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Grim Reaper · 03-11-2008, 09:57 PM

because none of you asked about the disc.

bhampton · 03-11-2008, 10:00 PM

Grim,

It's ok man. Don't sweat it.

It's best to try to let people know all the details if you want them to try to figure something out for you.

Sony is the type to dis-able just about any type of illegit stuff. They are high-profile that's why you won't find a code for getting around region code restrictions and stuff like that.

Be carefull with the torrent stuff. (Not that I know anything about it because I don't but I still suspect a disc image like that could be just about anything.)

-Brian

Grim Reaper · 03-11-2008, 10:02 PM

its not in an ISO.

WriteSimply · 03-12-2008, 02:33 AM

To the OP:

DTS CDs are typically treated as another CD Audio on every CD, DVD and BD player out there. Typically most people would have these players linked via digital optical or coax to a receiver to get the best sound however for boom boxes or mini-high fi, the tracks are automatically sent to the digital-analog converters.

If you have the PS3 connected to your receiver via optical, you have to set the audio to Bitstream and not PCM. That way you let your receiver decode the DTS audio. YOU ALSO HAVE TO disable the audio enhancements that the PS3 can do to CD audio; the PS3 can upsample CD audio from 44.1kHz to 88.2 and 176.4kHz. This way when the PS3 bitstreams the DTS signal, it is intact.

Another possible reason why you get noise instead of audio is that there never was a DTS CD released for Nirvana. What you got are either audio rips from the DVD or a fan 5.1 remix from the CDs. These encode would work as DTS CDs IF the audio is set to 44.1kHz. On DVDs, audio is at 44.8kHz so to work the audio has to be downsampled. Otherwise when the rip is encoded, the bitstream clashes with what the CD header is supposed to handle. The same thing with fan remix; if it was encoded at 44.8kHz it might not work as DTS CD.

fuad

PS3-Playb3yond · 03-12-2008, 02:35 AM

I have no idea what Sacd is.

ausamerika · 03-12-2008, 02:36 AM

Definitely sounds like a 5.1 homebrew... I heard there was a workaround for this on the PS3 (something akin to limiting the output of the system)... perhaps a Google search is in order for this...

In any case, if you really want the Nevermind experience, the MFSL CD is outstanding.... if you can find it.

un4gvn94538 · 03-12-2008, 02:42 AM

sacd: super audio cd. pink floyd dark side of the moon in surround

ausamerika · 03-12-2008, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

sacd: super audio cd. pink floyd dark side of the moon in surround

Totally... sold me on SACD. Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms is unbelievable too!

un4gvn94538 · 03-12-2008, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ausamerika

Totally... sold me on SACD. Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms is unbelievable too!

maybe ill try it with pure audio

j/k

Big Daddy · 03-12-2008, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS3-Playb3yond

I have no idea what Sacd is.

Read these two articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD

http://www.sonymusic.com/sacd/faq/index.html

ausamerika · 03-12-2008, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

maybe ill try it with pure audio

j/k

That's rough, buddy!

Tell you what... when the PS3 can actually bitstream DSD, I'll move up in the world and join you guys in Pure Audioland.

un4gvn94538 · 03-12-2008, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ausamerika

That's rough, buddy!

Tell you what... when the PS3 can actually bitstream DSD, I'll move up in the world and join you guys in Pure Audioland.

im not going to wait for dts ma decoding. im going for one of the new sony players coming this year for bitstreaming. i bet ill get that before my ps3 gets dts ma decoding.

ausamerika · 03-12-2008, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

im not going to wait for dts ma decoding. im going for one of the new sony players coming this year for bitstreaming. i bet ill get that before my ps3 gets dts ma decoding.

yeah, that too...

but DSD (direct stream digital) is [mostly] SACD specific. Right now, the PS3 converts the SACD's native DSD to LPCM and outputs it that way.

un4gvn94538 · 03-12-2008, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ausamerika

yeah, that too...

but DSD (direct stream digital) is [mostly] SACD specific. Right now, the PS3 converts the SACD's native DSD to LPCM and outputs it that way.

so how would my other player do it? i have a pioneer thats a few years old that does dvd dvda and sacd but only via 5.1 out

ausamerika · 03-12-2008, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

so how would my other player do it? i have a pioneer thats a few years old that does dvd dvda and sacd but only via 5.1 out

My totally-ignorant-to-your-system's-specs guess is that it was specifically designed to play those media and was actually capable of out-putting DSD... no one quite knows why the PS3 can't, as far as everything I've read can ascertain... it is, after all, their proprietary technology...

