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Old 02-06-2024, 09:43 PM   #21
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I do think the rumour mill has span out a little out of proportion here. I imagine the press release next week will be the begin of a drip feed and gradual shift as opposed to a huge splash. They will likely announce the likes of Bethesda and Activision games being cross-gen with perhaps timed exclusivity to Xbox or Gamepass, however it’s happening. Double AA stuff will get ported with the announcements of Hi-Fi Rush and some other stuff, likely confirmation of Starfield.

I doubt we’ll have stuff like Gears or Halo any time soon, I imagine it’ll be full meltdown if they even hinted that at this event, but clearly one day it’s coming.
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I do think the rumour mill has span out a little out of proportion here. I imagine the press release next week will be the begin of a drip feed and gradual shift as opposed to a huge splash. They will likely announce the likes of Bethesda and Activision games being cross-gen with perhaps timed exclusivity to Xbox or Gamepass, however it’s happening. Double AA stuff will get ported with the announcements of Hi-Fi Rush and some other stuff, likely confirmation of Starfield.

I doubt we’ll have stuff like Gears or Halo any time soon, I imagine it’ll be full meltdown if they even hinted that at this event, but clearly one day it’s coming.
Well said

As a PS5’r, only XBOX exclusive I’d be interested in is Hellblade 2.

(Slightly curious about the Indiana Jones game coming out in December)
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I doubt we’ll have stuff like Gears or Halo any time soon, I imagine it’ll be full meltdown if they even hinted that at this event, but clearly one day it’s coming.
Dunno.

It’s difficult to see MS 100% abandonment of “Console” seller games.

It would definitely make headlines as that would be a far-more radical move from MS. Putting Bethesda/Activision//////// games onto PS ain’t that big of a deal IMO.
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Here is what a lot of people are not understanding. Consumers who decided to stick it out with Xbox this generation, and only bought an Xbox, are actually feeling betrayed at the moment. Even by the rumor of Xbox console exclusives coming to PlayStation. Go on Twitter and read how a large majority of the community is feeling. In their minds, if the PlayStation is going to continue to have exclusive games and the Xbox is not, then they’re being given no reason to stick with Xbox. Because Phil Spencer has yet to deny the rumor, there are already people canceling their Game Pass Ultimate subscriptions and trading in their Series X consoles for a PS5. If Microsoft’s future is indeed Game Pass, putting their games on PS5 is more than likely going to cost them just as much money in subscription loss that they will gain in additional game sales. Especially with Sony taking a 30% cut on all sales.

It comes down to how things are still viewed in the console market. Honestly, console exclusives should have died out a long time ago. It would force companies to reel us in with their hardware, their ecosystem and their features, rather than a handful of exclusive games. The video game world still lives and breathes exclusives, however. This is why a lot of people are speculating that, if Microsoft is going to give their exclusives to PlayStation, they’re probably indicating that the future of Xbox consoles is coming to an end. Because in the console world, exclusives are your ONLY commodity. And how THAT is making Xbox users feel is that they’ve wasted all kinds of money on buying games for a digital library that may not exist in a few years. That they’ve wasted all kinds of time on earning achievements in games for a system that may not matter in a few years, unless they switch to PC. After sticking it out with Xbox, they were finally about to see a good number of exclusive titles in the next few years. That they would be rewarded after staying loyal through the disaster that was the Xbox One. And Microsoft giving up those exclusives is like having the rug pulled out from under their feet.

