Kaleidescape has more capacity and higher video bit rate when compared to 4K Blu-ray

[lgans316]

The usual you don't own anything, live in fear inside your bat cave doom mongers are out here lol.

I believe this offering is for those with deep pockets who are fully aware of the terms and conditions and what they are signing up for.

Let them spend their own money to achieve the convenience they are after. Just because some folks prefer convenience over spending time to locate the disc and place it on the disc tray
doesn't necessarily mean they are lazy.

Most of the times, I rip and watch back to back. Yes the drive can fail but it is not the end of the world.

[Wendell R. Breland]

I could have a Kaleidescape if I wanted one but tend to stay away from proprietary technology even tho I owned a Sony FMP-X10. Only lost a few hundred on that one.

I do have a Zappiti NAS (112TB) and Neo player. If Zappiti should fold I could continue with my Zidoo or Neo media player because the files on the NAS is mostly ISO.

Have saw the Kaleidescape demoed several times and believe it is great system, have recommended it to a few others with a suggestion they read the TOS/EULA before any purchase. Ball then out of my court.

[HDTV1080P]

High bit rate 4K Blu-ray image streams require a constant Internet speed of 150Mbps since 4K Blu-ray has high bit rate video with lossless audio. The Kaleidescape download system is much better quality then any current streaming system on the market since no streaming system yet streams at 128Mbps to 150Mbps for each TV location in the house. 4 TV’s would be 600Mbps of Internet bandwidth required. Instead, the Kaleidescape system works with any slow Internet connection since it’s a download service for renting and purchasing movies (Of course having 1,000Mbps or higher Internet speed is needed to download a movie in around 10 minutes).

Kaleidescape system is a ideal system I just wish the hardware would be improved and that some competitors would enter the market.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Most of the times, I rip and watch back to back. Yes the drive can fail but it is not the end of the world.

I had problems with my ripped files and research says Hard Drives last about 5 years while optical discs can outlast me.

Here's info from people who did the research...

Generally speaking, you can rely on your hard drive for three to five years on average. A compelling study that proved this statistic comes from the online backup company Backblaze who analyzed the failure rates of 25,000 running hard drives. They found that 90% of hard drives survive for three years and 80% for four years. But this number varied across brands. Western Digital and Hitachi hard drives lasted much longer than Seagate’s in Backblaze’s study.


So .... I decided to make my disc player work by only giving it discs that I have looked at ahead of time and cleaned as needed. My results so far have been flawless and while I"m not ripping and encoding and so on ... I've been buying and watching more than ever.

No more servers here.... I mean ... I still have a thousand movies in iTunes and Vudu but if I'm home I really don't care what happens to those apart from that is how I manage to share my collection with my kids who have mostly moved away for collage by now. A tiny dorm room or a luxery one bedroom apartment in California as the best reasons for having nothing and being happy with it.

[HDTV1080P]

I have posted many times over the years that a high-end enterprise hard drive might only last up to 5 years if constantly being used as a DVR device. However, a high-end solid-state drive like a 100TB model since there is no moving parts might last over 10 years if constantly used. The problem is the 100TB solid state drives costs $40,000. When solid state drives stated getting cheaper and more reliable around 15 years ago, I briefly mentioned to some people that one day they would replace hard drives since solid state drives are more reliable and much more faster. That has come true for storage devices up to 2TB with solid state drives replacing the hard drives. However, when a consumer needs 4TB to 20TB+ of storage, hard drives are much more cheaper when compared to solid state drives.

But one day maybe solid-state drives might replace 100% of all hard drives once prices come down for the higher capacity models. I like this new 100TB solid state drive that would work in a Kaleidescape system. The catch is the price of the system would need to be raised around $40,000 to offer one drive. One could have a 200TB configuration with two 100TB solid state drives for $80,000 additional cost.

https://www.techradar.com/news/at-10...ring-price-tag

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I had problems with my ripped files and research says Hard Drives last about 5 years while optical discs can outlast me.

Here's info from people who did the research...

Generally speaking, you can rely on your hard drive for three to five years on average. A compelling study that proved this statistic comes from the online backup company Backblaze who analyzed the failure rates of 25,000 running hard drives. They found that 90% of hard drives survive for three years and 80% for four years. But this number varied across brands. Western Digital and Hitachi hard drives lasted much longer than Seagate’s in Backblaze’s study.


So .... I decided to make my disc player work by only giving it discs that I have looked at ahead of time and cleaned as needed. My results so far have been flawless and while I"m not ripping and encoding and so on ... I've been buying and watching more than ever.