Big Daddy · 03-12-2008, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

so how would my other player do it? i have a pioneer thats a few years old that does dvd dvda and sacd but only via 5.1 out

To get direct DSD from a SACD player to a receiver, you need an i-link, HDMI, or multichannel analog output. The only disadvantage with multi-channel analog output is that you may not be able to perform bass management. Older Pioneer Elite DVD players such as DV-47Ai had an i-link that you could use to connect the DVD player to a Pioneer Elite receiver with a standard i-link (IEEE 1394) cable. Denon has its own proprietory one cable link for SACD. It is called the Denon Link.

PS3-Playb3yond · 03-12-2008, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper

when i try to play it. all i get is static.

Nirvana: Nevermind DTS

According to BD's links, SACDs can only be played on SACD players and I don't think the PS3 can play SACD.

This stuff is old anyway, I wonder why you're using it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Read these two articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD

http://www.sonymusic.com/sacd/faq/index.html

Thanks for the info Big Daddy.

un4gvn94538 · 03-12-2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS3-Playb3yond

According to BD's links, SACDs can only be played on SACD players and I don't think the PS3 can play SACD.

This stuff is old anyway, I wonder why you're using it?

Thanks for the info Big Daddy.

older ps3 models do support sacd playback. they actually sound nicer than stereo cds

PS3-Playb3yond · 03-12-2008, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

older ps3 models do support sacd playback. they actually sound nicer than stereo cds

Ok, well, then he must be using one of the new models.

un4gvn94538 · 03-12-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS3-Playb3yond

Ok, well, then he must be using one of the new models.

you have a 60 gig? look on the right side of the ps3 where the supported format symbols are. if yours support it ( i think all 60's do) its the third symbol

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03-11-2008, 09:57 PM	#21
Grim Reaper Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Let Me In! 4K collection:499 Blu-ray collection:2022 DVD collection:25 Trading Score:13	because none of you asked about the disc.

03-11-2008, 10:00 PM	#22
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:981 Blu-ray collection:2537 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	Grim, It's ok man. Don't sweat it. It's best to try to let people know all the details if you want them to try to figure something out for you. Sony is the type to dis-able just about any type of illegit stuff. They are high-profile that's why you won't find a code for getting around region code restrictions and stuff like that. Be carefull with the torrent stuff. (Not that I know anything about it because I don't but I still suspect a disc image like that could be just about anything.) -Brian

03-11-2008, 10:02 PM	#23
Grim Reaper Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Let Me In! 4K collection:499 Blu-ray collection:2022 DVD collection:25 Trading Score:13	its not in an ISO.

03-12-2008, 02:33 AM	#24
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	To the OP: DTS CDs are typically treated as another CD Audio on every CD, DVD and BD player out there. Typically most people would have these players linked via digital optical or coax to a receiver to get the best sound however for boom boxes or mini-high fi, the tracks are automatically sent to the digital-analog converters. If you have the PS3 connected to your receiver via optical, you have to set the audio to Bitstream and not PCM. That way you let your receiver decode the DTS audio. YOU ALSO HAVE TO disable the audio enhancements that the PS3 can do to CD audio; the PS3 can upsample CD audio from 44.1kHz to 88.2 and 176.4kHz. This way when the PS3 bitstreams the DTS signal, it is intact. Another possible reason why you get noise instead of audio is that there never was a DTS CD released for Nirvana. What you got are either audio rips from the DVD or a fan 5.1 remix from the CDs. These encode would work as DTS CDs IF the audio is set to 44.1kHz. On DVDs, audio is at 44.8kHz so to work the audio has to be downsampled. Otherwise when the rip is encoded, the bitstream clashes with what the CD header is supposed to handle. The same thing with fan remix; if it was encoded at 44.8kHz it might not work as DTS CD. fuad

03-12-2008, 02:35 AM	#25
PS3-Playb3yond Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Cincinnati, OH Blu-ray collection:19 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:13	I have no idea what Sacd is.

03-12-2008, 02:36 AM	#26
ausamerika Active Member Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Fort Meade, MD 4K collection:147 Blu-ray collection:473 DVD collection:42	Definitely sounds like a 5.1 homebrew... I heard there was a workaround for this on the PS3 (something akin to limiting the output of the system)... perhaps a Google search is in order for this... In any case, if you really want the Nevermind experience, the MFSL CD is outstanding.... if you can find it.

03-12-2008, 02:42 AM	#27
un4gvn94538 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Limbo (Bakersfield, Ca.) 4K collection:143 Blu-ray collection:811 DVD collection:54 Digital collection:1494 Trading Score:277	sacd: super audio cd. pink floyd dark side of the moon in surround

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