High Noon 4K UHD (1952)

[cheez avenger]

I own the Olive and Eureka Bds and those were sourced form a 4K master. This actual 4K disc should be reference material, just like the BDs were. Day 1!

[Cooper67]

I own the Criterion laser disc silver 1st pressing, the rca selectavision CED, multiple VHS tapes, multiple dvds, the olive blu ray, olive signature, and the eureka limited blu ray. So I will be ordering this 4k directly from Kino the first day it is offered for pre order.

[Jacob Mc Candles]

High Noon is a good movie but far from a masterpiece imho. And Fred Zinnemann is no Howard Hawks...

It's no secret that Duke Wayne and Howard Hawks hated High Noon so much they made Rio Bravo (1959). It's interesting to note that after after a screening of Rio Bravo, Coop said the movie was "phony"! How ironic his remark when you think that his character in High Noon was a marshall... who didn't use much of his brain...He had plenty of rifles in his office and instead of running after help all he had to do was to find a place on a roof where he could kept an eye on the station and sniped Miller as soon as he had spotted him? Howards Hawks and Duke Wayne were so right about High Noon!

Not to mention the terrible shot just after Miller's death...

I never saw any mention of the worst bloopers of High Noon, not less than 4, all in the same shot
They can be found in the shot just after Miller is shot dead by Coop :

1) In the previous shot, when Miller falls dead, his hat is between him and Coop's wife and in the following one, the hat is back on his head.
2) In the previous shot, Miller falls dead on his left side with his arms around him while in the following one he's lying face down on his belly with his arm wide-spread in a kind of Christ-like way.
3)Look at the shadows of the buildings ( almost none before and very long ones after, indicating the shots were not filmed around the same time, but hours later!)
4) And last, look at Coop in the first shot, he almost stands against the wooden pole; in the following shot he's well too far from it.

So what happened? Why didn't any of the actors, especially Coop, or technicians mention to the director the shot was wrong?
Unless they had completely run out of film stock and didn't wanna buy a new one to reshoot the scene properly, I find it extermely unprofessionnal.

[gregmtl92]

So you necrobumped the thread just to shit on the film?

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by Jacob Mc Candles

High Noon is a good movie but far from a masterpiece imho. And Fred Zinnemann is no Howard Hawks...

It's no secret that Duke Wayne and Howard Hawks hated High Noon so much they made Rio Bravo (1959). It's interesting to note that after after a screening of Rio Bravo, Coop said the movie was "phony"! How ironic his remark when you think that his character in High Noon was a marshall... who didn't use much of his brain...He had plenty of rifles in his office and instead of running after help all he had to do was to find a place on a roof where he could kept an eye on the station and sniped Miller as soon as he had spotted him? Howards Hawks and Duke Wayne were so right about High Noon!

Not to mention the terrible shot just after Miller's death...

I never saw any mention of the worst bloopers of High Noon, not less than 4, all in the same shot
They can be found in the shot just after Miller is shot dead by Coop :

1) In the previous shot, when Miller falls dead, his hat is between him and Coop's wife and in the following one, the hat is back on his head.
2) In the previous shot, Miller falls dead on his left side with his arms around him while in the following one he's lying face down on his belly with his arm wide-spread in a kind of Christ-like way.
3)Look at the shadows of the buildings ( almost none before and very long ones after, indicating the shots were not filmed around the same time, but hours later!)
4) And last, look at Coop in the first shot, he almost stands against the wooden pole; in the following shot he's well too far from it.

So what happened? Why didn't any of the actors, especially Coop, or technicians mention to the director the shot was wrong?
Unless they had completely run out of film stock and didn't wanna buy a new one to reshoot the scene properly, I find it extermely unprofessionnal.

Lol.

You can find some sort of continuity error in nearly every film ever made, that hardly means this film shouldn't receive the praise that it does.

High Noon IS a masterpiece and is widely considered so (and rightfully so). And some clown pointing out a couple continuity errors isn't gonna change that. I mean you have to laugh. This post is ridiculous.

[rocknblues81]

This is a "message" with the movie depending on who you ask. Whatever.

I think with the main character it feels like the filmmakers want to have it both ways. They want the Marshall to be this stand up and larger than life, but all he does for most of the movie is beg.

I still like the movie, but not a 5/5 for me. Maybe a 3.5 or 4.

[Jacob Mc Candles]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

This is a "message" with the movie depending on who you ask. Whatever.

I think with the main character it feels like the filmmakers want to have it both ways. They want the Marshall to be this stand up and larger than life, but all he does for most of the movie is beg.