No more servers here.... I mean ... I still have a thousand movies in iTunes and Vudu but if I'm home I really don't care what happens to those apart from that is how I manage to share my collection with my kids who have mostly moved away for collage by now. A tiny dorm room or a luxery one bedroom apartment in California as the best reasons for having nothing and being happy with it.

I have few spares HDDs dedicated for watching recent rips through the Zidoo Z9X.

The backups are on separate dedicated drives (same movie in 2 drives). Western Digital do good deals out here (£220 for 14 TB = 220 4K rips approx. = £1 per movie * 2 = £2 per movie in 2 drives). N

I don't use NAS. The backup drives are touched only for backup. If the drive fails then all I can do is grind my teeth and buy a new drive. Such is life. I can't live in constant fear when it comes to entertainment. Otherwise I won't be even stepping out of my home lol

[bhampton]

I like that you do it and you like it.... I just find it to be a total waste of time, energy, and money.

I didn't back up anything that I didn't have and the backups were less reliable than the real thing.

Mostly though the Z9X is buggy. If you listen to the 5.1 mix of DSotM you will hear PCM is mapped to the wrong channels and while it's typically not notice-able for things you aren't super familiar with, ... it may be doing everything somewhat wrong.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I like that you do it and you like it.... I just find it to be a total waste of time, energy, and money.

I didn't back up anything that I didn't have and the backups were less reliable than the real thing.

Mostly though the Z9X is buggy. If you listen to the 5.1 mix of DSotM you will hear PCM is mapped to the wrong channels and while it's typically not notice-able for things you aren't super familiar with, ... it may be doing everything somewhat wrong.

It's been ages since listening to LPCM.

HD and object based audio formats work fine on the Zidoo. This is good enough for me. Zidoo constantly gets software updates and hopefully they fix this PCM issue.

Ripping is super easy for me. Convenience comes into play when I have a boat load of unwatched movies. I ran out of shelf space long time ago and it's becoming very challenging to manage my collection and locate the disc. This is when the rips and my digital collection on MA and iTunes comes handy. YMMV.

[bhampton]

I am happy for you.

I own the Zidoo and there's is not a snowflakes chance it hell I'll ever be interested in Kaliedescape.

Next time I have a problem with a disc, ... I'll likely be right there with you but I'm on a streak of good luck so I may as well get some use from my UB9000.

[HDTV1080P]

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"Storage options for approximately 1,500 (88TB) or 800 (48TB) 4K movies"

"Downloads a 4K HDR movie in as little as 10 minutes, at up to 800 Mbps"

https://www.kaleidescape.com/terra-movie-server/

[Mr.Poindexter]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Someone could make a better system then the current Kaleidescape system at a cheaper price. All one needs to do is use a X299 motherboard that has a dual 10,000Mbps LAN connection. Then use 256GB of DDR4 memory. Then use an external 200TB USB 3.1 hard drive system. The X299 motherboard would have a very fast and reliable M2 solid state drive on the motherboard. Then one would have to pay a programmer to use the Linux operating system to emulate a movie server that is better then Kaleidescape.

The X299 motherboard would be ideal for the ultimate Kaleidescape style system. One would have 256GB download buffer with a fast solid state drive that is connected to 200TB USB 3.1 hard drive system. Plus the download of a 100GB 4K Blu-ray image would take a maximum of 1 minute over a 10,000Mbps Internet connection. The hard work is paying the programmer to create a Linux movie system. Also a third party app needs to be written for a streaming box that has a minimum of 1,000Mbps ethernet. Then over the home network the 4K streaming boxes could communicate with the X299 system.

The new Kaleidescape system would be faster, more reliable, and cheaper when compared to the existing system. The hardware exists to create a system better then Kaleidescape, the key is to get the Hollywood studios to support the system. Kaleidescape might have exclusive contract with the studios and developing a new system to compete with Kaleidescape would only work if the studios supported the new system.

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards...x299-sage-10g/

You think Kaleidescape couldn't put in different hardware to match the theoretical system you are proposing? A Kaleidescape system is more than just the hardware. I remember explaining them to people who balked at the price with the response "how much does a hard drive cost?" which baffled me. They are not selling hard drives. I don't respond to Ferrari's price with "how much do tires cost?"

What you get with Kaleidescape is convenience and reliability. The system just flat out works. I have actually built my own server. It was "superior" to the Kaleidescape when you looked at the hardware and the specs. I sold it and bought a Kaleidescape and couldn't be happier. I have been a Kaleidescape owner since 2003.

Sure, you could cobble something together for less, but Kaleidescape isn't the low-cost provider. They are the luxury provider of what is the best Blu-Ray and 4K source one can get for their system as long as you are not chasing 3D video or some other new thing that is under-supported and being pushed into the market to drive hardware sales.

