Why do studios bother with some releases...

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by uk-guy

thats not what the adverts for these lcd tvs are telling us they are plugging
1080p as the best quality you can buy remember i am totally sold on bluray
but in order for this format to really sell and become mainstream they really
need to start telling buyers what to truly expect instead of using the words
"beyond high definition" or start telling the buyers that some films will only look stunning if you have a 65"+ tv

You're complaining about something that been going on since the beginning of marketing. Most advertisements are going to make their item sound better than what it really is.

[uk-guy]

i also believe that films like rocky or speed wouldn't really look any better on
a 65" tv or even a 100" tv. poor and old source material is what it is on a dvd or a bluray disc

[uk-guy]

Originally Posted by MasterXeus

You're complaining about something that been going on since the beginning of marketing. Most advertisements are going to make their item sound better than what it really is.

i am not complaining just trying to look at it from the average buyers perspective imagine spending £2.000 on a lcd and another £300 on say a ps3
then putting rocky or speed into that machine and getting a film that is nothing
more than cleaned up and a little clearer thats all i am saying

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by uk-guy

i am not complaining just trying to look at it from the average buyers perspective imagine spending £2.000 on a lcd and another £300 on say a ps3
then putting rocky or speed into that machine and getting a film that is nothing
more than cleaned up and a little clearer thats all i am saying

Do you have your HDTV calibrated to get the best picture possible?

[chezzy62]

No matter how old the movie, people still want to watch their favorites with improved PQ/SQ on their new High-Def TV Sets. I am going to buy Blazing Saddles on Blu-Ray, and I look forward to seeing how it looks.

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by uk-guy

why do film studios bother.
given the release of rocky and speed. these films just do not cut it in hi-def.
i understand the money making part of it but surely the must realize that a
20+ year old film just is not going to look good i know some older films do look great and if we are all honest?

I own "Rocky" and "Speed" on Blu-ray. I watch them on a 30-inch 1080i POS and they look INCREDIBLE!!

~Alan

[diamondfoxxx]

There are two kinds of enthusiasts:

1.) The people who are relentlessly looking for titles that 'pop' out of the screen,
with crystal clear images regardless of the actual quality of the movie. The
grain-haters included. This is the mass that will destroy Blu-ray.
2.) The real/sophisticated collectors who know the wonders that HDM can bring
to 'old' films. They know that they are one step closer to the master, and
that they are watching the film in their intended look. And this is the niche
that will keep Blu-ray alive.

[toef]

Originally Posted by diamondfoxxx

There are two kinds of enthusiasts:

1.) The people who are relentlessly looking for titles that 'pop' out of the screen,
with crystal clear images regardless of the actual quality of the movie. The
grain-haters included. This is the mass that will destroy Blu-ray.
2.) The real/sophisticated collectors who know the wonders that HDM can bring
to 'old' films. They know that they are one step closer to the master, and
that they are watching the film in their intended look. And this is the niche
that will keep Blu-ray alive.

I think it's the other way around. That's why for every 1 Casablanca on BD, we have 10 Cranks. People don't care about quality movies as much as they care about movies that look good (generally newer, with special effects/CGI).

For every self-proclaimed audio-/video-phile movie-buff, there are 100 average movie goers who just want BD because it's newer and better than DVD. I doubt the average movie consumer understands bit rates, or grain, or PCM, or whatever else.

Weren't the sophisticated movie watchers Beta fans? I don't think they're responsible for helping BD win, or for keeping it alive in the years to come.

And yes, I make up statistics.

[GGX]

Not all releases are going to look like Discovery Channel HD. Which is fine by me because I want my films to look like actual film (in all its film grain glory).

Rocky and Speed look great on Blu-ray and reflect the source material. It is certainly an improvement over the standard DVD counterparts.

[Eternalnow]

I have a 37 inch Samsung and I can tell the difference between BD and SD DVD. I can't understand why everyone thinks that you need a huge television to actually see all the amazing quality and detail that BD has to offer. And its not just reference material that I am referring to either. Sure, the demo quality stuff looks absolutely stunning, but even films like 'Total Recall' and to some extent 'House of Flying Daggers' look noticeably better on BD than SD DVD. Hell, even '28 Weeks Later' and 'The Signal' revealed much detail, and both of these discs are not exactly reference quality.

I really don't think that the size of the television has much to do with it at all, rather its the viewing distance and whether or not you can actually see the difference for yourself. Sure if you are watching BD's on anything less than a 20 inch you might not be able to tell, but even then the colors would most likely be brighter and vivid. Since I've seen side by side comparisons (done by myself), I can certainly tell the difference between the two formats.

All in all I think its more of a perception thing. You need a point of reference if you are going to see any difference at all.