Sure, Sony was amidst a format war when they released the PS3. But they released it at twice the price of their competition. They were banking on the dominance of their brand to sustain the price gap. And, it cost them ground to the Xbox 360. It then pushed them to create a better ecosystem for the PlayStation. To make better first party titles. To take risks. Competition fuels the market. If this is Xbox waving the white flag, the future does not look very bright for console gaming.
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Here is what a lot of people are not understanding. Consumers who decided to stick it out with Xbox this generation, and only bought an Xbox, are actually feeling betrayed at the moment. Even by the rumor of Xbox console exclusives coming to PlayStation. Go on Twitter and read how a large majority of the community is feeling. In their minds, if the PlayStation is going to continue to have exclusive games and the Xbox is not, then they’re being given no reason to stick with Xbox. Because Phil Spencer has yet to deny the rumor, there are already people canceling their Game Pass Ultimate subscriptions and trading in their Series X consoles for a PS5. If Microsoft’s future is indeed Game Pass, putting their games on PS5 is more than likely going to cost them just as much money in subscription loss that they will gain in additional game sales. Especially with Sony taking a 30% cut on all sales.

It comes down to how things are still viewed in the console market. Honestly, console exclusives should have died out a long time ago. It would force companies to reel us in with their hardware, their ecosystem and their features, rather than a handful of exclusive games. The video game world still lives and breathes exclusives, however. This is why a lot of people are speculating that, if Microsoft is going to give their exclusives to PlayStation, they’re probably indicating that the future of Xbox consoles is coming to an end. Because in the console world, exclusives are your ONLY commodity. And how THAT is making Xbox users feel is that they’ve wasted all kinds of money on buying games for a digital library that may not exist in a few years. That they’ve wasted all kinds of time on earning achievements in games for a system that may not matter in a few years, unless they switch to PC. After sticking it out with Xbox, they were finally about to see a good number of exclusive titles in the next few years. That they would be rewarded after staying loyal through the disaster that was the Xbox One. And Microsoft giving up those exclusives is like having the rug pulled out from under their feet.

Sure, Sony was amidst a format war when they released the PS3. But they released it at twice the price of their competition. They were banking on the dominance of their brand to sustain the price gap. And, it cost them ground to the Xbox 360. It then pushed them to create a better ecosystem for the PlayStation. To make better first party titles. To take risks. Competition fuels the market. If this is Xbox waving the white flag, the future does not look very bright for console gaming.

Yup. Plus, you can have all the multiplatform, sports, racing, GAAS and MULTIPLAYER games you want.
But… The reason people buy CONSOLES is to play quality, exclusive, single player games.

It’s the ONE thing Microsoft failed at. They had MP hits, they have sports games, they have great service and value, they were the pioneers of online console gaming, they have everything on their platform they need to succeed except quality single player exclusives that Sony and Nintendo have in droves.

Think about it: Whats the difference between PlayStation and Xbox? They both offer the same exact stuff, one just has an onslaught of quality single player exclusives the other doesn't.

Nintendo? Oh yeah, quality single player exclusives.

Quality single player exclusives are what give your console an identity. They are the Game of The Year winners, which help give your console recognition. They are the games people talk about decades later.

Xbox doesn't have that. And it cost them their brand.
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Quality single player games are also starting to dry up. The cost to create them is not sustainable at current game prices, without micro transactions to make up the difference. It’s why we’re only seeing a handful of them release per year, now, across all platforms. And the vast majority of them are sequels with dedicated fan bases. Everything else single player is either remasters or remakes. The dev cycle on these large single player games is 4 - 5 years and they cost hundreds of millions of dollars to bankroll. If you can’t tell, Sony is struggling right now with content, themselves. Their drip of first party games has completely fallen off. The only actual first party Sony title releasing this year is probably going to be Foamstars. A multiplayer driven Splatoon rip off, and it was given away as a PlayStation Plus game. Their only first party release in all of 2023 was Spider-Man 2.
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Maybe they are exiting the console market to really put a strong focus on Zune
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Quality single player games are also starting to dry up.The cost to create them is not sustainable at current game prices, without micro transactions to make up the difference. It’s why we’re only seeing a handful of them release per year, now, across all platforms. And the vast majority of them are sequels with dedicated fan bases. Everything else single player is either remasters or remakes. The dev cycle on these large single player games is 4 - 5 years and they cost hundreds of millions of dollars to bankroll. If you can’t tell, Sony is struggling right now with content, themselves. Their drip of first party games has completely fallen off. The only actual first party Sony title releasing this year is probably going to be Foamstars. A multiplayer driven Splatoon rip off, and it was given away as a PlayStation Plus game. Their only first party release in all of 2023 was Spider-Man 2.
Hahaha!! No, single player games are not drying up. Not by a long shot! You just pulled that statement out of your ass!

