Zack Snyder’s Justice League (2021) or Orson Welles’ Citizen Kane (1941)?

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Originally Posted by DarkEco910

I will quite literally choose ANYTHING over Citizen Kane. Any day of the week. I never want to watch that movie ever again after the film class I took where a deep analysis of framing was required. I passed with flying colors, but...

...cannot stress this enough:

What is so objectionable about Citizen Kane. It is a watchable and entertaining and engrossing movie.

Is it just because you had to see it too many times to write your paper?

[Prog5000]

Kane. Better film.

[Mikezilla3k]

....People are seriously voting for Snyder Cut?

[JediJones77]

Citizen Zack.

[djzero]

Kane

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bump!

[zen007]

Where is the tie option?

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Originally Posted by zen007

Where is the tie option?

[captveg]

Obvious troll is obvious

[zen007]

Last yr, I did some structured reviews (a part of my experiments to try to understand films better) while keeping emotions (and nostalgia) aside. Below are my notes from that time:


Film: Citizen Kane (1941)
Director: Orson Welles
Oscars: 1

The dying words of a tycoon are "Rosebud". What could it mean?

• Story/Screenplay: The story moves forward non-linearly through interviews and flashbacks. Using different sources and perspectives, a picture or a puzzle of the life of the protagonist is presented. In one segment, the aging of characters and the growing differences b/w them are highlighted over a series of interactions. (10/10)
• Acting: Orson Welles gives a strong performance, moving through various stages of the life of the character convincingly. The supporting cast consisting of Joseph Cotten plays its parts well. Many of the actors made their debut in this film. (9/10)
• Cinematography: An effort is made to make almost every frame stand out. The use of lighting, frames within frames technique, deep focus, how actors move on screen (composition), etc., create a powerful visual impact. Much has been written about the film's cinematography. B&W films shot well are a treat to watch. (10/10)
• Background score: The score does its job well when experiencing the film. Bernard Herrmann in his debut film is said to be given enough freedom to create different musical pieces for different segments of the film (in a period where a generic score for a film was acceptable too). (8/10)
• Direction: How the package is put together including pushing the actors to give their best and taking creative decisions has made the film stand the test of time. (10/10)
• Uniqueness/Impact: Frequently cited as among the greatest films of all time. It has been an influence on the film noir genre as well. (10/10)
• Overall score: 57/60 = 95% = 9.5/10 (Great 9-10, Good 7-8, Average 5-6, Bad 3-4, Worst 1-2)

Film: Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021)
Director: Zack Snyder
Oscars: Not applicable

Superheroes unite to fight a decisive battle. A 4-hour superhero epic.

• Story/Screenplay: Adheres to DC's relatively serious tone, moving away from unnecessary humor. With so many characters, it can be difficult to do justice to some of them but the 4-hour run time allows Snyder to develop characters. (9/10)
• Acting: Actors play their parts per the requirement of the superhero genre. (8/10)
• Cinematography: The 1.33 aspect ratio suits the film. It has got the Snyder look with dark, gritty and desaturated elements. Nice use of framing techniques as well. Overall, the film has a great visual style. (10/10)
• Background score: A new score was done for the film rather than using the one from the mostly Joss Whedon directed 2017 theatrical Justice League. The new score works well with the tone of the film. It is impactful. (9/10)
• Direction: After Whedon replaced Snyder on the theatrical Justice League (2017) to give it a Marvelesque touch, through a social media campaign fans requested Snyder to put out his version. Additionally, $70M were allocated to reshoot/add-to parts of the film that would be premiered on HBO Max (no theatrical release). Snyder puts everything into it to create a superhero epic. (10/10)
• Uniqueness/Impact: A 4-hour superhero epic film. It puts Justice League back on track. The action sequences are nicely done. Snyder's style and tone of the film make it stand out. The film makes you want to read a comic book. (10/10)
• Overall score: 56/60 = 93% = 9.3/10 (Great 9-10, Good 7-8, Average 5-6, Bad 3-4, Worst 1-2)

PS from my PoV, a close race!

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Originally Posted by zen007

Film: Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021)
Oscars: Not applicable

I'll just point out that Snyder fans have been openly claiming that ZSJL is an oscar winning film and that it has won 2 Academy Awards and that Snyder is now an Oscar-winning director.

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Originally Posted by Mikezilla3k

....People are seriously voting for Snyder Cut?

wHy ArE pEoPlE nOt TaKiNg ThIs NoT-sErIoUs ToPiC sErIoUsLy?