Also, when looking at the hardware, one has to understand that there are tradeoffs when looking at faster processing, etc. There is a power draw and resulting thermal load that needs to be addressed, as well as the baseline noise level of the system. Upping the processor increases all those things. In my home installation, that wouldn't be a problem though the noise factor could be as I designed my equipment room based on the sound levels of my existing gear and not a taxiing P51 mustang like my old media server that I would keep in the garage. For those with marine, aviation or RV installs, that is an even larger issue to deal with.

[mustang5o]

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread but I thought it might better than starting a new one. I've been researching Kaleidescape some and I heard there are like 100's of movies available there in 4K that haven't been released on 4K disc. I also heard the list was kept somewhere. Does anyone know where to find that list of movies?

I would strongly consider the Zappiti NAS if it was still available in the US as at least then I could manage hardware failures. Still considering just building my own as well. Then I could just keep physical media tucked away in my storage closet.

[HDTV1080P]

It might be a list that is only offered to people that have a system if you cannot find the list of movies on the companies website.

[AmishParadise]

Kaleidescape Movie Store

[mustang5o]

Originally Posted by AmishParadise

Kaleidescape Movie Store

I know how to look at the move store but I wouldn't know where to begin to find just the 4K movies that don't have a physical release. HDTV1080P might be correct. I thought they said it was on a forum somewhere but I haven't found it yet.

[mustang5o]

I would think they would want to advertise that aspect as it could be what some buyers need to take the leap.

[jwort93]

Originally Posted by mustang5o

I know how to look at the move store but I wouldn't know where to begin to find just the 4K movies that don't have a physical release. HDTV1080P might be correct. I thought they said it was on a forum somewhere but I haven't found it yet.

Here's the list you're looking for, it's maintained on the Kaleidescape Owner's forum: https://pastebin.com/q7U6QSXz

I copied it to pastebin because it's in an attachment on a post there and you need to register and wait for your account to be manually approved to see it. One thing to note, is it was last updated in October 2022, so there are probably more not included, and possibly some that used to not exist on 4K disc, but now do. The total as of then was 673 movies available in UHD/HDR on Kaleidescape but not 4K blu-ray.

One other caveat is that I believe it's based on US 4K blu-ray releases, so some of these movies may exist in 4K blu-ray outside of the US, but definitely nowhere near all of them do.

It's what convinced me to buy into K, so I agree with your sentiment that it should be more advertised than it currently is.

[mustang5o]

Originally Posted by jwort93

Here's the list you're looking for, it's maintained on the Kaleidescape Owner's forum: https://pastebin.com/q7U6QSXz

I copied it to pastebin because it's in an attachment on a post there and you need to register and wait for your account to be manually approved to see it. One thing to note, is it was last updated in October 2022, so there are probably more not included, and possibly some that used to not exist on 4K disc, but now do. The total as of then was 673 movies available in UHD/HDR on Kaleidescape but not 4K blu-ray.

One other caveat is that I believe it's based on US 4K blu-ray releases, so some of these movies may exist in 4K blu-ray outside of the US, but definitely nowhere near all of them do.

It's what convinced me to buy into K, so I agree with your sentiment that it should be more advertised than it currently is.

Thanks. I need to see how many titles I feel would be worth considering. Now they just need to do disc to digital for 4K!

[HDTV1080P]

Kaleidescape is designed to be a replacement to physical optical media like 4K Blu-ray, Blu-ray, and DVD. But I have my doubts that it will every reach mainstream support unless physical media completely disappears and the price of the system comes down a little.

Select quotes from article

"In defense of Kaleidescape, they make no claims to be a bargain. Rather, they target a high-end clientele seeking premium products without considering the price. However, even these customers appreciate a good deal, which is where Kaleidescape's recent "Disc-to-Digital" program comes into play."

"Previously, Kaleidescape offered a similar program with their discontinued Alto player, which is now difficult to find on the used market. However, with the new kOS 10.14.0 update, users no longer require an Alto player to convert physical discs into digital copies. By purchasing an external Blu-ray disc drive, customers can catalog their collections (DVD and Blu-ray only) and obtain discounted digital versions from the Kaleidescape Movie Store—often in 4K resolution!"

"To convert your collection, simply connect the drive to your Strato player via USB and power both devices on."

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...e-disc-digital

[alchav21]

I think for you Disc Collectors Kscape is the way to go, especially if you have a High End Dedicated Home Theater. I did all my Disc-to-Digital Conversion on Vudu, and they still have that option but it may be limited.