The bias against Blu-ray has turned into bias against HDM...

[The Don]

Originally Posted by eat_me_cool

Downloads will help phase out SD-DVD, people will watch poor quality downloads as a rental and buy Blu-ray to keep.

This is what a Panasonic or Pioneer was saying today, can't find the link

this response is spot on...

DVD's will be replaced by downloads...

Blu-ray has a strong future as a whole and isn't going anywhere...

DVD is going to die at some point....the capacity is soon becoming laughable...

[mikesoba]

Articles concerning the Blu-Ray victory all seem to include the caveat that it may be a hollow victory with the advent of downloads. As many of us already know, Netflix together with LG is coming out with a dedicated player for downloaded VOD with content provided by Netflix. DirecTV is in beta with Internet download of content to the new generation HD receivers.

In each case, we can be assured that the content will be limited in time or plays. For many, this will be the drawback, for others, it will be fine. Also, for others the drawback will be yet another electronic device, access to the Internet, unwillingness to deal with the complexity of it all (severely limiting its base -- unless cable installers install this device too, and they won't, since it is in competition with their own product), and more monthly costs. I don't see it finding any meaningful acceptance in the near future.

[Blu-Generation]

Of all article that I've read so far about digital downloads, they mention fast internet speed and so forth. But what they seem to forget to mention is Hard drive space.

Unless they start giving out cheap TBs, this deal won't work.
Another thing they forgot to mention, things stored on drive can crash!

Again, problems after problems.

How about wanting to bring movies to a friend house?
Another problem.

[Dalese]

From yet another mouthpiece of Microsoft preaching the gospel of Bill...

Downloads cannot at this time nor do I see it as something that will take the place of disc sales in the near future.

The only way (IMO) the studios will use downloads is as another way to milk as much revenue out of a movie as possible - downlads working with conjunction of the others currently used (box office receipts, video on demand/pay per view, premium movie channel broadcast, public broadcast, merchandise sales/rights, and disc sales).

Instead of offering their titles in top tier 1080p format for downloads, they will (again IMO) probably release them in an inferior resolution (720 or even less) with some type of copy protection already embedded. Think 'watching on your compter's monitor or mp3 player instead of your HDTV'. (One of the features of Blu-ray reported from CES was the making of managed copies of movies for your PSP.)

That way you can watch you movie on your smaller pc or laptop monitors but if you want a "really good copy" that uses the full potential of your HD television, you will need to go out and buy yourself a copy on Blu-ray disc. The consumer double-dips (or triple-dips or more) for the studios' property, making them more money.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

Of all article that I've read so far about digital downloads, they mention fast internet speed and so forth. But what they seem to forget to mention is Hard drive space.

Unless they start giving out cheap TBs, this deal won't work.
Another thing they forgot to mention, things stored on drive can crash!

Again, problems after problems.

How about wanting to bring movies to a friend house?
Another problem.

and hacking...this is MS afterall..

I've always thought MS was behind hacking their own products to push all the anti-virus crap and all of that....aside from all the people who hate them...

and they'll allow some form of slingbox for you to watch movies at a friends house...

there are so many holes within this...and more problems for us which means more money for them....

[katharsis]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Like anybody cares what MSN thinks. Everyone knows they're a mouth piece for Microcrap.

+1 !!!

[rodgerse]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

Of all article that I've read so far about digital downloads, they mention fast internet speed and so forth. But what they seem to forget to mention is Hard drive space.

Unless they start giving out cheap TBs, this deal won't work.
Another thing they forgot to mention, things stored on drive can crash!

Again, problems after problems.

How about wanting to bring movies to a friend house?
Another problem.

unless you can tell me the price-per-megabyte calculation or something for a 100+ gb hard drive, compared to 50-max cp BL disc, don't know about your Hd argument.

discs are still nessesary for portablity and back-up, just not the best way to get and revieve stuff in the first place.

and discs can scratch, break, and deteriorate and be lost alot faster than a HD.

[common_sense]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

Of all article that I've read so far about digital downloads, they mention fast internet speed and so forth. But what they seem to forget to mention is Hard drive space.

Unless they start giving out cheap TBs, this deal won't work.
Another thing they forgot to mention, things stored on drive can crash!

Again, problems after problems.

How about wanting to bring movies to a friend house?
Another problem.

I agree with you 100%. Also,

I like to ask those idiots pushing download how do you store a 50gb digital movie in a 20gb xbox or 40gb ps3? Considering the the average family has over fifty movies, can you store all of that in the hard drive?

Sorry download failed. Doh!

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by oldmike

rember what the MS in MSN stands for and see this for what it is FUD

+1

[The Don]

Originally Posted by rodgerse

unless you can tell me the price-per-megabyte calculation or something for a 100+ gb hard drive, compared to 50-max cp BL disc, don't know about your Hd argument.

discs are still nessesary for portablity and back-up, just not the best way to get and revieve stuff in the first place.

and discs can scratch, break, and deteriorate and be lost alot faster than a HD.

hello Amir..I mean rodgerse...

