Should the Oscars come up with a different animation category for CG?

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I think it's time for the Oscars to become more expansive, period. Animation isn't just a genre, it's a medium.

Sadly, it'll always be viewed as kiddie fare in this country, and the only American animation that isn't aimed squarely at the ankle-biter set tends to be raunchy, R-rated stuff like Sausage Party instead of stuff that's authentically "mature".

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

Sadly, it'll always be viewed as kiddie fare in this country, and the only American animation that isn't aimed squarely at the ankle-biter set tends to be raunchy, R-rated stuff like Sausage Party instead of stuff that's authentically "mature".

I think WDAS and Pixar made enough mature films but I think that's always going to be the way it's viewed by the public and the industry unfortunately.

[Lee A Stewart]

Animation = Cartoons = For Kids (US)

[XavierTheaterPotato]

Animation isn't a genre, Brad Bird really gets into that argument at one point.

'Animation' Nicely Summed Up by Brad Bird - YouTube

And it's really dumb that the public, especially adults only see Animated films as only stuff for children, and it doesn't help that most of the animation that comes out panders exclusively to children. I, like many people, were excited for the last episodes of the Clone Wars, but it was undermined by relatives just calling it "A Cartoon," once folks say that their mind is made up and can't be argued with.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Animation = Cartoons = For Kids (US)

Sure, but we can say the same about Star Wars/MCU/DC/etc... But for some reason people take them more seriously.

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by farerb

I think WDAS and Pixar made enough mature films but I think that's always going to be the way it's viewed by the public and the industry unfortunately.

Even the most "mature" Pixar movies (ones that grapple with deep, metaphysical ideas, like Inside Out or Soul) still throw in "body swapping with a cat" comic schtick to appease little kids who would otherwise be bored, because of course no adult would be caught dead watching a "cartoon" for their own entertainment. And when a movie that aims at a more action/adventure market comes along, like Disney's Atlantis, or Don Bluth's Titan A.E., it inevitably flops.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by XavierTheaterPotato

Animation isn't a genre, Brad Bird really gets into that argument at one point.

'Animation' Nicely Summed Up by Brad Bird - YouTube

And it's really dumb that the public, especially adults only see Animated films as only stuff for children, and it doesn't help that most of the animation that comes out panders exclusively to children.

It really depends on the film though. Some films do feel childish while others have a much more mature tone. Like why is The Incredibles that different than something from the MCU for instance?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by farerb

Sure, but we can say the same about Star Wars/MCU/DC/etc... But for some reason people take them more seriously.

You can say anything you want, it doesn't change the fact that most Americans view animation as cartoons for kids simply because Pixar/Disney produces most of them.

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by farerb

Sure, but we can say the same about Star Wars/MCU/DC/etc... But for some reason people take them more seriously.

If you took any MCU movie's screenplay, and transcribed it verbatim, only to use it for an animated film, suddenly it'd be viewed as a children's movie (once they pruned out the lite PG-13 profanity). Why is The Incredibles a "family" movie, and, say, Captain America for "adults"? No reason, other than one is fully-animated, and the other is only 30% CGI.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

Even the most "mature" Pixar movies (ones that grapple with deep, metaphysical ideas, like Inside Out or Soul) still throw in "body swapping with a cat" comic schtick to appease little kids who would otherwise be bored, because of course no adult would be caught dead watching a "cartoon" for their own entertainment. And when a movie that aims at a more action/adventure market comes along, like Disney's Atlantis, or Don Bluth's Titan A.E., it inevitably flops.

How would you explain WALL-E then?
And I don't think Inside Out is mature.

[Lee A Stewart]

I wouldn't classify all the WB Batman/JL/Superman animation titles as kids cartoons. It's just that none of them are big screen releases.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

But what if they were to make a comeback?

Not only would it have to make a come back, there would have to be enough made to
a. justify the budget
b. be good enough to be nominated.

There's a reason we're seeing more CGI over 2D, and it's $

Originally Posted by farerb

The animation category should be eliminated, it's time to recognize animated films in the real categories. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, The Lion King, Toy Story and WALL-E were robbed of a Best Picture nomination.

While I agree, we're still not going to see an animated movie win BP. It's just one of those things. It sucks, but it is what it is.

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by farerb

How would you explain WALL-E then?

Even there, after that first half-hour on Earth, it amps up the slapstick to appease the kiddies.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by JayTL

While I agree, we're still not going to see an animated movie win BP. It's just one of those things. It sucks, but it is what it is.

I agree, mainly because the academy doesn't take them seriously. That's why the Best Animated Feature is a joke.

But animated movies have won the Golden Globe.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by farerb

I agree, mainly because the academy doesn't take them seriously. That's why the Best Animated Feature is a joke.

But animated movies have won the Golden Globe.

Golden Globe = poor man's AA. Like Monk Fish is the poor man's Lobster.

[Mr. Chaverria]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I don't think it makes sense that if you animate something traditionally, meaning by hand either on paper or some kind of digital pad, but drawn in 2D for each frame either way, and with painted, still backgrounds, it has to compete with all the animations made in a completely different medium, computer generation. It's like making athletes from two different sports compete for a medal. People in general probably like CG more, so there is gonna be a bias in the votes.

I've never watched the Oscars and I don't care about what they nominate, but I still want to ask.

Of course, this means that a traditionally animated movie will easily win, since Hollywood does not make any. I'm totally in favor of that incentive. I want them to come back. Haven't watched a CG animation in years.

That's a horrible analogy.

If they're running a for a medal by... running. Running is running. How you got there may be different but the end result is the same. You're running either way.

CG is here to stay. Color took over B&W. But the latter is still there to use. Animation is animation, there are just different kinds of it. 2D animation fell out of favor....HERE. Not everywhere else in the world. Stop isolating yourself, it's a bigger world.

[Farerb]

I blame Michael Eisner.

[XavierTheaterPotato]

Too Bad Mostly Disney/Pixar films win the category every year

I said Mostly.

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by Mr. Chaverria

CG is here to stay. Color took over B&W. But the latter is still there to use. Animation is animation, there are just different kinds of it. 2D animation fell out of favor....HERE. Not everywhere else in the world. Stop isolating yourself, it's a bigger world.

I'm not isolating myself, though. I watched or rewatched The Red Turtle, Redline, Wicked City, The Triplets of Belleville, Klaus, Gunsmith Cats, Riding Bean, Weathering with You, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Princess Mononoke, The Tale of the Princess Kaguya, Paprika and The Wind Rises this year, along with a bunch of American 2D animations.

Animation is animation. But I like 2D animation more. Still have no desire to see CG animation again after three years and three months. I'm sure there is still a significant market in the USA for traditional animation. It's just that Disney and Dreamworks were barely trying anymore when CG had taken over.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by XavierTheaterPotato

Too Bad Mostly Disney/Pixar films win the category every year

I said Mostly.

Most of the times they deserve it. I can think of 2012, 2014 and 2019 as years none of them deserved to win and they won. Soul is expected to win in 2020.