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Blubaru · 01-13-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blublublu

Before getting too excited about this misfortune with HD-DVD, what is to stop the same exploit ultimately being used with the Blu Ray discs out there? (this is an honest question, just want to understand why we won't be reading this about Blu Ray in a week or so).

We have better copy protection.

mbslrm · 01-13-2007, 04:11 PM

How many seeds and peers are there?

blublublu · 01-13-2007, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blubaru

We have better copy protection.

Can someone elaborate?

Dave · 01-13-2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blublublu

Can someone elaborate?

Blu-ray have another protection which is unique and only for Blu-ray media.
Its different from AACS and is format specific.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbslrm

How many seeds and peers are there?

A LOT!

blitz6speed · 01-13-2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blublublu

Before getting too excited about this misfortune with HD-DVD, what is to stop the same exploit ultimately being used with the Blu Ray discs out there? (this is an honest question, just want to understand why we won't be reading this about Blu Ray in a week or so).

Even if this happens to Blu-Ray, it has secondary protocols to combat against these attacks. HD-DVD does not. Now, what is stopping some guy in china who presses DVDs to convert one of his lines to HD-DVD, then use these files to press fake HD-DVD's to sell for pennys on the dollar on the streets of new york city? Let me tell you, NOTHING. Blu-Ray does not have these issues. And thats why studios will just DROP hd-dvd rather then trying to salvage whats already been done to the format. Heck, i think universal realised they are a pawn being used by MS just to sabotage Blu-Ray, this just helps push them into the proper format and gives them the right excuse to do it.

mbslrm · 01-13-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

A LOT!

Just give me a figure....

phloyd · 01-13-2007, 04:27 PM

I know of two people who have had success in ripping HD DVD discs and one who can get new keys.

Currently leaked keys are King Kong, Serenity (obviously) and 12 Monkeys. The guy I know has Superman Returns also.

This is for real. BTW, the crappy software player that allows all this to happen (currently) is WinDVD and it only supports HD DVD so for now BD is safe.

Also, while BD can have additional protection it is not clear if it is being used and if so by which studios.

So some BD titles may be susceptable to similar 'hacks'.

In any case, this is certainly a proven real compromise of the HD DVDs and conceptually all discs released to date are in danger.

Petra · 01-13-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blublublu

Can someone elaborate?

Sony just release a firmware to enable BD-ROM protection on its BD player

Dave · 01-13-2007, 05:28 PM

People, you got to check this out! More keys captured!
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120611
Maybe its for the other thread, but who cares... hd dvd is the piracy magnet now...

The news spread like crazy...

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Originally Posted by mbslrm

Just give me a figure....

Why does this matters? Above 200.

Iceman_II · 01-13-2007, 05:46 PM

I vaguely remember reading something about how the BD encryption is different than the HD-DVD encryption.... something about it being partially hardware based if I remember correctly

Maximus · 01-13-2007, 05:51 PM

I think it is only a matter of time until all HD DVD titles are compromised, the speed at which the hackers are working is phenomenal. Apollo 13 is the latest one to fall. I think they will have 1-2 weeks before the player keys are revoked and all new discs are authored to carry out this task.

Blubaru · 01-14-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by benes

Actually WinDVD plays BD too. It seems logical that this exploit can be used for blu-ray as well. Unless they already have some protection beyond AACS. According to the Sony insider on AVS none of the discs so far use BD+. And ROM-watermark is not much help here either.

And the number of HD DVD keys is up to 20 now.

Can someone send the list of keys to Universal?

blitz6speed · 01-14-2007, 12:42 AM

At this point, i dont think it will be shocking to see nearly every film on hd-dvd, including the Studio Canal imported stuff (which i am shocked to see so many of reported already), to have the keys put on the website by monday morning for all the world, and of course Universal, to see.

Maximus · 01-14-2007, 01:02 AM

They have not got long before the player keys are revoked, so it is not surprising to see them working so fast. Once the WinDVD keys are revoked it will be a while until someone else figures out a new way of doing this.

