (Also, it seems some LG models have broken real cinema modes and others do not).

As someone who used plasma every day for about a decade or so it was jarring moving from that type of tv to LCD and then OLED. You have to really fine tune the settings. And it seems like the television manufacturers are somewhat incompetent at getting proper settings on tvs right out of the gate.

Long story short, with the proper settings one can see OLED is capable of motion that plasma fans will be pleased with. I spent a ridiculous amount of hours to get it right. I actually started to wonder if I was going crazy while calibrating my OLED65E6P. This is why I gladly welcome filmmaker mode. Motion interpolation is the worst.

TruMotion off and RC on produces correct 5:5 cadence on the E6 with 24hz material. When you use TM, even at 0,0 or 0,10, you lose correct 5:5 cadence and get 3:2 cadence. IOW you are forcing 24hz to play at 60hz and that will produce judder. Some people prefer 3:2 cadence, but it is not correct. The only correct setting is RC on and TM off. That is how I have motion setting set on my E6.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

TruMotion off and RC on produces correct 5:5 cadence on the E6 with 24hz material. When you use TM, even at 0,0 or 0,10, you lose correct 5:5 cadence and get 3:2 cadence. IOW you are forcing 24hz to play at 60hz and that will produce judder. Some people prefer 3:2 cadence, but it is not correct. The only correct setting is RC on and TM off. That is how I have motion setting set on my E6.

This is not entirely correct. TruMotion settings as described provide correct cadence. For the record, Real Cinema mode on this television produces the dreaded soap opera effect. I am not the only one to observe this. The only way to bypass it is to use TruMotion (which then disables RealCinema even if it shows “on” and is then grayed out). Deblur 10 is necessary for correct playback. Yes, there is some judder, but 24fps naturally has some judder. Better to get that than frame interpolation!

I actually found (amongst other things) a discussion on another forum in which someone emailed LG about it and LG responded to indicate that (unfortunately) their engineers prioritized an algorithm which caused soap opera effect on the OLED65E6P with RealCinema on. It was immediately noticeable to me.

Another thing to keep in mind is that with TruMotion off you only get 300 lines of motion resolution on the set. With deblur on 10 you get 600 lines of motion resolution and this is similar to plasma.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Pixel Shift shouldn't be noticeable whatsoever. This needs to be on as it helps prevent burn-in. If you see untoward artefacts, something else must be causing them.

Real Cinema will be blanked out if you have Deblur and smoothing set to anything but off across the whole OLED line. I'm not familiar with the E6 so don't know anything about it's own unique quirks.

Yet it is a cause of picture quality issues. I had the same reaction in turning it off as others on AVS Forums. I figured it might have something to do with burn in protection. As long as there aren’t many static images on the television it’s better to turn it off. At least on my model.

I’ve already decided to baby the set. I will not even play any video games on it. (Video games will be relegated to my living room). I want it to last as long as possible in case another similar 3D set isn’t produced anytime soon. Yet pixel shift is turned off. It inexplicably causes a negative side-effect for presentation quality.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by GenPion

This is not entirely correct. TruMotion settings as described provide correct cadence. For the record, Real Cinema mode on this television produces the dreaded soap opera effect. I am not the only one to observe this. The only way to bypass it is to use TruMotion (which then disables RealCinema even if it shows “on” and is then grayed out). Deblur 10 is necessary for correct playback. Yes, there is some judder, but 24fps naturally has some judder. Better to get that than frame interpolation!

I actually found (amongst other things) a discussion on another forum in which someone emailed LG about it and LG responded to indicate that (unfortunately) their engineers prioritized an algorithm which caused soap opera effect on the OLED65E6P with RealCinema on. It was immediately noticeable to me.

Another thing to keep in mind is that with TruMotion off you only get 300 lines of motion resolution on the set. With deblur on 10 you get 600 lines of motion resolution and this is similar to plasma.