I still like the movie, but not a 5/5 for me. Maybe a 3.5 or 4.

Agree with you. At least you're honest and not blinded by the status of Masterpiece of the movie. Had Coop played a shopkeeper, his begging would have been understandable.Not when it comes to a lawman with plenty of rifles in his office and who knows exactly when and where his foe will be. Piece of cake for a lawman to snipe Frank Miller as he stepped out of the train!

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by Jacob Mc Candles

High Noon is a good movie but far from a masterpiece imho. And Fred Zinnemann is no Howard Hawks...

It's no secret that Duke Wayne and Howard Hawks hated High Noon so much they made Rio Bravo (1959). It's interesting to note that after after a screening of Rio Bravo, Coop said the movie was "phony"! How ironic his remark when you think that his character in High Noon was a marshall... who didn't use much of his brain...He had plenty of rifles in his office and instead of running after help all he had to do was to find a place on a roof where he could kept an eye on the station and sniped Miller as soon as he had spotted him? Howards Hawks and Duke Wayne were so right about High Noon!

Not to mention the terrible shot just after Miller's death...

I never saw any mention of the worst bloopers of High Noon, not less than 4, all in the same shot
They can be found in the shot just after Miller is shot dead by Coop :

1) In the previous shot, when Miller falls dead, his hat is between him and Coop's wife and in the following one, the hat is back on his head.
2) In the previous shot, Miller falls dead on his left side with his arms around him while in the following one he's lying face down on his belly with his arm wide-spread in a kind of Christ-like way.
3)Look at the shadows of the buildings ( almost none before and very long ones after, indicating the shots were not filmed around the same time, but hours later!)
4) And last, look at Coop in the first shot, he almost stands against the wooden pole; in the following shot he's well too far from it.

So what happened? Why didn't any of the actors, especially Coop, or technicians mention to the director the shot was wrong?
Unless they had completely run out of film stock and didn't wanna buy a new one to reshoot the scene properly, I find it extermely unprofessionnal.

Tell me you don't understand the point of the movie without telling me you don't understand the point of the movie.

[Jacob Mc Candles]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Lol.

You can find some sort of continuity error in nearly every film ever made, that hardly means this film shouldn't receive the praise that it does.

High Noon IS a masterpiece and is widely considered so (and rightfully so). And some clown pointing out a couple continuity errors isn't gonna change that. I mean you have to laugh. This post is ridiculous.

Continuity errors are in every movie, ok. But when it comes to the bad guy's death scene with him dying on his side and with no hat on, it doesn't look very professionnal that the very next shot shows him on his tummy with the hat back on his head. Ian Mc Donald (Miller) and Coop knew very well that there was a HUGE continuity error and said nothing to Zinnemann? Really????

Such an error is forgivable when it happens in the course of the movie with a random minion. Not in the final shot with the main bad guy!

[Matt89]

Are people "blinded" or were they able to appreciate a more thought-provoking revisionist western when nearly all westerns of the time presented a fantasy version of the "Old West"?

Sure some people hated the movie, and I admire Howard Hawks' work (Rio Bravo among them), he was certainly an auteur of the studio system. But I think his assessment of High Noon is completely off the mark. He, too, missed the point of the film. In his book Wild West Movies, I believe Kim Newman was correct in his claim that High Noon is the "most influential Western of the 1950s, its attitudes subtly changed the societal vision of the whole genre." You can see how it influenced Sergio Leone, Clint Eastwood, Robert Altman, etc. etc.

Either way, there's good reason why High Noon was one of the first 25 films added to the National Film Registry in the Library of Congress back in 1989.

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by Jacob Mc Candles

Continuity errors are in every movie, ok. But when it comes to the bad guy's death scene with him dying on his side and with no hat on, it doesn't look very professionnal that the very next shot shows him on his tummy with the hat back on his head. Ian Mc Donald (Miller) and Coop knew very well that there was a HUGE continuity error and said nothing to Zinnemann? Really????

Such an error is forgivable when it happens in the course of the movie with a random minion. Not in the final shot with the main bad guy!

Your dismissal of the movie is over a HAT? Seriously? Yeah it's a continuity error, but it in no way effects the final outcome of the film or the film's impact IMO.

[rocknblues81]

One thing, I thought Cooper looked like he could almost be Kelly's dad. I don't think they had that great of onscreen chemistry despite what was supposedly going down behind the scenes.

Despite some issues, I think I'll go with 8/10 as I think about it.

