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Old 11-26-2024, 06:27 PM   #1
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Saw the new restoration two days ago and absolutely loved it. I will definitely be picking this up.
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Old 11-26-2024, 06:44 PM   #2
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Would like to revisit this Tarkovsky film if this is a good release
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Old 11-26-2024, 07:19 PM   #3
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Andrei Rublev, his best IMHO should get a 4k but I read a while ago there is some issues with rights.
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Old 02-06-2025, 09:03 PM   #4
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Directed by Andrei Tarkovsky (1988, a documentary) in HD?
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Old 02-07-2025, 01:49 AM   #5
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Directed by Andrei Tarkovsky (1988, a documentary) in HD?
Maybe his son? Because Andrei probably died b4 88.
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Old 02-07-2025, 05:27 AM   #6
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Maybe his son? Because Andrei probably died b4 88.
That's it, I'm changing my handle to TarintinoTarkavsky.
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Old 02-07-2025, 06:44 AM   #7
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Maybe his son? Because Andrei probably died b4 88.
Michal Leszczylowski https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095967/

Unfortunately, Directed by Andrei Tarkovsky (1988, a documentary) on second disc - in SD PQ

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Old 02-12-2025, 09:41 PM   #8
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Has anyone seen this disc yet? It's been out for a week and no review anywhere.
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Old 02-13-2025, 06:50 AM   #9
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Has anyone seen this disc yet? It's been out for a week and no review anywhere.
I received mine a few days ago from Target but wasn't planning to watch it anytime soon. I just saw this in theaters last month so it's not high on my to-do list.
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Old 02-17-2025, 06:35 PM   #10
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Has anyone seen this disc yet? It's been out for a week and no review anywhere.
Yeah, I'm going to get this 4K even though the double disc Blu-Ray from Kino was perfect IMHO. I'm in the mood for cyclical nuclear Holocaust subject and existentialism from the Late Tarkovsky plus it's his last film...maybe his best in a lot of ways. Underrated. Nevermind no HDR right? Then just spin the old BluRay for me. Shucks.
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Old 02-19-2025, 11:18 AM   #11
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I've never heard of this before, but it sounds great and the trailer was haunting... Ordered!
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Old 02-20-2025, 08:57 PM   #12
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any updates on how this one is compared to the blu-ray?
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Old 02-20-2025, 09:50 PM   #13
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any updates on how this one is compared to the blu-ray?
Even though I haven’t seen the disc yet (my copy only shipped today) but when looking at the trailer, the new restoration looks much, much better than the previous one they did in France. I have a good feeling and am excited to check it out.
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Old 02-21-2025, 01:51 AM   #14
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Even though I haven’t seen the disc yet (my copy only shipped today) but when looking at the trailer, the new restoration looks much, much better than the previous one they did in France. I have a good feeling and am excited to check it out.
I'm thinking you're paying for a better compression/sharper and more defined picture if buying new 1080p SDR vs 2160p SDR. That's what Nostalgia did in 2160p SDR compared to the 1080p SDR.

I'll wait longer because I have had the 1080p SDR already, and been a Tarkovsky fan for 10 years so have a lot of his Blu Rays. Owning the 4K of Nostalgia SDR the upgrade will be very similar.

Stuff like The Mirror, and The Sacrifice go hard on FIRE and being well lit movies so HDR/DV for me. Gonna just wait here like 10 years for them releases with HDR/DV bruh. Enjoy The Sacrifice. Solaris I will buy without HDR/DV because Criterion is sub par DVD quality on the Blu-Ray.
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Old 02-21-2025, 11:56 AM   #15
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I'm thinking you're paying for a better compression/sharper and more defined picture if buying new 1080p SDR vs 2160p SDR. That's what Nostalgia did in 2160p SDR compared to the 1080p SDR.

I'll wait longer because I have had the 1080p SDR already, and been a Tarkovsky fan for 10 years so have a lot of his Blu Rays. Owning the 4K of Nostalgia SDR the upgrade will be very similar.

Stuff like The Mirror, and The Sacrifice go hard on FIRE and being well lit movies so HDR/DV for me. Gonna just wait here like 10 years for them releases with HDR/DV bruh. Enjoy The Sacrifice. Solaris I will buy without HDR/DV because Criterion is sub par DVD quality on the Blu-Ray.
It just isn’t.

That & the Artificial Eye blu rays are perfectly serviceable, not perfect but not the disaster you make out.
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Old 02-28-2025, 02:10 AM   #16
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Well I tried out the Kino Collection Stream of The Sacrifice on HDMI 3/Firestick, and then paused it and hopped over on HDMI 4 PS5 with the Blu-Ray.

The Kino Collection Stream beats the old Blu-Ray easily for picture quality so I'd say the stream is the 4K newer version version of. It looks like they did a fantastic job and I'm going to wait for a sale and upgrade to the new 4K disc here. I wonder if it's 100GB though.
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Old 03-03-2025, 02:45 PM   #17
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Old 03-04-2025, 09:20 PM   #18
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I finally received my copy of The Sacrifice today. Being a huge Tarkovsky fan, this was easily my most anticipated release of the year so far and I couldn’t wait to compare this with the 2018 KL BD, which I haven’t watched since 2020.

