Blu-ray, not just successor to DVD-Video but also to audio CD...

[solskei]

Originally Posted by lateralus85

And cds are dieing rather quickly. People are not using cd players anymore but mp3 players. Infact i cannot remember last time i listened to a cd. I only listen to a few artist and normally i buy their music and rip it on my computer before i listen to the album a few times on the ps3. After that i can handle mp3 audio.

And what makes you think people are going to pay even more money for blu when they're just gonna rip it to their computer and put it on their mp3 player?

[Mystique]

Interesting.

[yspkrk]

Give me blu-audio or I'll stick with vinyl-the best sound available.

[Chevypower]

BD-Audio? I just can't be bothered with that, I'm sticking to my iPod. I tried SACD, i am not a huge fan of multi-channel studio recordings of music, it works for concert Blu Ray video and DVD only, in my opinion.

[hardcore_canadian]

I think CDs are at the Peak of Convenience for Audio, and unless they switch to SD cards, CDs are the final progression in that industry.

However, I don't agree that downloads are the future of music. People that want music to sound like music, and not garbage will still buy CDs and SACD or DVD Audio

[statikcat]

CD is already extremely high quality. The audio on a cd is better than a DVD (aside from surround sound). Audio and video are two different beats - audio is much easier and was conquered a long time ago. If anything replaces cd it will be mobile players. Especially once hard drives in them get big enough to hold uncompressed audio..maybe before then.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by statikcat

CD is already extremely high quality. The audio on a cd is better than a DVD (aside from surround sound).

There are a number of DVD's with better audio quality than CD. The recent "Live at Piedmont Park" from Dave Matthews Band for example has a 24/48 2.0 PCM track which is better than the CD version. I much prefer choosing this option over the 5.1 Dolby Digital that was also included.

CD is definitely not "extremely high quality" in my book - it pales in comparison to SACD and DVD-Audio stereo tracks.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by emm7th

An interesting read:

Record Labels Ignore Blu-ray Format To Replace The Ailing CD

Interesting read indeed. I've been waiting to buy more CDs thinking Blu-ray would eventually come out with high quality music on their format. Then that way, I can enjoy superior audio, and when portable convenience is needed, simply rip that--the Blu-ray Audio disc--into iTunes.

I think it would be a win-win for the music labels, and spur purchasing from a good number of consumers wanting "the next big thing."

[PeteS]

I think that Blu-ray does provide an opportunity for the 'music' label companies but not as audio only which is a difficult sell. Blu-ray audio presented with visual content, such as concert footage, interviews, etc, would make some desirable titles. I'd buy them and I think a lot of others would as well.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by emm7th

I was pondering about it this morning...

If SACD/DVD-Audio both failed to penetrate the market, why not capitalize on the Blu-ray's success

What Success???? If people wanted to pay more for better audio, like myself, SACD would have had success....... in the grand scheme of things, Blu-Ray hasn't achieved very much "success" yet. DVD and Regular CD are still the top dogs...

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Classical was the early big DDD on CD. How about showing the video of the new recordings? That would be cool.

Would be perfect for opera. Hi-res multichannel audio, and you can actually see what's going on without field glasses.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

What Success???? If people wanted to pay more for better audio, like myself, SACD would have had success....... in the grand scheme of things, Blu-Ray hasn't achieved very much "success" yet. DVD and Regular CD are still the top dogs...

I think people do (want better sound, but this doesn't necessarily correlate to paying more as that might be the case initially, but will eventually will be the same as CD), but that is precisely why it is important to have a unified format and for all the music labels involved in driving home that unified format. SACD competed against DVD Audio which of course led to consumer confusion and a failed next gen physical format--and thus, the assumption that people don't want to pay more for better audio.

I think consumers will pay more for better audio, but it is IMPERATIVE that the message of the next-gen audio format is unified, and that marketing efforts drive home this message as well as relevant education--pamphlets, advertising, sound demos at stores showing the difference, etc.

[Anthony P]

CD is already extremely high quality. The audio on a cd is better than a DVD

not at all, CD might be lossless but it is also 44 kHz unlike DVD which is 48kHz or more and BD that can go all the way to 192khz. Many early audiophiles stayed away from CD because even though it did not have the added problems created by records they also fealt they lost too much of the richness of the sound.

[Anthony P]

What Success???? If people wanted to pay more for better audio, like myself, SACD would have had success....... in the grand scheme of things, Blu-Ray hasn't achieved very much "success" yet. DVD and Regular CD are still the top dogs...

not at all what happened was that the guy that wanted better sound went to person #1 and was told " Don't buy SACD, DVD-A is so much better" then he went to person #2 " Don't buy DVD-A, SACD is so much better" and then he went to the store and he either did not find any in the music section or one title he was interested in SACD and the other in DVD-A and he decided "I will wait and see what happens" and as most and too many waited to see what would happen they bought neither and they both died.