[Jacob Mc Candles]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Your dismissal of the movie is over a HAT? Seriously? Yeah it's a continuity error, but it in no way effects the final outcome of the film or the film's impact IMO.

This shot has 4 continuity errors. Not simply a negligeable one!
Miller falls dead and next shot his (magic?) hat is back on his head as fast as light year and so is his (magic) body turning quicker than light year from his side to his belly with (magic) arms in a Christ like way. And you accept it as normal ?

Sorry but it takes me out of the movie more than anything else... But maybe that's only me...

Still I can't understand how a director like Zinnemann made 4 errors in such an important shot. Nor why Coop or McDonald, or some techs working on the film said nothing...
That's not professionnal at all and definetely not of the stuff masterpieces are made of.

I don't think Howard Hawks would have let such errors in the lasts shots of Rio Bravo, like Angie throwing her black stockings through the window and old Stumpy catching...Chance's hat

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by Jacob Mc Candles

This shot has 4 continuity errors. Not simply a negligeable one!
Miller falls dead and next shot his (magic?) hat is back on his head as fast as light year and so is his (magic) body turning quicker than light year from his side to his belly with (magic) arms in a Christ like way. And you accept it as normal ?

Sorry but it takes me out of the movie more than anything else... But maybe that's only me...

Still I can't understand how a director like Zinnemann made 4 errors in such an important shot. Nor why Coop or McDonald, or some techs working on the film said nothing...
That's not professionnal at all and definetely not of the stuff masterpieces are made of.

I don't think Howard Hawks would have let such errors in the lasts shots of Rio Bravo, like Angie throwing her black stockings through the window and old Stumpy catching...Chance's hat

Yeah I think it's only you. It's really not as glaring a continuity error as you're making it out to be. I think that is the main takeaway here. In fact, I've never seen someone so fixated on it the way you are now.

[Tuc0]

Love the Eureka limited set but can't skip this one on 4K. Day one.

[Jacob Mc Candles]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Yeah I think it's only you. It's really not as glaring a continuity error as you're making it out to be. I think that is the main takeaway here. In fact, I've never seen someone so fixated on it the way you are now.

I'm fixated like you say, simply because that is indeed a glaring, or rather 4, glaring continuity errors, 2 of which could have easily been avoided, the hat and body's position. So, if you don't mind watching the last shot of a dead Miller in a Christ position and with his hat on, I'm sure you'll love it even more on 4K

Know what? In a traditional job, 4 errors like that wouldn't be acceptable and definitely wouldn't deserve any praises.

Rio Bravo is vastly superior to High Noon, doesn't feature any glaring continuity errors like these ( Duke Wayne would have said something at least for the hat and body position!) and still it's High Noon with this rushed shot that got Academy awards... Go figure...

[ClassicCraig]

Originally Posted by Jacob Mc Candles

Agree with you. At least you're honest and not blinded by the status of Masterpiece of the movie. Had Coop played a shopkeeper, his begging would have been understandable.Not when it comes to a lawman with plenty of rifles in his office and who knows exactly when and where his foe will be. Piece of cake for a lawman to snipe Frank Miller as he stepped out of the train!

The "begging" is him trying to understand what's happening. His priorities are so different that it takes time for him to accept it. The character sees no other path and finding himself on it alone crushes him more and more every minute.
Also, shooting Miller before trouble starts would be murder, which he can't do. Sniping Miller from a point of safety would be cowardly, which is also impossible for him.

[Ruined]

I wonder if Kino bought rights to all the Olive signature editions like Johnny Guitar, Rio Grande, etc. All have 4K masters available.

Although kinda odd they gave this a 4K UHD but Force of Evil a 1080p blu despite 4K master. I wonder how they make that type of decision.

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by jacob mc candles

i'm fixated like you say, simply because that is indeed a glaring, or rather 4, glaring continuity errors, 2 of which could have easily been avoided, the hat and body's position. So, if you don't mind watching the last shot of a dead miller in a christ position and with his hat on, i'm sure you'll love it even more on 4k :d

know what? In a traditional job, 4 errors like that wouldn't be acceptable and definitely wouldn't deserve any praises.

Rio bravo is vastly superior to high noon, doesn't feature any glaring continuity errors like these ( duke wayne would have said something at least for the hat and body position!) and still it's high noon with this rushed shot that got academy awards... Go figure...

k.

[Jacob Mc Candles]

Contrary to Zinnemann and his team, who obviously didn't care much for the movie they were making,Howard Hawks and Duke Wayne were professionnals and proved it with Rio Bravo.