After having somehow mentally conditioned myself over the years to disavow the 2018 Éclair restoration as being unbearably yellow, I must say it’s not that bad of a grade. On a properly set-up display, the grade looks fine and serves the film well. It’s not 100% naturalistic but it doesn’t corrupt that much detail either. There are way worse yellow grades from Ritrovata. I would’ve been totally fine had KL decided to put that master out in 4K SDR. The BD encode isn’t extraordinary but I’ve seen worse from them. It’s a solid release in the AV department and I’ll say right away *for people who only buy and watch BDs* they should probably keep the 2018 release and don’t bother with the new UHD combo pack as it doesn’t offer that much more than what the 2018 offers. (Everyone else don’t worry).

Why? The BD encode of the new master is inferior and sometimes quite noticeably so, particularly in a lengthy section of the film where colors have been heavily desaturated into monochrome. During these sections, the new BD is mushy and rather poorly defined with grain appearing buzzy whereas the 2018 BD remains more stable. During the rest of the film and particularly when OCN shots are involved, it’s apparent that the encoder used a low-pass filter and detail suffers noticeably. I don’t think this is that big an issue on the old BD as it appears a touch sharper and less “digital”. (But then again, I doubt that BD-only viewers in 2025 are that concerned about pixel-peeping and would probably be fine with it. )

Now finally to the new stuff, which is very exciting. The master was made in 2023 and, as already known, commissioned by the Swedish Film Institute from the original negative and a duplicate negative & a “magnetic tape” for sound. The SFI’s work is generally excellent as made evident across the Ingmar Bergman restorations and they undertook the effort in restoring the original look of the film as envisioned by Tarkovsky and his phenomenal DP, Sven Nykvist.

This is apparently from the first “proper” shot after the (Swedish) credits as colors appear less warm compared to the Éclair master. I think the main difference in colors can be boiled down to a shift in color temperature from a rather warm appearance to a clearer, more natural one without a dramatic alteration in the actual colors themselves. What I’m getting at is that the new master doesn’t drastically reinvent the film’s visuals but gently dialed back the warmth the French master evokes. It’s clear that what the SFI did is excellent and benefits the film. I wouldn’t want to go back to the other master any more now.

Image detail is excellent. The exteriors, which were likely shot on a slow stock, look especially spectacular with thin, fine grain and interiors are just as great with outstanding textures. Highlights are nicely graded. I can see where HDR might’ve given them a subtle touch of extra detail during exteriors but there’s nothing to worry about as the grade handles the highlights as gently as the rest. There’s no grain management whatsoever, which benefits the heavily stylized segment of the film I mentioned earlier in particular as a large part was most likely sourced from the duplicate negative SFI mentioned.

Kino’s encode is overall fine but struggles with the highlights. As grain is so fine in exteriors, it’s actually not as aggressively noticeable (unlike Nostalghia) but if you look closely there’s some blocking going on. As always, thanks to the master having been given to them in SDR the encode is largely intact but for some reason, their encoding preset throttled bitrates during the monochromatic segments of the film that were scanned from the duplicate negative roughly into BD territory (~20 MB/s range). As so often, these softwares treat rather static shots with large bright or dark areas and little dithering grain as opportunities to save on valuable bits. I’m glad it’s not as dramatic in motion as it sounds but I’d bet another authoring house would squeeze out more detail here.

But that’s not all. SFI’s sound restoration also treated us with a surprise as the new 2.0 mix, which is a dual mono track according to the back cover, is wonderful and improves on the 2018 mix from L.E. Diapason.
There are scenes in the film with very distinct, piercing and surprising sounds usually reserved to blockbusters instead of films with a more subdued soundscape and these are so loud, precise and sharp in the new mix that I was worried about my soundbar. Gentle LFE is also perceptible. I hope that those who’ve seen the film know which sounds I mean but in all previous BD versions of the film I’ve seen, these sounded rather subdued and muddled. Everything else from music to dialogue and ambient sounds is crystal clear to my ears and feels almost like newly recorded. I can’t wait to see the film in full and experience the entire new mix.

Extras are the ones from the BD but Kino unfortunately didn’t carry over the booklet with excerpts from Tarkovsky’s diary and a great essay by Robert Bird. The bonus documentary, “Directed by Andrei Tarkovsky”, which KL put on a DVD in 2018, is now part of the BD together with the film and is again presented in SD.

I hope everyone enjoys their copies and supports more Tarkovsky and foreign-language cinema in 4K. We need much more like this on the format.
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Curious if Curzon will release this or at least a 4K-remastered BD? Hesitant to buy Kino discs going forward given all the recent instances of a UK label putting out a far better disc.
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I love this movie. There is such a cool message about the wheel of time in it and personal goals/achievements. Circularity of life. Probably more themes. That's why I want this 4K, and will get it soon. I really wish I had a 4K projector RN well when my Epson 1080p bites the dust...we shall...

This is from Nostaligia before this film where the lead of this film is going nowhere on a bike...in The Sacrifice he goes places which is cool.


I recommend watching these together I think of them as a set where The Sacrifice is Part 2 and Nostalghia is Part 1. These are actually my favorites of his.
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