Saw IV 4K Steelbook (Amazon Exclusive)

[Bobafett345]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

You realize in the year 2025 barely anyone collects physical media. This is the reason why most brick and mortar stores don’t carry physical media anymore. It’s not crazy to think companies aren’t willing to make thousands and thousands of copies of movies anymore or willing to sell every movie in a franchise individually on the same day, because the small percentage of people that do still buy movies physically probably can’t afford to buy all 10 movies on the same day when they’re $35 each.

"Barely anyone" yet still pulls in a billion a year.

The reason brick and mortar aren't carrying a lot of products (not just media) is online retailers are crushing them, so they are reducing their retail footprint.

As for steelbooks, unless scanvo says otherwise their minimum run is 4000. So if you want to make the argument that they didn't want to spend that much doing a run for all ten movies, that makes more sense that they suddenly care about customers' wallets.

If anyone can make that argument with a straight face after the pandemic, I have a bridge to sell you.

[mrlanphear]

Originally Posted by Bobafett345

Now you guys care about saturating the market?

Clearly, I don't speak for the industry as a whole. But it's just not smart business to release everything at once in many cases. You do it piecemeal, you build anticipation, keep people engaged. Obviously not every company does that, and even those who do don't do so with every release, and there are always exceptions where not doing so makes sense, but it's a good general way to go.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by Bobafett345

"Barely anyone" yet still pulls in a billion a year.

The reason brick and mortar aren't carrying a lot of products (not just media) is online retailers are crushing them, so they are reducing their retail footprint.

As for steelbooks, unless scanvo says otherwise their minimum run is 4000. So if you want to make the argument that they didn't want to spend that much doing a run for all ten movies, that makes more sense that they suddenly care about customers' wallets.

If anyone can make that argument with a straight face after the pandemic, I have a bridge to sell you.

If you seriously believe most people in this day and age collect or buy physical media. I have a bridge to sell you.

I don’t know anyone personally (outside of the internet) who’s bought a movie in any physical format in years. Everyone I’ve spoken to in person looks at me weird when I even mention my collection or has some smart comment to say to the effect of “why don’t you just watch it on Netflix?”. This is a niche hobby. And have you even seen the amount of money those of us who still buy movies physically spend a year on this stuff? That number you threw out doesn’t surprise me, but that’s our doing. To think the masses of the general public out there are buying movies, is just delusional.

[BluMan28]

Originally Posted by mrlanphear

Clearly, I don't speak for the industry as a whole. But it's just not smart business to release everything at once in many cases. You do it piecemeal, you build anticipation, keep people engaged. Obviously not every company does that, and even those who do don't do so with every release, and there are always exceptions where not doing so makes sense, but it's a good general way to go.

I get the argument, but all it takes is a teensy bit of communication from the studio, Amazon, or both to say that's what they're doing. Otherwise we can't assume more are coming or not.

[Bobafett345]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

If you seriously believe most people in this day and age collect or buy physical media. I have a bridge to sell you.

Let's take things not posted for $5000, Alex.

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

I don’t know anyone personally (outside of the internet) who’s bought a movie in any physical format in years. Everyone I’ve spoken to in person looks at me weird when I even mention my collection or has some smart comment to say to the effect of “why don’t you just watch it on Netflix?”.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

This is a niche hobby. And have you even seen the amount of money those of us who still buy movies physically spend a year on this stuff? That number you threw out doesn’t surprise me, but that’s our doing.

So, which is it?

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

It’s not crazy to think companies aren’t willing to make thousands and thousands of copies of movies anymore or willing to sell every movie in a franchise individually on the same day, because the small percentage of people that do still buy movies physically probably can’t afford to buy all 10 movies on the same day when they’re $35 each.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by Bobafett345

Let's take things not posted for $5000, Alex.



The plural of anecdote is not data.



So, which is it?

I don’t see what you’re trying to prove here. Nothing in what I’ve stated has contradicted anything. Yes the percentage of people who buy physical media is very small. We are just a drop in the bucket of the 8 billion people who live on this planet. Regardless of the amount we spend on it, it doesn’t mean most of the population still buys it. So I’m lot sure what point you’re trying to make.