Sonys recent State of Play...

Stellar Blade - single player
Rise of the Ronin - single player
Final Fantasy Rebirth - single player
Death Stranding 2 - single player
Dragons Dogma 2 - single player
Sonic Shadow Generations - single player
Judas - single player
Dave The Diver - single player
Zenless Zone Zero - single player
Until Dawn Remake - single player
Silent Hill 2 Remake - single player
Legendary Tales VR - single player
Metro Awakening VR - single player

The only multiplayer games they showed were Foamstars and Helldivers 2.

Xbox's recent showcase...

Hellblade 2 - single player
Avowed - single player
Indiana Jones - single player
Visions of Mana - single player
Ara: History Untold - single player

No multiplayer games shown

Other games announced...

Wolverine - single player
Light No Fire - single player and multiplayer
No Rest For The Wicked - single player
Clockwork Revolution - single player
Star Wars Outlaws - single player
GTA 6 - single player and multiplayer
Fable - single player
Pacific Drive - single player
South of Midnight - single player
Metaphor Re Fantazio - single player
Path of the Goddess - single player
Black Myth Wukong - single player
Lost Soul Aside - single player
Phantom Blade 0 - single player
The Plucky Squire - single player
Skull and Bones - single player and multiplayer

2024 Releases so far...

Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora - single player
Tekken 8 - single player and multiplayer
Persona 3 Reload - single player
Granblue Fantasy Relink - single player
Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown - single player
Like A Dragon: Infinite Wealth - single player
Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League - single player and multiplayer
Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty - single player


2023 releases...

Hogwarts Legacy - single player
Final Fantasy 16 - single player
Forspoken - single player
Horizon Burning Shores - single player
Horizon Call of the Mountain - single player
Zelda Tears of the Kingdom - single player
Spider-Man 2 - single player
Starfield - single player
Baldurs Gate 3 - single player
Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty - single player
Lies of P - single player
Alan Wake 2 - single player
Super Mario Bros Wonder - single player
Resident Evil 4 Remake - single player
Sea of Stars - single player
HiFi Rush - single player
Assassins Creed Mirage - single player
Forza Motorsport - single player and multiplayer

So no. Single player games are NOT drying up! Not in the immediate, nor the distant future!

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Here is what a lot of people are not understanding. Consumers who decided to stick it out with Xbox this generation, and only bought an Xbox, are actually feeling betrayed at the moment. Even by the rumor of Xbox console exclusives coming to PlayStation. Go on Twitter and read how a large majority of the community is feeling. In their minds, if the PlayStation is going to continue to have exclusive games and the Xbox is not, then they’re being given no reason to stick with Xbox. Because Phil Spencer has yet to deny the rumor, there are already people canceling their Game Pass Ultimate subscriptions and trading in their Series X consoles for a PS5. If Microsoft’s future is indeed Game Pass, putting their games on PS5 is more than likely going to cost them just as much money in subscription loss that they will gain in additional game sales. Especially with Sony taking a 30% cut on all sales.

