Power Cord In Wall

[wem003]

It may be 'ghetto', but since we weren't sure we wanted to keep our tv on the same wall, we used a wiremold cord cover:

http://wiremold.com/www/consumer/pro...ord_center.asp

It's can be painted - so it blends in better.

For my ps3 upstairs, I just hired an electrician to put an outlet in a closet. That way I knew it was up to code, and if something happened my homeowners insurance wouldn't blame my amateur skills - paranoid, yes - worth the $70 for the labor and outlet install? Definitely yes.

[Edh63]

Originally Posted by Ex Accountant

Please accept my apology for suggesting you have attitude. Perhaps you were just intentionally or unintentionally being unfriendly? And thanks for calling me a winner! At least someone appreciates me!!

Meanwhile, I think I'll look more into the extension cord idea. I would ask for a little more advice about it here, but I wouldn't want to have my head bitten off because I didn't do the research myself...Oh come on, I'm just kidding.

Apology accepted. No intention at all. Simply a suggestion. Oh, did I say winner? I meant wiener... jk, also.

Have a nice day.

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by Edh63

My suggestion is that you do the research and find out what the legalities and liabilities are. It would be just as easy, or difficult, for you to research it than coming here and asking someone else to confirm it for you and have them research it for you. All the resources are out there I'm sure. Do some research.

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by Ex Accountant

I own a Sony KDL-52XBR2. I've been told orally that it is safe to have the power cord running inside the wall and I believe this to be true. Recently someone asked me to prove that it is safe. I called Sony customer support and the rep immediately said it was safe because the cord is well shielded. When I asked for some sort of written documentation, he said there was none within their database. Can anyone give me proof? Thank you.

You keep whining about "proof." What would you consider to be "proof?" This is not an issue to fuss about on a forum website. As was said....don't be lazy and do some research on your own. People suggested that you call an electrician, or building inspector, or your insurance company. What more do you want??? Do you want a .pdf file that says "It is completely OK to do X" ???

[Ex Accountant]

Originally Posted by arush5268d

You keep whining about "proof." What would you consider to be "proof?" This is not an issue to fuss about on a forum website. As was said....don't be lazy and do some research on your own. People suggested that you call an electrician, or building inspector, or your insurance company. What more do you want??? Do you want a .pdf file that says "It is completely OK to do X" ???

Hey, Jerkoff. Do you post this same reply whenever someone requests a link to a great sale? How about when someone would post some info, maybe back in the day, about some studio going HD-DVD exclusive? Typically, someone would say, "Give us a valid link to show us that this is not BS," right? I suppose you would tell them to quit whining about their desire for some sort of proof? Think before you type and please get over yourself. Can't we all just get along?

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by Ex Accountant

Hey, Jerkoff. Do you post this same reply whenever someone requests a link to a great sale? How about when someone would post some info, maybe back in the day, about some studio going HD-DVD exclusive? Typically, someone would say, "Give us a valid link to show us that this is not BS," right? I suppose you would tell them to quit whining about their desire for some sort of proof? Think before you type and please get over yourself. Can't we all just get along?

Show me a valid link that you actually have a wall to hang the TV on. I want prove that it is OK for your model to support that too

[Beta Man]

Only $70 to install an electrical outlet??? man I might pay someone to install one on the ceiling for a projector, rather than do it myself!

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

Only $70 to install an electrical outlet??? man I might pay someone to install one on the ceiling for a projector, rather than do it myself!

Thats definately the way to do it! $70? For that cheap, its not worth the hassle of doing it on your own

[ascian]

I know it can be a hassle to gather evidence, but as it is, among the comments here so far vs Sony's CSR and the Magnolia Home Theater guy, I'm getting different answers.

Seems that others have made the suggestions I would have. But point in fact, I used to be a Magnolia HT lead, and if one of their installers is suggesting to run the cord in the wall as is, he's doing a major no-no and breaking corporate policy, I assure you. As for the Sony CSR... well... no comment needed right?

As I said, it's not really the end of the world to put the cord in the wall, I just wanted to make you aware of the truth and possible ramifications. Anyway the cookie crumbles, I hope you find a solution that fits your need.

[Riff Magnum]

Is fire really that much of a danger? I mean if you've got faulty wiring/equipment you've got the chance of burning the house down whether the cable is in the wall or not, right? I know my house was built as cheap as possible and there's hardly any insulation or anything in between the 2x4's in my walls. I'm assuming that running other cables like hdmi, rca, etc. isn't as dangerous as something that carries power, but if the OP installs an electrical outlet behind the TV, won't he still have to hide the other cables somehow?

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by Riff Magnum

Is fire really that much of a danger? I mean if you've got faulty wiring/equipment you've got the chance of burning the house down whether the cable is in the wall or not, right? I know my house was built as cheap as possible and there's hardly any insulation or anything in between the 2x4's in my walls. I'm assuming that running other cables like hdmi, rca, etc. isn't as dangerous as something that carries power, but if the OP installs an electrical outlet behind the TV, won't he still have to hide the other cables somehow?

With 7 years in the fire service...I've heard that "Is fire really that much of a danger" way too many times. Even if something is just a small risk, those small risks add up fast! It realy isn't something that you should want to risk.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Riff Magnum

Is fire really that much of a danger? I mean if you've got faulty wiring/equipment you've got the chance of burning the house down whether the cable is in the wall or not, right? I know my house was built as cheap as possible and there's hardly any insulation or anything in between the 2x4's in my walls. I'm assuming that running other cables like hdmi, rca, etc. isn't as dangerous as something that carries power, but if the OP installs an electrical outlet behind the TV, won't he still have to hide the other cables somehow?

