Benioff and Weiss Dismissed By HBO

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Well, the ink isn't dried on that contract just yet and I'm sure media companies like Netflix have clauses written into the contract that allow them to terminate. But, it's a matter of wait and see. I think Netflix is going to find out fast just how much of a hack these two are. Wait until they turn in their first script.

Ha ha ha. Well, as they say, that’s entertainment!

[Farerb]

To be honest the bad writing was foreshadowed since season 1:

https://youtu.be/9j5ieR91m_Q

[MosHighDef]

[MosHighDef]

[bferr1972]

Originally Posted by MosHighDef

This sums up Lost for me.

[Cremildo]

I bet roughly 100% of entertainment industry people would like to be in their shoes right now: successful, filthy rich, with a promising future at Disney and Netflix.

[BluProofie]

I get that people are still angry at them for a TV show(it’s been 3 months, move on) but they very clearly weren’t “dismissed” by HBO. They got a huge deal at Netflix.

[Shingster]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

GoT, the biggest serialization in history, by assigning directors as they write and produce the trilogy.

On what planet is Game of Thrones even remotely close to being the biggest serialization in history?

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by Shingster

On what planet is Game of Thrones even remotely close to being the biggest serialization in history?

What serialization has had a greater global impact, counting official numbers, pirated viewings, cultural awareness and influence on industry?

GoT was a global game changer that ushered in a new age of TV and streaming and drove a $90B, as in billion, acquisition of Time Warner.

To put it in perspective, Disney acquired Marvel for $4B, which of course turned out to be a steal.

And the serialization is not complete, with at least one new series, and potentially others, to follow.

[Shingster]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

What serialization has had a greater global impact, counting official numbers, pirated viewings, cultural awareness and influence on industry?

GoT was a global game changer that ushered in a new age of TV and streaming and drove a $90B, as in billion, acquisition of Time Warner.

To put it in perspective, Disney acquired Marvel for $4B, which of course turned out to be a steal.

And the serialization is not complete, with at least one new series, and potentially others, to follow.

Did Game of Thrones also cure terminal cancer patients who watched it, because I assume that's where you're going next in terms of pulling random hyperbolic achievements out of thin air and assigning them to the success of the show.

GoT has been a huge global phenomenon, but it's no more popular or "famous" worldwide than other global mega-hit shows like Friends that came before it, it has just happened to achieve it's great success in the internet era and that has spread its popularity like wildfire, but as a serialization, in history? Comics like Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and films like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars for a start.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by Shingster

Did Game of Thrones also cure terminal cancer patients who watched it, because I assume that's where you're going next in terms of pulling random hyperbolic achievements out of thin air and assigning them to the success of the show.

The simple fact is AT&T acquired TW for upwards of $90B, in large part for the HBO/GoT brand, how GoT has changed the nature of viewership on a global scale, and how that change can drive subscriber growth.

That's not my opinion, that's the opinion of AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson in his justification of the TW acquisition, so if you want to throw words around such as 'hyperbolic,' let me suggest you take it up with him.

Originally Posted by Shingster

GoT has been a huge global phenomenon, but it's no more popular or "famous" worldwide than other global mega-hit shows like Friends that came before it, it has just happened to achieve it's great success in the internet era and that has spread its popularity like wildfire, but as a serialization, in history? Comics like Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and films like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars for a start.

It's not a question of 'popularity,' it's a question of the type of serialization over the course of years that can drive consumer behavior.

Sure, there are plenty of popular sitcoms and comic book properties, but none, on their own, have created the perception of what a global, multi-year, serialization can represent to the degree of GoT.

[Shingster]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

The simple fact is AT&T acquired TW for upwards of $90B, in large part for the HBO/GoT brand, how GoT has changed the nature of viewership on a global scale, and how that change can drive subscriber growth.

That's not my opinion, that's the opinion of AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson in his justification of the TW acquisition, so if you want to throw words around such as 'hyperbolic,' let me suggest you take it up with him.

Well if that was the case then you're gonna find it incredibly easy to provide a link to the exact Stephenson quote that states GoT was literally the primary reason for their $85mill+ takeover of TW, but I suspect you're just twisting whatever he actually said to fit your rather INSANE argument.

I love how you refer to HBO and GoT as the same entity BTW, as if the network doesn't really have anything to offer outside of that one show. Nah, HBO have produced absolutely **** all of note outside of that there fantasy show about dragons, no-sir-ee! And that's ignoring the fact that in the following quote you essentially dismiss every single thing in the Time Warner media umbrella that falls outside of HBO:

Originally Posted by cgpublic

The fact is CEO Randall Stephenson stated AT&T acquired TW for $90B to secure HBO/GoT with the objective to drive subscriber growth. His words, not mine.

Holy smokes does this forum need a special "crazy" smiley just so we can respond to that!

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Benioff, Weiss and GoT? $90 Billion. Your opinion? $0

And your opinion also means absolutely nothing until you post the quote and prove what you're saying is nothing more than GoT fanboy waffle on the internetz. Just sayin!

Oh and before people accuse me of hating on GoT or Benioff/Weiss I just wanna state that I'm a big fan of the show and think they are sitting verrry pretty right now with that Netflix deal and agree wholeheartedly with the people laughing at the very reason for this thread's existence. But to suggest that anyone out there would purchase an immense media conglomerate like Time Warner for $85mill for the sole or simply primary purpose of acquiring Game of Thrones, is just complete and utter madness. I'm sure GoT was valued at a good chunk of that $85billion, but anything above like a crazy high $20billion estimation of its worth is probably pushing it.

[kemcha]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

What serialization has had a greater global impact, counting official numbers, pirated viewings, cultural awareness and influence on industry?