There is no SOE with RC on, on an E6. You get SOE if you set Dejudder higher than 0. It is quite obvious when using Dejudder. I see absolutely no SOE with RC on and TM off. There has been countless discussion over on AVS, and AVF that DeBlur has absolutely no effect on motion with 24hz material. With 24hz material, Dejudder affects motion, while deBlur does not. With 60hz material, Dejudder has no effect while Deblur does. Dejudder above 0 causes artifacts and SOE with 24hz material. Deblur above 0 with 60hz material causes artifacts. TM at 0,10 is the same as TM set at 0,0 for 24hz material.

The issue with picture settings all of them except for isf Dark room, have TM set to smooth or clear OOTB. That causes the SOE. When you turn on TM, RC becomes greyed out, which means it is turned off. And switching to Smooth, clear, or USER will cause SOE.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by GenPion

Yet it is a cause of picture quality issues.

It really shouldn't be though. It does literally what it says on the tin, shifts the pixels slightly occasionally. It shouldn't be doing anything noticeable unless you stare at still images. Can you describe what you are seeing with it to help me understand?

Do you have "Just Scan" turned on?

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

There is no SOE with RC on, on an E6. You get SOE if you set Dejudder higher than 0. It is quite obvious when using Dejudder. I see absolutely no SOE with RC on and TM off. There has been countless discussion over on AVS, and AVF that DeBlur has absolutely no effect on motion with 24hz material. With 24hz material, Dejudder affects motion, while deBlur does not. With 60hz material, Dejudder has no effect while Deblur does. Dejudder above 0 causes artifacts and SOE with 24hz material. Deblur above 0 with 60hz material causes artifacts. TM at 0,10 is the same as TM set at 0,0 for 24hz material.

The issue with picture settings all of them except for isf Dark room, have TM set to smooth or clear OOTB. That causes the SOE. When you turn on TM, RC becomes greyed out, which means it is turned off. And switching to Smooth, clear, or USER will cause SOE.

That was not my experience at all but I do understand that TruMotion disables RealCinema. That’s what I wanted (as RealCinema wasn’t working correctly). Everything looked too hyper realistic with it on.

I know dejudder causes soap opera effect. That’s why I have it set to zero as a value. Deblur enhances the picture quality at 10. I also use ISF Dark Room.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

It really shouldn't be though. It does literally what it says on the tin, shifts the pixels slightly occasionally. It shouldn't be doing anything noticeable unless you stare at still images. Can you describe what you are seeing with it to help me understand?

Do you have "Just Scan" turned on?

Yes, Just Scan is turned on. Yes, I feel pixel shift lowers picture quality.

[revgen]

I agree with wxman2003. My OLED65E6P set has no soap opera effect with real cinema set to on. I have seen no discernible difference in picture quality with ScreenShift turned off or on. I'm using firmware 05.30.60.

[GenPion]

Regardless, that was the experience I was having. Maybe only some of the televisions manufactured had this issue with RealCinema on. When researching my issue, I did find others had the same problem.

It’s a moot point anyway because I now have good settings on my display.

[adamjankowski]

I have a Sony A8 OLED and there is sometimes very noticeable motion blur, particularly on streaming content. Not near as much on blu-ray.

However, what is very frustrating is the way credits or text appearing on screen will become pixelated if there is movement behind the text. I've never had a TV where this was the case and is maddening. This occurs on streaming and blu-ray.

[Akoutroubas]

Originally Posted by GenPion

Regardless, that was the experience I was having. Maybe only some of the televisions manufactured had this issue with RealCinema on. When researching my issue, I did find others had the same problem.

It’s a moot point anyway because I now have good settings on my display.

What picture mode do you use when playing BD?

[GenPion]

ISF Professional Dark Room. For cinema. It works like a treat.

[shane01]

Originally Posted by GenPion

Regardless, that was the experience I was having. Maybe only some of the televisions manufactured had this issue with RealCinema on. When researching my issue, I did find others had the same problem.

It’s a moot point anyway because I now have good settings on my display.

I really dislike the way RealCinema looks on my C8. I’ve tried to convince myself I’m not seeing a processed, soap opera effect-like image, but my brain doesn’t accept it. I just do not like Real Cinema turned on. It’s always enabled with Dolby Vision (except in Game mode), so can’t win ‘em all.