Dawson's Creek - The Complete Series - December 6th, 2022

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by GeoffOliver

Does anyone know why the song was re-recorded for Netflix? I wonder if it was some legal reason (like maybe the record label was asking too much and Paula offered to re-record it directly for Sony).

I was just about to ask the same thing. I can't imagine Paula saying "You can't use my song unless I re-record it!" Just doesn't make sense.

So am wondering myself why a re-recording was needed...

[Animatic33]

Originally Posted by GeoffOliver

Does anyone know why the song was re-recorded for Netflix? I wonder if it was some legal reason (like maybe the record label was asking too much and Paula offered to re-record it directly for Sony).

Originally Posted by MrHT

I was just about to ask the same thing. I can't imagine Paula saying "You can't use my song unless I re-record it!" Just doesn't make sense.

So am wondering myself why a re-recording was needed...

Yeah, she re-recorded it due to legal reasons. Plenty of articles on Google detail it far better than I…

https://www.stereogum.com/2159608/da...bel-deal/news/

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/...235055893/amp/

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Animatic33

Yeah, she re-recorded it due to legal reasons. Plenty of articles on Google detail it far better than I…

https://www.stereogum.com/2159608/da...bel-deal/news/

Thanks, that link was helpful.

This is why it's never the best idea for TV shows to use licensed music as its theme song. Look at "Happy Days" for example. There's a reason why it changed its opening theme from "Rock Around the Clock" to its own "Happy Days" theme starting in Season 3.

[DawnShadow]

This is the greatest show ever, but with Netflix streaming the show in 4K and Mill Creek's woeful compression I just don't see me buying this anytime soon. Party of Five, however, I would jump on...

[GeoffOliver]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Thanks, that link was helpful.

This is why it's never the best idea for TV shows to use licensed music as its theme song. Look at "Happy Days" for example. There's a reason why it changed its opening theme from "Rock Around the Clock" to its own "Happy Days" theme starting in Season 3.

It's not a problem if it's cleared for home video when the music is licensed, but it just wasn't in the case of Dawson's Creek (home video obviously wasn't around when Happy Days was made). These days, it's not an issue for new shows, especially since home video rights also usually cover streaming. TV reruns of Dawson's Creek should still be able to use all the original music IIRC.

[The Great Owl]

December 6?

I don't wanna wait.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by GeoffOliver

It's not a problem if it's cleared for home video when the music is licensed, but it just wasn't in the case of Dawson's Creek (home video obviously wasn't around when Happy Days was made). These days, it's not an issue for new shows, especially since home video rights also usually cover streaming. TV reruns of Dawson's Creek should still be able to use all the original music IIRC.

Yeah, that was the problem. Back then, complete TV series were never really released on VHS. Some did, but only a few small selection of shows. It just wasn't practical to release a series with a large amount of episodes on hundreds of jumbo VHS tapes. If people wanted to own a TV show, you would record it yourself when it gets broadcasted.

So DVDs and streaming were not on anyone's mind at the time, hence why it was never cleared.

[ElectricPeterTork]

I'll most likely buy it as long as it's not an I Dream of Jeannie level cock-up, but there's no good option for the theme song. The replacement that sounds wrong, or the rerecording that sounds wrong. Pick yer poison.

And the fact that they had to get a shitty cover version of Drift Away to replace Dobie Gray's original during the death of The Flash still irks me.

[Mike0284]

Originally Posted by GeoffOliver

Does anyone know why the song was re-recorded for Netflix? I wonder if it was some legal reason (like maybe the record label was asking too much and Paula offered to re-record it directly for Sony).

"In 2021, Cole recorded a new version of "I Don't Want to Wait" to avoid licensing issues with the original master, which Netflix restored as the theme song."

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Mill Creek? Doubt they're putting up the money for the theme. Might get it, but they will probably cram too many episodes on too few discs.

They paid to restore the music for Married …With Children and Quantum Leap.

[DawnShadow]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

They paid to restore the music for Married …With Children and Quantum Leap.

Do you know that to be true? You don’t think Sony just paid and Mill Creek obtained the rights after such payments had already been made?

[vicious_boy]

I was so stoked when I saw this news! Sure, I would've preferred Sony to release it themselves, but I will reserve judgment until it's released. It's going to be hell having to wait for that release date!

[Alwayshappy]

This is good news, I've rewatched the show a few times and loved it every time. It's just Dawson himself who annoys the crap out of me and I think the later seasons (2 and up) are a big improvement over the first season.

I know I'm in the minority, but I actually prefer the ''Run like Mad'' intro, it's more catchy to me.

[MrRonald2796]

Originally Posted by GeoffOliver

Does anyone know why the song was re-recorded for Netflix? I wonder if it was some legal reason (like maybe the record label was asking too much and Paula offered to re-record it directly for Sony).

She was open for the song to be used in the intro, but the obtaining rights to the OG song was a bit convoluted, so they just went and used the 2016 re-recorded version of the song (which she fully owned).

[Animatic33]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

This is the greatest show ever, but with Netflix streaming the show in 4K and Mill Creek's woeful compression I just don't see me buying this anytime soon. Party of Five, however, I would jump on...

I forgot this was in 4K when it was on Netflix. Also, I just learned it left the service May 2022?

I also wanted to add that I hope the music rights for the rest of the series are retained in the re-release. It would be a tragedy if even more songs got removed... Despite the original airings being eons ago, I still have vague memories of some tunes missing. There's already a website dedicated to outlining those changes, so I won't go over them here.

However, the first run of DVDs for seasons 1 and 2 did have the original Paula Cole track in the intro, I'm lucky to have those in my collection. It was changed to Arden's song in seasons 3 through 6. The Series Finale standalone DVD had the Cole song on it though, I believe that's why I bought it, because of course the Arden track was on the 6th season DVDs.

[ElectricPeterTork]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

Do you know that to be true? You don’t think Sony just paid and Mill Creek obtained the rights after such payments had already been made?

Yeah, I dont think Mill Creek did anything for Quantum Leap, either. Universal likely paid to restore the music, since the streaming versions are intact, and MC just got the rights to release them after Uni had already fixed things.

[Cap.T]

Originally Posted by Animatic33

I forgot this was in 4K when it was on Netflix. Also, I just learned it left the service May 2022?

It was not just 4K. It was 4K with Dolby Vision and apart from the Netflix compression it looked absolutely fantastic, especially season 3 and onward. It was filmed in 16mm and therefore is very, very grainy. The Netflix compression had some issues with that. If Mill Creek does it's usual thing with putting way to many episodes on each disc, it could get problematic.

[filmbuffTX]

The Amazon listing says 20 discs.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

Do you know that to be true? You don’t think Sony just paid and Mill Creek obtained the rights after such payments had already been made?

Married …With Children is Sony, Quantum Leap is Universal.

[JoelGoodsen]

The music situation will dictate if I buy this or not.