bose responds to the frequency response of their speakers

[Kuraudo]

What losers, thats all I got to say.

[Doc_Stew]

Bose strictly markets themselves to consumers that don't know any better. They think "Why would I buy these huge floor standing speakers when I can get these really tiny ones that will probably sound just as good?" It's just not possible, plain and simple.

This is why Bose is sold in J6P stores like BB and CC, along with their way overpriced HDTVs, HDM, Monster cables that they shove in your face, etc...

[radagast]

Originally Posted by saprano

I was reading the forums of audioholics when i came upon a thread about bose(they seem to everyware now, like the one im making now ) seems like sombody contacted then about there speakers and hear is what they had to say http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...t=38446&page=3

Just for clarity sake it's "their" not "there", "everywhere", "them", and "here" not "hear".

[radagast]

Originally Posted by BStecke

So an anechoic chamber changes the actual capabilities of speakers? Amazing! Maybe if I put a Honda Civic in an anechoic chamber it will have 1000 horsepower. I MUST have one of these rooms of magic!

Actually, it's the other way around. Bose is right when they say a room colors the sound of speakers. One speaker will sound different in one room than another. The same speaker will even sound different if it is put in a different location in the same room. That's why other manufacturers test their speakers on an anechoic room just to get the performance of the speaker by itself with no other factors affecting the response.

On the other hand, they could publish the response on the basic speaker AFTER the active EQ is on. And the post about Bose using paper drivers is spot on.

[blu2]

Originally Posted by guitarist155

when i start making amps i am not going to post the wattage because people might have rooms of different sizes and different speakers

Ah, wattage. Now there's something you can take to the bank in terms of how vendors (in)consistently publish power ratings in their spec sheets.

Bose and Monster are easy targets, but how does this thread relate to Blu Ray?

There's this forum over here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=67

and even a thread on Bose: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=42602

[Brandon B]

For those curious about FR of Bose, this guy's site has some decent measurements, which pretty clearly show the hole where the tiny "full range" modules and "bass" module cross over, as well as where the rolloff well short of 20KHz occur, neither of which are likely to ever be cured by room coloration:

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

BB

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Brandon B

For those curious about FR of Bose, this guy's site has some decent measurements, which pretty clearly show the hole where the tiny "full range" modules and "bass" module cross over, as well as where the rolloff well short of 20KHz occur, neither of which are likely to ever be cured by room coloration:

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

BB

Thanks for this link. I am saving it in my favorites. It sounds like Bose would be a good match for a hd-dvd system.

[Neo65]

Cars should not be crash tested with Crash Test Dummies. CTDs do not scream out the same way real people will in a crash, hence publishing safety numbers using CTDs is meaningless. Real People will find CTD testing numbers very useful --- if they're all CTDs.

We hope you don't take it personally that we do not publish CTD safety numbers.

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I've learnt a long time ago to avoid Bose. Even Radioshack bookshelves are better bets than Bose speakers.

[Entertainment72]

Originally Posted by guitarist155

when i start making amps i am not going to post the wattage because people might have rooms of different sizes and different speakers

amps do not reflect off walls.. unless you have some cool amps coming out...

[Entertainment72]

Originally Posted by BStecke

So an anechoic chamber changes the actual capabilities of speakers? Amazing! Maybe if I put a Honda Civic in an anechoic chamber it will have 1000 horsepower. I MUST have one of these rooms of magic!

Dyno that car on a dynojet and mustang dyno.. then come to me with the same horsepower.. NOT.. same principle.. its about the measuring..

Same as we know Monster is crap so apparently is Bose.. dont buy..

[Luis_A51]

The fact that these measurements are taken in an anoechoic chamber is, in fact, irrelevant. Room geometry and materials do affect which frequencies will be increased or decreased in volume, that much is true. But the fact remains that virtually all other speaker manufacturers do publish this data. This allows speakers to be compared to one another based on measurements taken under the same conditions.

They themselves say that all living rooms are different. Thus the only way to take meaningful measurements is to take them in an anoechoic chamber. Thus the reason why they chose not to publish that data is because, under identical test conditions, their speakers perform much worse than other brands, in a way that can be easily measured.

No one should expect their speakers to follow the EXACT same frequency response in their living rooms as the graph given in the facts sheet. But that does not mean the fact sheet is useless. One thing's for sure, if a speaker has a poor freqency response curve in an anoechoic chamber, it most certainly will NOT be any better in real-world environments.

[welwynnick]

I’m going to make and market an expensive, new, sports car.

But I’m not going to tell you how fast it is.

That’s because you will drive it on different roads to me.

Nick

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by welwynnick

I’m going to make and market an expensive, new, sports car.

But I’m not going to tell you how fast it is.

That’s because you will drive it on different roads to me.

Nick

Well, I've WATCHED the Bugatti Veyron do 407 kph, so will it be faster than that?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15...n-at-top-speed

That's at VW's test track in Germany. If that doesn't throw a spanner in your plans, I guess you have learned something from BOSE.

Ha, ha.

[guitarist155]

Originally Posted by Entertainment72

amps do not reflect off walls.. unless you have some cool amps coming out...

nope but the heat rises and makes the room warmer does that count i just love the companies that say the amp has 1000w.....- at 1ohm

i just meant it to say we are not going to tell you what the amp can do because people use different speakers so the wattage might not be as loud on an inefficient speaker, and then the real specs for the amp are 1w and thd of 5%

[guitarist155]

ok if that one won't work how about this one. we are not going to tell you the lumen output of this light bulb because people have different colored walls

[adiubald]

I might be stating the obvious but I think the point of the article is that you cannot judge speaker performance by brand name, price, vintage, FR, etc. You have to LISTEN to them and determine which sound best to YOU.

Its purely subjective- how does your hearing response alter/ color these curves?.

Maybe people are looking for reasons to justify spending big $$$$ on speakers?

[Woody]

Originally Posted by saprano

I was reading the forums of audioholics when i came upon a thread about bose(they seem to everyware now, like the one im making now ) seems like sombody contacted then about there speakers and hear is what they had to say http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...t=38446&page=3

Pfft. I do in fact live in an anechoic chamber!! Who the hell does BOSE think they are??!?


So I guess I am wondering what bose is trying to accomplish, are they saying that a room will CREATE the frequencies that the speakers do not?

That sure sounds like what they are saying to me.

"We don't post our measurements because we have no way of proving that your room will compensate for our product's shortcomings"

That should be their new motto.

[guitarist155]

Originally Posted by Woody

Pfft. I do in fact live in an anechoic chamber!! Who the hell does BOSE think they are??!?


So I guess I am wondering what bose is trying to accomplish, are they saying that a room will CREATE the frequencies that the speakers do not?

That sure sounds like what they are saying to me.

"We don't post our measurements because we have no way of proving that your room will compensate for our product's shortcomings"

That should be their new motto.

exactly, thats why you treat a room. mind you, you don't want the room completely dead but still if they don't test in an anechoic chamber then there is not a base standard


wow i just noticed my thing now said power member cool

[blupq]

Originally Posted by guitarist155

exactly, thats why you treat a room. mind you, you don't want the room completely dead but still if they don't test in an anechoic chamber then there is not a base standard


wow i just noticed my thing now said power member cool

Wao, I'll have to write 440 posts to reach the category of PM!!

[guitarist155]

Originally Posted by blupq

Wao, I'll have to write 440 posts to reach the category of PM!!

nope i believe it's 400 so you only need 394 more posts