[RillIris]

Originally Posted by BluMan28

I get the argument, but all it takes is a teensy bit of communication from the studio, Amazon, or both to say that's what they're doing. Otherwise we can't assume more are coming or not.

This isn’t the first time a studio has done this sort of wave approach, but better communication would indeed be nice. It’s when it’s not a wave that I really get concerned, we got Friday the 13th on 4K one year, it’s sequel the next but only in a box set, and so far nothing on more coming or not. General reception has not been kind to Paramount on those releases either, so hoping we may get a sudden shift to a boutique label release for 1-8.

On Saw glad it’s looking good for these at least including 2 cuts each, even if the unrated may only be on the BD and not 4K. Also hoping they give Jigsaw a matching SteelBook as well, it’ll be the only entry lacking one of the modern Lionsgate SteelBooks with the slipcover, plus the prior SteelBook wasn’t 4K anyway

[Bobafett345]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Regardless of the amount we spend on it, it doesn’t mean most of the population still buys it. So I’m lot sure what point you’re trying to make.

Please point out where I indicated "most of the population buys physical."

Or admit you're putting words in my mouth.

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Nothing in what I’ve stated has contradicted anything. Yes the percentage of people who buy physical media is very small. We are just a drop in the bucket of the 8 billion people who live on this planet.

Except for in your first post I quoted we're too poor the buy an entire wave if it's released at once, but in the second we're all so loaded we're the niche buyers single handedly responsible for that billion a year keeping physical media alive.

But keep going on about small numbers of PEOPLE. I'm talking about, you know...what actually matters in business: MONEY.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by Bobafett345

Please point out where I indicated "most of the population buys physical."

Or admit you're putting words in my mouth.



Except for in your first post I quoted we're too poor the buy an entire wave if it's released at once, but in the second we're all so loaded we're the niche buyers single handedly responsible for that billion a year keeping physical media alive.

But keep going on about small numbers of PEOPLE. I'm talking about, you know...what actually matters in business: MONEY.

There’s a big difference between collectors in total generating 1 billion (or so you say) in money spent on physical media a year, and everyone buying $350 worth of movies on the same day.

My original reply was stating it’s not hard to believe studios believe $350 would be too much for everyone who still buys physical media, to spend all at once. And it’s true. I may spend a few thousand a year in buying physical media, but I’m not so keen on dropping $350 on 10 movies on one release date. Much smarter for them to release these in waves and spread it out. Especially since it’s not like these are the only movies being released. They are competing with other studios and labels who are also releasing lots of stuff. It’s impossible for every collector to buy everything all on the same day. That was my whole point.

[critterdvd]

As much as I want the series in 4k with the new features. But not at $35 a pop. Hopefully an Og series box set will be released.

[Bobafett345]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

There’s a big difference between collectors in total generating 1 billion (or so you say) in money spent

I never said it was just collectors. You seem hung up on that idea (based on anecdote).

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

I may spend a few thousand a year in buying physical media, but I’m not so keen on dropping $350 on 10 movies on one release date.

In other words, roughly 10% of your budget (let's go with the low end of "few thousand"), or equal to roughly one steelbook box set of that size. Which is something most places generally don't bat an eye at when making the kinds of considerations we're discussing.

They would just as soon you put it on your credit card (that they're all too happy to offer you) than worry about you not buying. Because they'll never consider you not buying, especially for something like this.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by Bobafett345

I never said it was just collectors. You seem hung up on that idea (based on anecdote).



In other words, roughly 10% of your budget (let's go with the low end of "few thousand"), or equal to roughly one steelbook box set of that size. Which is something most places generally don't bat an eye at when making the kinds of considerations we're discussing.

They would just as soon you put it on your credit card (that they're all too happy to offer you) than worry about you not buying. Because they'll never consider you not buying, especially for something like this.

You’re assuming a Saw box set would cost $350 which it would not. Individually each steelbook costs $35 but usually box sets get you more of a deal since you’re buying everything together. For example, the NOES Steelbook box set is $167. The Steelbook for the first movie was about $35 on its own which would come out to around $245 if they were following your logic. So no spending $350 on 10 steelbooks all at once isn’t feasible for everyone. It makes a whole lot more sense business wise to spread the releases out, if they’re set on doing single releases rather than a box set. Like I said, they’re competing with other studios and other labels who are also releasing stuff as well.