Petra · 01-14-2007, 02:16 PM

Looks like those hackers wasted no time in less than 48 hours, the list of hacked movies grew

12 Monkeys
Aeon Flux
Apollo 13
Batman Begins
Casino
Chronicles of Riddick
Enter the Dragon
Equilibrium (Jap)
Fear & Loathing Las V
King Kong
Miami Vice
Mission: Impossible
Mission: Impossible 2
Mission: Impossible 3
The Mummy
Pitch Black
Red Dragon
Serenity
SuperMan Returns
V for Vendetta
World Trade Center

pretender2j · 01-14-2007, 02:52 PM

Even more now. I didn't think this would all happen this fast

It's good to see in a biased BD kinda way for me

JB

reiella · 01-14-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pretender2j

Even more now. I didn't think this would all happen this fast

It's good to see in a biased BD kinda way for me

JB

Surprising, but not too surprising.

This is great news for VC1 HD on Demand!

Petra · 01-14-2007, 02:58 PM

The hackers over there think that blu-ray is dead

ssshhh....but don't tell them, the lesser they know about our format, the better

Josh · 01-14-2007, 03:21 PM

Well, if someone can PM me a link, it would be much appreciated. Because I still can't find crap.

blitz6speed · 01-14-2007, 08:33 PM

I uhm had a friend who just tried it. Using PowerDVD 7.2 Ultra HD-DVD Edition. Superman Returns was used and works PERFECT. So 100% confirmation here folks, this is the real deal.

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01-13-2007, 04:11 PM	#22
mbslrm Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Mississauga, ON	How many seeds and peers are there?

01-13-2007, 04:27 PM	#27
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	I know of two people who have had success in ripping HD DVD discs and one who can get new keys. Currently leaked keys are King Kong, Serenity (obviously) and 12 Monkeys. The guy I know has Superman Returns also. This is for real. BTW, the crappy software player that allows all this to happen (currently) is WinDVD and it only supports HD DVD so for now BD is safe. Also, while BD can have additional protection it is not clear if it is being used and if so by which studios. So some BD titles may be susceptable to similar 'hacks'. In any case, this is certainly a proven real compromise of the HD DVDs and conceptually all discs released to date are in danger.

01-13-2007, 05:46 PM	#30
Iceman_II Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Ft. Worth Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:308 Blu-ray reviews: 4	I vaguely remember reading something about how the BD encryption is different than the HD-DVD encryption.... something about it being partially hardware based if I remember correctly

01-13-2007, 05:51 PM	#31
Maximus Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2006	I think it is only a matter of time until all HD DVD titles are compromised, the speed at which the hackers are working is phenomenal. Apollo 13 is the latest one to fall. I think they will have 1-2 weeks before the player keys are revoked and all new discs are authored to carry out this task.

01-14-2007, 12:42 AM	#33
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	At this point, i dont think it will be shocking to see nearly every film on hd-dvd, including the Studio Canal imported stuff (which i am shocked to see so many of reported already), to have the keys put on the website by monday morning for all the world, and of course Universal, to see.

01-14-2007, 01:02 AM	#34
Maximus Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2006	They have not got long before the player keys are revoked, so it is not surprising to see them working so fast. Once the WinDVD keys are revoked it will be a while until someone else figures out a new way of doing this.

01-14-2007, 02:16 PM	#35
Petra Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	Looks like those hackers wasted no time in less than 48 hours, the list of hacked movies grew 12 Monkeys Aeon Flux Apollo 13 Batman Begins Casino Chronicles of Riddick Enter the Dragon Equilibrium (Jap) Fear & Loathing Las V King Kong Miami Vice Mission: Impossible Mission: Impossible 2 Mission: Impossible 3 The Mummy Pitch Black Red Dragon Serenity SuperMan Returns V for Vendetta World Trade Center

01-14-2007, 02:52 PM	#36
pretender2j Member Member since:Nov 2006	Even more now. I didn't think this would all happen this fast It's good to see in a biased BD kinda way for me JB

01-14-2007, 02:58 PM	#38
Petra Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	The hackers over there think that blu-ray is dead ssshhh....but don't tell them, the lesser they know about our format, the better

01-14-2007, 03:21 PM	#39
Josh Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Home Theater Gallery:50 4K collection:37 Blu-ray collection:407 Digital collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15 Trading Score:34	Well, if someone can PM me a link, it would be much appreciated. Because I still can't find crap.

01-14-2007, 08:33 PM	#40
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	I uhm had a friend who just tried it. Using PowerDVD 7.2 Ultra HD-DVD Edition. Superman Returns was used and works PERFECT. So 100% confirmation here folks, this is the real deal.

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