Over, Just Over - Goodbye 007

[joshsquash729]

Since it seems to be such a precious topic to you, dunemoon, tell us- who you would like to see play Bond next and why? And why shouldn't we have a Bond that further reflects the time, and perhaps focuses on some aspects of the character other than the recent Bourne-ification of him?

[spanky87]

I have no sympathy for Bond fans who lose interest in the franchise due the direction it’s taking, even for reasons that aren’t connected to some woke paranoia.

There’s already 25 of these things that you’ll always be able to watch. 25. Bond isn’t that interesting of a character to warrant this many films. No character does for that matter.

Honestly, I’m surprised people keep anticipating more of these. There’s so little that can be done to keep this particular character and formula fresh.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by spanky87

I have no sympathy for Bond fans who lose interest in the franchise due the direction it’s taking, even for reasons that aren’t connected to some woke paranoia.

There’s already 25 of these things that you’ll always be able to watch. 25. Bond isn’t that interesting of a character to warrant this many films. No character does for that matter.

Honestly, I’m surprised people keep anticipating more of these. There’s so little that can be done to keep this particular character and formula fresh.

Mythology is flexible.

[Dunemoon]

Originally Posted by mrjeff

"Man admits to not liking film series entries for 33 years; Continues to watch"

It's like you're your own ONION headline.

I’m not seeing much in the way of reasoned responses from the Gen Z types. Just the usual buzzwords.

[Winslow Leach]

I'll keep watching new Bond films for as long as EON keeps making them.

[kylor]

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[Dunemoon]

Originally Posted by joshsquash729

Since it seems to be such a precious topic to you, dunemoon, tell us- who you would like to see play Bond next and why? And why shouldn't we have a Bond that further reflects the time, and perhaps focuses on some aspects of the character other than the recent Bourne-ification of him?

Ideally, someone who resembles what Fleming put on the page. Failing that someone like a Henry Cavill.

Bond should be the traditional hero protecting and espousing traditional western democratic values. Humour in measured doses and actual spy craft employed to further the plot. The supporting characters stay in the office and their social life left to the imagination. Also, I’d prefer the pretentious artiness of the Craig era to be discarded (opera, poetry readings etc).

As for the action? A slow build up to a satisfying conclusion.

[klauswhereareyou]

LOL this thread.

[bluearth]

Because Hollywood is cowardly, the next bond won't be white or black or a woman, they are too afraid to upset either side and risk their cash cow. They will choose a brown man for bond, probably Pakistani, or mixed. His back story will be that he's into men and women but only beds women on screen because Hollywood is gutless

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Dunemoon

Ideally, someone who resembles what Fleming put on the page. Failing that someone like a Henry Cavill.

Bond should be the traditional hero protecting and espousing traditional western democratic values. Humour in measured doses and actual spy craft employed to further the plot. The supporting characters stay in the office and their social life left to the imagination. Also, I’d prefer the pretentious artiness of the Craig era to be discarded (opera, poetry readings etc).

As for the action? A slow build up to a satisfying conclusion.

Bond should be the traditional hero protecting and espousing traditional western democratic values.

Ah - he works for the British - they are not considered "western" - that would be the USA. Great Britian couldn't be any more different than the USA. It's still referred to as The British Empire you know.

[steve_dave]

Modern audiences can not handle slow build ups to action. Just like they can not sit still for a lot of drawn out exposition.

The Man from U.N.C.L.E. is a fantastic throwback film but it failed to spark with audiences because it was took too long to tell its story.

Casino Royale 2006 was also a nice return to the Dr. No formula but again, audiences rejected it for being too much like Dr. No. Bond fans were so enamored that Skyfall would restore the Bond film traits that were so loved and missed that we laughed and cheered at Q introducing a radio.

And that’s the thing: Bond the books and Bond the movies are two different distinct things.

You can move Bond foward while keeping his trademark charactistics. Brosnan’s Bond got a verbal scolding from M in Goldeneye but he still kept his ways. Craig’s Bond was still infamous for bringing random women home in No Time To Die.

From your article:

“It’s an evolution,” she says. “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving. I don’t know who’s evolving at a faster pace.”

Nowhere does that say Bond will be toothless and a secondary character. Or was it this statement that scared you:

Both Wilson and Broccoli, who is a director of the U.K. chapter of women’s advocacy org Time’s Up, have left their mark on Bond, particularly in humanizing the once-womanizing spy and ensuring more fulfilling, meatier roles for the female stars of the franchise. These are qualities that will continue in the next films, says Broccoli.

Because there have been strong females in past Bond films before Craig’s tenure:

P*ssy Galore
Fiona Volape
Wai Lin
Jinx
Xenia Onatopp

All characters and actresses before the so called Hollywood “Woke” era of the late 2010s and 2020s.

[JoeKryten]

Originally Posted by kylor

Never Say Over Again
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The Thread Is Pointless Enough
No Time To Whine
A View to a Drama Queen
Licence To Cry
The Dunemoon Who Loved Whining
For Your Cries Only
The Whining Daylights
Cry Another Day
On Dunemoon's Pointless Thread

Judging by this thread, one of these titles is blatantly wrong...

[mwynn]

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[mwynn]

Originally Posted by An4h0ny

It begins.

[Ferretferret]

The line between satire and genuine opinion continues to blur...

[Gieferg]

Thankfully, Bond is dead to me right now - since the one and only Bond I was ever interested in was Craig, then it is over indeed.

That doesn't mean it can't change, but if the new one won't click with me, then I will just ignore future movies with no regrets.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by kylor

Never Say Over Again
From Dunemoon Without Love
You Only Whine Twice
The Thread Is Pointless Enough
No Time To Whine
A View to a Drama Queen
Licence To Cry
The Dunemoon Who Loved Whining
For Your Cries Only
The Whining Daylights
Cry Another Day
On Dunemoon's Pointless Thread

I too was gonna say this thread is another exercise in users whining, but this user changed my mind, I guess I am saying is you’re, The Man With The Golden Post.

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by Dunemoon

The headline indicates Bond and Men evolving. So, there’s going to be a fundamental ideological change on how the character is going to be presented. Craig’s era made Bond so weak he ended up a passenger in his own films. The future is dim.

Holy crap, your post reeks of insecurity. Grow some balls.

[kylor]

Originally Posted by JoeKryten

Judging by this thread, one of these titles is blatantly wrong...

It was meant to be ironic since in No Time To Die

[Show spoiler] Bond does indeed die

. So With No Time To Whine, there will indeed be whining.

I'll take any responses shaken but not stirred.

[jess1581]

Evolution in the 007 franchise has always been a thing. No Bond has been the exact same as the other. We've had dark, we've had light, we've had campy, we've had serious, we've had realistic, we've had over the top, the stories even evolved from Cold War to reflecting the times we live in.

This doesn't surprise me, though I'm not sure how men have "evolved". Judging by our society, the notion of evolution is very subjective. We haven't evolved, our techniques just change. Old ways are given different names. The more things change the more they stay the same