[Bobby Henderson]

And what makes you think people are going to pay even more money for blu when they're just gonna rip it to their computer and put it on their mp3 player?

Because they won't be able to rip the high quality tracks to their mp3 player.

The Blu-ray format is quite a bit more secure than SACD and DVD-A.

On top of that, there's really nothing to stop the music studios from including some MP3 and AAC files on the Blu-ray that can be offloaded to a computer or portable music player. We're already starting to see that sort of thing with Blu-ray movies featuring "digital copy" versions on the disc. The same thing can be done with music.

[AlexKx]

This is what I have been praying for the last number of years to happen. I have said that the music industry have GOT to adapt Blu-Ray as their new format so that old releases can have unreleased tracks, demos, outtakes, instrumentals, alternative versions of songs, different edits, remixes, making of's, recording ofs, documentary on the project, old and new interviews, short promotional films (music videos), and some great packaging. Except I also think the prices should be far closer to what regular c.d. prices were if they have all of these features. The Nine Inch nails price of $75 U.S. dollars is a joke. You have to be a fool to pay that much. That's the price of a box set for goodness sakes. No way that will last at that price. I don't even understand why new vinyl releases have become so expensive in that range over the last few years either. Pathetic.

Maybe this would be the great excuse to go back to packaging like vinyl just with better quality than the cardboard and have the Blu-Ray disc in it somewhere. As far as needing something portable would MP3s not work for that? Even then they could come up with portable Blu-Ray players. My question is why does there need to be a Blu-Ray Audio format? Why can't just regular Blu-Ray discs work for this? Especially if they are going to have hours of bonus features?

For whatever it is worth Neil Young is the first recording artist that I know about that is going to have his catelog put on Blu-Ray discs. Apparently it was all supposed to be released in the spring of this year 2008 but will now come out at the end of the year.

[cpgator]

Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

Because they won't be able to rip the high quality tracks to their mp3 player.

The Blu-ray format is quite a bit more secure than SACD and DVD-A.

On top of that, there's really nothing to stop the music studios from including some MP3 and AAC files on the Blu-ray that can be offloaded to a computer or portable music player. We're already starting to see that sort of thing with Blu-ray movies featuring "digital copy" versions on the disc. The same thing can be done with music.

Sorry, but this is the biggest downfall of SACD and the idea of BD audio. If people can't rip them, they don't want them. I want to listen to my music on my mp3 player, in my car which has a mp3 deck, on my home audio server, etc.

I did purchase many SACDs and DVD-As, but it really sucks to have to purchase the same title twice (on Hi Res and redbook) just so I can listen to it where I want. If you can't make a copy of it, it will not sell.

[Anthony P]

. If people can't rip them, they don't want them

so what part of his post did you miss?

Because they won't be able to rip the high quality tracks to their mp3 player.

On top of that, there's really nothing to stop the music studios from including some MP3 and AAC files on the Blu-ray that can be offloaded to a computer or portable music player

The idea is that 5.1 high quality is needed for the right (home) environment, while jogging or in the car you don't need quality just some background music. They sell you the high quality which benefits you in your HT and as a bonus you make a low quality copy for your MP3 player elsewhere.

[Bobby Henderson]

Originally Posted by cpgator

Sorry, but this is the biggest downfall of SACD and the idea of BD audio. If people can't rip them, they don't want them.

You might want to go back and carefully re-read what I posted.

It's quite feasible to include "digital copy" files of music on a secured Blu-ray disc. Movie studios are already doing it with movies. Rambo was announced as having an iTunes compatible copy of the movie included on the BD. Music companies could just as easily do the same thing in bundling copy-able MP3, AAC and standard LPCM files on the disc.

[Kuraudo]

Hello people..

NIN album is released on 24 bit BLU RAY right here.
http://ghosts.nin.com/main/order_options

Furthermore you can download the first 9 tracks FREE or buy mp3
for 36 tracks
OR get the entire super gift pack with cds, dvds and 24 bit music album on blu ray.

IF more artists start adding a blu ray to their album as well as the CD
that could very well be a COOL option, although very expensive.

What do you think of this business model? You can download or pay for it..
realizing that you're already downloading their album anyways.

BTW I'm one of those people fighting to keep disc formats alive by supporting artists and hard working movie workers, game devs by buying whenever possible.