It's not that it's so much a danger, than the fact that if your house catches on fire, and they don't know why, and the inspector finds wire in the walls that isn't up to code.... your insurance company is going to laugh at you, and tell you to grab your ankles......

[wem003]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

Only $70 to install an electrical outlet??? man I might pay someone to install one on the ceiling for a projector, rather than do it myself!

I was pretty lucky, there was an outlet on the outside of the closet, so all he did was cut a hole inside, run the wires down and install the outlet. He even put it at shelf height for me so I don't have electrical cords running down the wall inside the closet.

As for the projector - where mine is, he couldn't get to it because I have it mounted on a shelf on the exterior wall - the eaves in the attic are too tight to get there, so I used the wiremold cord cover for that as well. Not exactly what I wanted, but it works.

[wem003]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

It's not that it's so much a danger, than the fact that if your house catches on fire, and they don't know why, and the inspector finds wire in the walls that isn't up to code.... your insurance company is going to laugh at you, and tell you to grab your ankles......

Exactly why I went with an electrician....

[yyyiiikes]

Ex_Accountant - Thanks for starting this thread and glad the conflict above has been resolved. Boards like these are a great way to escape many of the little and big conflicts in the rest of the world even if for a few minutes.

So, I hope I am not hijacking your thread.

I am interested in feedback regarding the monoprice cables I bought... they are listed as:

HDMI 1.3a Category 2 Certified CL2 Rated (In-Wall Installation) Cable (24AWG) w/ Net Jacket - 15ft (Gold Plated Connectors)


so if the Net Jacket violates the CL2 rating, then this is misleading. I followed up with monoprice customer service and did not get a useful response. I have another query back to them.

These ratings and certifications should not be taken lightly. The house I was living in during college burned to the ground. Though an HDMI cable will not spark the fire, things like these can create a rapid path for the fire to spread and make a big difference in risk to life and extend damage.

[ascian]

Originally Posted by yyyiiikes

HDMI 1.3a Category 2 Certified CL2 Rated (In-Wall Installation) Cable (24AWG) w/ Net Jacket - 15ft (Gold Plated Connectors)


so if the Net Jacket violates the CL2 rating, then this is misleading. I followed up with monoprice customer service and did not get a useful response. I have another query back to them.

These ratings and certifications should not be taken lightly. The house I was living in during college burned to the ground. Though an HDMI cable will not spark the fire, things like these can create a rapid path for the fire to spread and make a big difference in risk to life and extend damage.

This is exactly what I was talking about by fire risk. And yes, the jacket does invalidate the in-wall rating. It's been a while, but I'm 96% certain on this.

[Riff Magnum]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

It's not that it's so much a danger, than the fact that if your house catches on fire, and they don't know why, and the inspector finds wire in the walls that isn't up to code.... your insurance company is going to laugh at you, and tell you to grab your ankles......

true dat. Sounds better to get paintable cables and deal with the "eyesore" maybe.

[SDG]

Accountant, for future potential purposes, you would be well off to use Romex #12 or #10 to feed a receptacle behind your HDTV. You may want to plug something else into it in the future like an electric chain saw or something. The most common size of extension cord is #16 stranded which is only good for @ 13 amps and when confined in a wall has a de-rated factor. Either way, you are in for some work getting the cable in the wall. The Romex is stiff and easier to shove between the wall studs.

[yyyiiikes]

Originally Posted by ascian

This is exactly what I was talking about by fire risk. And yes, the jacket does invalidate the in-wall rating. It's been a while, but I'm 96% certain on this.

If true, what good is the CL2 rating if it is externally cover by material non CL2 compliant. This is misleading.

[Ex Accountant]

Originally Posted by yyyiiikes

If true, what good is the CL2 rating if it is externally cover by material non CL2 compliant. This is misleading.

First, I would like to apologize for letting annoying people, well, annoy me. They do it on purpose. I should know better. Of course, this statement, too, is inappropriate. I apologize for inferring that anyone here is annoying and intend to refrain from engaging in further debate.

yyyiiikes, here is a link I have to monoprice asking about their in-wall cables. Like you, I just bought 1 with the net jacket and am curious about the possibility that the net jacket might counteract the CL2 rating. I agree that would be extrememly misleading. Hopefully, the 4% leeway that Ascian gives us will be the saving grace. Although, he seems to be pretty knowledgeable about it so it doesn't look too great.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...1&format=6#faq

Here's the in-wall part:
Question: These cables say "For In-Wall Use." Does that mean they can only be used in wall?
What is CL2?
Answer: "For In-Wall Use" refers to the CL2 rating these cables receive from Underwriters Laboratories (UL). It means that these cables have a slow burning outer jacket, should meet most fire codes and are safe for in-wall installations.
The CL2 rating does not affect the appearance or performance of the cables. They can be used in or out of wall.

For the record, this link is referring to cables with net jackets. Not that this proves anything by a long shot, but hopefully they know what they are talking about.

I have decided to get up off of my lazy ass and get documentation of some sort from my insurance company. I will also request documentation from Underwriters Laboratories. And yes, I realize the irony of this since it's what I've been fighting against throughout this entire thread.

Whatever I find out, I'll let you know.