GoT was a global game changer that ushered in a new age of TV and streaming and drove a $90B, as in billion, acquisition of Time Warner.

To put it in perspective, Disney acquired Marvel for $4B, which of course turned out to be a steal.

And the serialization is not complete, with at least one new series, and potentially others, to follow.

Huh? That made absolutely no sense. The only thing that Game of Thrones proved was that a lot of fans loved the series. It didn't usher in anything. Somewhere down the road, another genre series will uproot Game of Thrones and the cycle just moves on. Trying to equate some mystical reasoning as to why or how Game of Thrones is so popular is just insane.

This one-upman-ship over movies and television shows has been going on ever since the advent of television. M*A*S*H*, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, The Matrix, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Lord of the Rings trilogy ... each new era brings in a new movie, franchise or television series that has surpassed what has come before. This is something that will never change and trying to equate or attribute Game of Thrones to some reason that has no relevance as to the popularity of Game of Thrones is stretching the un-believability factor.

Game of Thrones is simply a product of its time. It won't be long before another genre TV series comes along and someone tries to equate that series to another phenomena.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Huh? That made absolutely no sense. The only thing that Game of Thrones proved was that a lot of fans loved the series. It didn't usher in anything. Somewhere down the road, another genre series will uproot Game of Thrones and the cycle just moves on. Trying to equate some mystical reasoning as to why or how Game of Thrones is so popular is just insane.

This one-upman-ship over movies and television shows has been going on ever since the advent of television. M*A*S*H*, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, The Matrix, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Lord of the Rings trilogy ... each new era brings in a new movie, franchise or television series that has surpassed what has come before. This is something that will never change and trying to equate or attribute Game of Thrones to some reason that has no relevance as to the popularity of Game of Thrones is stretching the un-believability factor.

Game of Thrones is simply a product of its time. It won't be long before another genre TV series comes along and someone tries to equate that series to another phenomena.

I agree. People seem to forget that Lost had the same reaction from viewers. A TV show comes along, gets popular, gets massive hype. Then the show ends, the hype is gone and people move on to their next obsession. And to be honest, I think GoT is going to be viewed as much worse with each rewatch and as time goes by because of how pointless everything turned out to be. I really don't think this show will stand the test of time.

[Kevinicus]

Originally Posted by farerb

I agree. People seem to forget that Lost had the same reaction from viewers. A TV show comes along, gets popular, gets massive hype. Then the show ends, the hype is gone and people move on to their next obsession. And to be honest, I think GoT is going to be viewed as much worse with each rewatch and as time goes by because of how pointless everything turned out to be. I really don't think this show will stand the test of time.

I think the opposite is true. As more time passes, season 8 will be looked at in a much better light.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Huh? That made absolutely no sense.

What makes no sense is the title of this thread. Benioff and Weiss were not dismissed by HBO. They are an independent partnership that contracted with another company, Netflix, of their own volition.

Originally Posted by kemcha

The only thing that Game of Thrones proved was that a lot of fans loved the series. It didn't usher in anything. Somewhere down the road, another genre series will uproot Game of Thrones and the cycle just moves on. Trying to equate some mystical reasoning as to why or how Game of Thrones is so popular is just insane.

You can choose to have your opinion. The fact is CEO Randall Stephenson stated AT&T acquired TW for $90B to secure HBO/GoT with the objective to drive subscriber growth. His words, not mine.

Originally Posted by kemcha

This one-upman-ship over movies and television shows has been going on ever since the advent of television. M*A*S*H*, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, The Matrix, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Lord of the Rings trilogy ... each new era brings in a new movie, franchise or television series that has surpassed what has come before. This is something that will never change and trying to equate or attribute Game of Thrones to some reason that has no relevance as to the popularity of Game of Thrones is stretching the un-believability factor.

Game of Thrones is simply a product of its time. It won't be long before another genre TV series comes along and someone tries to equate that series to another phenomena.

You are posting to an internet board your opinion re: Benioff, Weiss and GoT. Let's give this thread financial context.

Benioff, Weiss and GoT? $90 Billion. Your opinion? $0

[AFFanAttic]

I'm not someone who hated the last season of Game of Thrones, but I do subscribe to the idea that they condensed and rushed to the finale because they personally didn't want to stay attached to it for two or three years longer. So I'm laughing at the idea that they might've truncated their Star Wars assignment for similar reasons.

[kemcha]

Honestly, I had never heard of these two dimwits until the controversy over the last season went viral and everybody started talking about it. Truthfully? I don't care about these guys. The fact that they have angered more fans of a popular TV series in a short period of time speaks volumes about how talented they are. There have been other shows that have received the same treatment, the most famous being the last episode of The Sopranos, when the screen fades to black.

I'm sure they'll just fade away into obscurity like so many other writers, directors and producers have done.

[JamesKurtovich]

It's too bad their show never got a finale. Oh well. The Winds of Winter was perfection, imo.

[kemcha]

Game of Thrones is finished. Spinoffs for the series may generate "some" interest but don't expect it to be anywhere near the numbers for the original series. The series will have its fans that will watch and re-watch the series but that it's time is over. I wouldn't be too surprised if someone tries to adapt the novels into a movie trilogy or franchise.

But, there will, undoubtedly, be other fantasy shows that will draw fans away from Game of Thrones. There is such a plethora of fantasy novel series that are likely to be adapted. Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, Terry Brooks Shanarra series (get that bad aftertaste of that MTV series out of your mouth), perhaps another network can actually do the series right, Discworld by Terry Hatchet, Dresden Files by Dan Butcher (done right the second time around), Percy Jackson by Rick Riordan, Dragonriders of Pern by Anne McCaffrey, Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams and possibly Dungeons and Dragons, Forgotten Realms or even Magic the Gathering.

The possibilities are endless.