It comes down to how things are still viewed in the console market. Honestly, console exclusives should have died out a long time ago. It would force companies to reel us in with their hardware, their ecosystem and their features, rather than a handful of exclusive games. The video game world still lives and breathes exclusives, however. This is why a lot of people are speculating that, if Microsoft is going to give their exclusives to PlayStation, they’re probably indicating that the future of Xbox consoles is coming to an end. Because in the console world, exclusives are your ONLY commodity. And how THAT is making Xbox users feel is that they’ve wasted all kinds of money on buying games for a digital library that may not exist in a few years. That they’ve wasted all kinds of time on earning achievements in games for a system that may not matter in a few years, unless they switch to PC. After sticking it out with Xbox, they were finally about to see a good number of exclusive titles in the next few years. That they would be rewarded after staying loyal through the disaster that was the Xbox One. And Microsoft giving up those exclusives is like having the rug pulled out from under their feet.

Sure, Sony was amidst a format war when they released the PS3. But they released it at twice the price of their competition. They were banking on the dominance of their brand to sustain the price gap. And, it cost them ground to the Xbox 360. It then pushed them to create a better ecosystem for the PlayStation. To make better first party titles. To take risks. Competition fuels the market. If this is Xbox waving the white flag, the future does not look very bright for console gaming.
The fact MS didn't melt their brains taking Xbox day and date to PC shows me its more about an irrational fan war mentality and i don't really give two craps about every idiot with the ability to share something online these days. Mostly it seems neither do corporations because money is the only language they respond to.

Xbox may still be used as a vehicle for a specific console experience but MS is not going to leave a load of money on the table if they think they can pad their bottom line and Sony just needs to be shown its enough to get over any optics. They already spun PlayStation games on PC afterall.

I think Halo is going to get a remake at some point soon for the original dated looking games and so is Gears ot War which will only be Xbox exclusive for a while before going to PC if not straight away.

I personally think if the traditional 3rd party studios games can come to PlayStation and we get to enjoy Elder Scrolls and Fallout etc. then that's what i'd really want. The MS/Xbox exclusives would just be a nice cherry if given.
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Hopefully this means Gears of War is coming to PlayStation.
I would love for Banjo Kazooie and Perfect Dark to be on PlayStation as well.
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Xbox content creators need to cut the shit. They're not upset as gamers because MS might be putting their games on PlayStation. They're upset because they're afraid it's going to negatively affect their subscriber base.
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Microsoft Isn’t Going Fully Multiplatform or Exiting the Console Market, Says Leaker


https://wccftech.com/microsoft-isnt-...t-says-leaker/



As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.

Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.

People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.

Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.

The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.
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Microsoft Isn’t Going Fully Multiplatform or Exiting the Console Market, Says Leaker


https://wccftech.com/microsoft-isnt-...t-says-leaker/

As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.

Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.

People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.

Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.

The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.
I already knew not every game would be released tbh. Dip the toes and make some money was the main goal, but since Series X is already x86 based, to bring it over to PS5 wouldn't be as difficult from a technical PoV but i definitely think it's much more 3rd part style publishers like Bethesda and Activision games rather than direct MS exclusive studios and IPs they had prior.
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Microsoft Isn’t Going Fully Multiplatform or Exiting the Console Market, Says Leaker


https://wccftech.com/microsoft-isnt-...t-says-leaker/



As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.

Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.

People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.

Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.

The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.
I don't think anybody is expecting one day to turn on their PS5 and suddenly the entire Xbox library will be there. Yes, of course They're going to start slow and use select titles to test the waters. But let's stop taking the "copium" and not act like we don't know how this is eventually going to play out. Phil Spencer himself said they will never be able to out console Sony and Nintendo. They themselves admitted defeat. So why not put your titles everywhere and make some money? The console war is over! Plus, and I don't mean to step on toes here, I don't think a lot of the Xbox die hards truly appreciate just how insignificant the Xbox brand is globally. Their only market of consequence is the US and they are losing in that market as well. As for the rest of the world, Xbox is a ghost! MS is not going to continue down this path of subsidizing the Xbox division out of pride or loyalty to their userbase. They will continue to provide hardware, yes. They still have Xbox Game Pass subscribers they want to hold onto. But you're naive if you don't think this is just the beginning and it will lead to more and more titles coming over.