[Bobafett345]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

You’re assuming a Saw box set would cost $350 which it would not. Individually each steelbook costs $35 but usually box sets get you more of a deal since you’re buying everything together. For example, the NOES Steelbook box set is $167. The Steelbook for the first movie was about $35 on its own which would come out to around $245 if they were following your logic. So no spending $350 on 10 steelbooks all at once isn’t feasible for everyone. It makes a whole lot more sense business wise to spread the releases out, if they’re set on doing single releases rather than a box set. Like I said, they’re competing with other studios and other labels who are also releasing stuff as well.

That's a whole lot of words to tell me you didn't actually read what I posted before replying.

I didn't say it WAS a box set. I COMPARED it to a box set in terms of the amount of money one might spend in a single transaction.

But interesting how you chose a box set to go with that was three movies shy so you could go "a ha, see a box set is cheaper!"

Let's go with one that actually has ten movies:

Star Trek, ten movie steelbook set:
https://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/star-t.../11279871.html

UK £249.90, comes out to $336 and change.

Which doesn't change any of the previous points I made about the percentage of budget, having a customer charge vs not buying, and so on.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by Bobafett345

That's a whole lot of words to tell me you didn't actually read what I posted before replying.

I didn't say it WAS a box set. I COMPARED it to a box set in terms of the amount of money one might spend in a single transaction.

But interesting how you chose a box set to go with that was three movies shy so you could go "a ha, see a box set is cheaper!"

Let's go with one that actually has ten movies:

Star Trek, ten movie steelbook set:
https://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/star-t.../11279871.html

UK £249.90, comes out to $336 and change.

Which doesn't change any of the previous points I made about the percentage of budget, having a customer charge vs not buying, and so on.

You are completely missing the point. You obviously can’t comprehend what I’ve been saying, so I’m just going to leave it at this…

At the end of the day. All we’re getting is these 3 Saw steelbooks and we’ll get the rest later at some point. Whether you like it, or don’t or can’t comprehend why they chose to do it this way, doesn’t matter. Deal with it.

[Bobafett345]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

You are completely missing the point. You obviously can’t comprehend what I’ve been saying, so I’m just going to leave it at this…

At the end of the day. All we’re getting is these 3 Saw steelbooks and we’ll get the rest later at some point. Whether you like it, or don’t or can’t comprehend why they chose to do it this way, doesn’t matter. Deal with it.

Bad comparisons and anecdote are just that. It's doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out either.

It's a discussion forum, what people don't like, like, and "wow (company/artist/studio) did something I like/dislike!" and so on (as in the case with amazon not being clear on the when/if on continuing with these releases...more on that in a minute) is literally the whole point of people posting here.

If people discussing that is an issue, that sounds like a "you" problem more than anything.

And here's why IV is a dumb stopping point for these:

[Show spoiler]Hoffman is just revealed to be part of Jigsaw's crew. Which means if they were looking for a "logical" break in the releases they would have stopped at III. Because now they are left with going until the end of the story arc, which concludes at Saw 3D.

And yes, there's more movies after this, but prequels, sort of sequels and spin offs aren't really core to the central story of Jigsaw and his merry band of misfits.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by Bobafett345

Bad comparisons and anecdote are just that. It's doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out either.

It's a discussion forum, what people don't like, like, and "wow (company/artist/studio) did something I like/dislike!" and so on (as in the case with amazon not being clear on the when/if on continuing with these releases...more on that in a minute) is literally the whole point of people posting here.

If people discussing that is an issue, that sounds like a "you" problem more than anything.

And here's why IV is a dumb stopping point for these:

[Show spoiler]Hoffman is just revealed to be part of Jigsaw's crew. Which means if they were looking for a "logical" break in the releases they would have stopped at III. Because now they are left with going until the end of the story arc, which concludes at Saw 3D.

And yes, there's more movies after this, but prequels, sort of sequels and spin offs aren't really core to the central story of Jigsaw and his merry band of misfits.

Cool story.

[Bobafett345]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Cool story.

Thanks.