BD's are scratch resistant...

are you even from this site?...

and a HD probably has a much shorter shelf life than a disc because...if it crashes you buy a new one for all kinds of money...

if a disc breaks...I can just drop another 30 bucks

[L or S of Perfect?]

Originally Posted by oldmike

rember what the MS in MSN stands for and see this for what it is FUD

lol....

that's the first thought that popped in my head.

[ehaser]

Sorry, but your ISP not MS is going to control this market. Just think about it. What's going to happen when you and all of your neighbors start downloading 50GB movies every night. Your ISP is either going to triple your $20-$30 internet bill every month or they're going to flat out stop giving you service.

[Blu-Generation]

Originally Posted by rodgerse

unless you can tell me the price-per-megabyte calculation or something for a 100+ gb hard drive, compared to 50-max cp BL disc, don't know about your Hd argument.

discs are still nessesary for portablity and back-up, just not the best way to get and revieve stuff in the first place.

and discs can scratch, break, and deteriorate and be lost alot faster than a HD.

How about you tell me the price you think it would be? For a couple TB drive.

Disc scratch, break, deteriorate?? Have you heard of the Blu-ray hard coated?
Aka scratch resistant. Or how about DVDs deteriorating? I still have all of my old DVDs from many many years ago. Have any deteriorate yet? No.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by L or S of Perfect?

lol....

that's the first thought that popped in my head.

the 1st thought in my head was

"wow...this should be good"..

[katharsis]

I wonder how much a line will cost per month when it supposedly lets you download about 25 - 30 GB in 4 minutes?

We pay $45 for Time Warner Cable and this is only 5Mbps down and 1Mbps up, plus they admit to traffic shaping around certain times!
So, according to this using a P2P client like BitTorrent which will allow for the fastest possible way to download (at least for the time being) it will take anywhere from 12-24 hours to download this...
Now how much would a line be that allows the 4 minute download?

[The Don]

Originally Posted by katharsis

I wonder how much a line will cost per month when it supposedly lets you download about 25 - 30 GB in 4 minutes?

We pay $45 for Time Warner Cable and this is only 5Mbps down and 1Mbps up, plus they admit to traffic shaping around certain times!
So, according to this using a P2P client like BitTorrent which will allow for the fastest possible way to download (at least for the time being) it will take anywhere from 12-24 hours to download this...
Now how much would a line be that allows the 4 minute download?

I'd expect the current prices to drop to around 20-25 bucks and the new lines would be about 60....unless they offer some sort of promotion..

[CAB]

This is something that Cisco Systems is pushing as well. If they can get close to the sound and video quality of my Blu-rays then I'll take a hard look. If it's more of the HD quality I'm seeing off with my current cable provider or off satellite, they can keep it. Blu's next battle will be showing consumers that all HD isn't created equal.

Edit: Isn't comcast the one that caps usage and has cut customers service w/o telling them what the cap is? I have Time Warner and I've PPV'd one movie and didn't have the stomach to finish it. I might as well have put in a DVD and upscaled.

[Neo65]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

How about you tell me the price you think it would be? For a couple TB drive.

Disc scratch, break, deteriorate?? Have you heard of the Blu-ray hard coated?
Aka scratch resistant. Or how about DVDs deteriorating? I still have all of my old DVDs from many many years ago. Have any deteriorate yet? No.

HDD : 1TB is roughly 250-300 now. 500GB is sweet spot as it is just above $100 each.

25GB BD-REs are still about $12-15. BD-Rs are 9.95-12. You have shop carefully and avoid overpaying. 50GB BD-REs are > $35 and can be as high as $50.

At some point they will be < $5, and eventually, < $1. The blanks will follow the DVD blank price decline. I paid about $20 for my first DVD-R blank. They're as low as 10c now in 100+ packs.

[katharsis]

I don't think $60.00 will do it. The traffic shaping is going on already because some people just download too much and take away speeds for others who just surf or whatnot. Then there are also all the gamers using up bandwidth. Unless they can come up with a completely new solution or bring fiber into all homes in 2008 this won't be possible. Otherwise the ISPs will lose money every month.
Imagine people downloading 10 - 20 movies a month.

That's $60 for the line
$10 per movie
2 new 500GB HDD

$660 a month for 20 movies! I'd rather stick with blu thank you very much!

[Blu-Generation]

Originally Posted by rodgerse

Yes, but with its capacity one Hd is like a bunch of discs, so breaking and replacing a dozen $30 or so dics would be no different.

but like I said anyways, discs are fine as backups and portability, just not worth purchasing.

One hard drive crash, hundreds of movie gone.

One disc break, why would I go break the other 50?

The point is, with drive, one effects all.

With disc, one doesn't ruin the rest.