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https://wccftech.com/microsoft-isnt-...t-says-leaker/



As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.

Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.

People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.

Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.

The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.
Thats been the rumor since this all became a discussion last week
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Here is what a lot of people are not understanding. Consumers who decided to stick it out with Xbox this generation, and only bought an Xbox, are actually feeling betrayed at the moment. Even by the rumor of Xbox console exclusives coming to PlayStation. Go on Twitter and read how a large majority of the community is feeling. In their minds, if the PlayStation is going to continue to have exclusive games and the Xbox is not, then they’re being given no reason to stick with Xbox. Because Phil Spencer has yet to deny the rumor, there are already people canceling their Game Pass Ultimate subscriptions and trading in their Series X consoles for a PS5. If Microsoft’s future is indeed Game Pass, putting their games on PS5 is more than likely going to cost them just as much money in subscription loss that they will gain in additional game sales. Especially with Sony taking a 30% cut on all sales.

It comes down to how things are still viewed in the console market. Honestly, console exclusives should have died out a long time ago. It would force companies to reel us in with their hardware, their ecosystem and their features, rather than a handful of exclusive games. The video game world still lives and breathes exclusives, however. This is why a lot of people are speculating that, if Microsoft is going to give their exclusives to PlayStation, they’re probably indicating that the future of Xbox consoles is coming to an end. Because in the console world, exclusives are your ONLY commodity. And how THAT is making Xbox users feel is that they’ve wasted all kinds of money on buying games for a digital library that may not exist in a few years. That they’ve wasted all kinds of time on earning achievements in games for a system that may not matter in a few years, unless they switch to PC. After sticking it out with Xbox, they were finally about to see a good number of exclusive titles in the next few years. That they would be rewarded after staying loyal through the disaster that was the Xbox One. And Microsoft giving up those exclusives is like having the rug pulled out from under their feet.

Sure, Sony was amidst a format war when they released the PS3. But they released it at twice the price of their competition. They were banking on the dominance of their brand to sustain the price gap. And, it cost them ground to the Xbox 360. It then pushed them to create a better ecosystem for the PlayStation. To make better first party titles. To take risks. Competition fuels the market. If this is Xbox waving the white flag, the future does not look very bright for console gaming.
I was wondering about that too. Fan loyalty and all. With that in mind, if Bethesda games are potentially porting over to PS5 a year after release on XBSXS, then it's only fair that the studios Sony bought to be exclusive recently should port those games a year after release to XBSX from PS5, like Bunjee and whoever else Sony bought of the 12 studio acquisitions.

I do wish it was a free for all and consoles were like DVD, blu ray UHD players where there aren't any exclusive titles per format. Unlike back in the early HDDVD vs Blu Ray days where each format did the same thing, but had exclusive titles. That was BS.
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I got a series x last week because I was sure the Indiana Jones game and future Doom games weren't going to PlayStation. Then this happens. Just my luck!
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I got a series x last week because I was sure the Indiana Jones game and future Doom games weren't going to PlayStation. Then this happens. Just my luck!
Sorry to hear that. Not sure what the full situation is just yet. They did say big exclusives will remain on XBSX. I guess that means Gears of War and Halo, Crackdown, etc. and Forza games. Those will not ship over to PS5 any time soon or that would really anger the XBSXS fans understandably for those who are very loyalty based.

I was considering buying XBSX if a Fallout 5 released on there, but now I have a newer PC and already played Starfield, which was just okay but not great, so my ambition is tempered for XBSX for now, with PC.

But this could take more than a year to unfold, maybe by 2025 for certain games.

I hope Bethesda games release on PS5 a year after they were on XBSX. I can handle a year wait, no issue. Bethesda was always 3rd party, so it was very disappointing when they traded sides midwar after the 2020 releases of the consoles. An unfair move, and so was Sony buying Bunjee (Spelling?).
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