But as far as why some films get transferred to BD before others, its all about the green. Studios are still pretty much testing the waters, which is evident from the shoddy 'Gangs of New York', 'Face/Off', 'Patton' and the multitude of really poor transfers and crap films flooding the market.

[ClaytonMG]

I don't mean to sound rude, but I think it's time for there to be some sticky for Newby complaints. They all seem to be the same anyway. "This film is grainy" or "it doesn't pop off my screen" or "the prices are too high" or "when is LOTR coming to Blu-Ray and why are these other releases coming out before huge movies." It's actually getting kind of sickening around here.

[toef]

Originally Posted by Eternalnow

I have a 37 inch Samsung and I can tell the difference between BD and SD DVD. I can't understand why everyone thinks that you need a huge television to actually see all the amazing quality and detail that BD has to offer.

I really don't think that the size of the television has much to do with it at all, rather its the viewing distance and whether or not you can actually see the difference for yourself.

Well, yeah. I'd say the two variables are the TV size and the viewing distance. I'm sure you can see the difference between DVD and BD on a 19" screen if you are sitting 3 inches away from it.

I think what most people are saying, is that using the average viewing distance in an average living room, roughly 40" or higher is when you might actually see the difference. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't see the difference with a smaller TV, or sitting further away (if you have eagle eyes).

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I don't mean to sound rude, but I think it's time for there to be some sticky for Newby complaints. They all seem to be the same anyway. "This film is grainy" or "it doesn't pop off my screen" or "the prices are too high" or "when is LOTR coming to Blu-Ray and why are these other releases coming out before huge movies." It's actually getting kind of sickening around here.

I'm new here, but even I've noticed the same threads popping up over and over. Even the ones that aren't complaints ("I just got a BD player, which movies look the best? What are the must-owns?") get a tad annoying. Maybe someone should create a sticky thread with the 10 best looking movies (based on a vote), and update it as needed.

[davcole]

I've seen SPEED on BD and the AQ/VQ far surpasses the DVD. I'm not sure how you draw that conclusion?

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by uk-guy

why do film studios bother.
given the release of rocky and speed. these films just do not cut it in hi-def.
i understand the money making part of it but surely the must realize that a
20+ year old film just is not going to look good i know some older films do look great and if we are all honest? it is a bit of a lottery with some of these
older films should we be expected to settle for a bit better than dvd is that
what we expected. when venturing into the bluray format please dont get me
wrong i am sold on the future being in bluray i have some excellent demo disc material to really show the power of hi-def but i wonder how many people will
really be convinced of hi-def if there first purchase is "say" rocky

just wanted to know what others opinions of bluray have been would love to
hear other forum members opinion on the matter.

I haven't seen Rocky or Speed, so I can't comment on them. But what about Close Encounters, 2001, Blade Runner, or even Rio Bravo? They all looked great. And two that impressed me on HD DVD were The Adventures Of Robin Hood and Grand Prix, which we'll hopefully be getting soon.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by toefer

Well, yeah. I'd say the two variables are the TV size and the viewing distance. I'm sure you can see the difference between DVD and BD on a 19" screen if you are sitting 3 inches away from it.

I think what most people are saying, is that using the average viewing distance in an average living room, roughly 40" or higher is when you might actually see the difference. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't see the difference with a smaller TV, or sitting further away (if you have eagle eyes).



I'm new here, but even I've noticed the same threads popping up over and over. Even the ones that aren't complaints ("I just got a BD player, which movies look the best? What are the must-owns?") get a tad annoying. Maybe someone should create a sticky thread with the 10 best looking movies (based on a vote), and update it as needed.

I've been a member here since 2006 (didn't realize it's been THAT long) so threads like these have been poping up for a while. But since the beginning of the year, it seems everyday the same fairly useless threads are being created. And I don't mean to insult all new members. Obviously you're actually helping out here. It's just that some don't use the search engine, and some people don't even look on the main pages of the forums. There was just a thread created complaining about the pricing of Blu-Rays which is one of the dumbest things to me as there's a sticky thread for people to complain about that crap.

[bhampton]

When a film you love gets released on Blu Ray it's wonderful.

Not all movies are going to break sales records but I hope all movies that I enjoy will be released on Blu Ray.

I've yet to see a Blu Ray that didn't represent the highest quality home video presentation. They are not all "created equal" but all of them represent your best bet for viewing at home.

-Brian

[OokieSpookie]

They release them because people like me want them.
They DO look better than dvd, especially on my 52 inch bravia and even more so for people with even bigger screens.
If you do not like them, do not buy them
Period.
Others will.

[blukrank]

Originally Posted by Eternalnow

I have a 37 inch Samsung and I can tell the difference between BD and SD DVD. I can't understand why everyone thinks that you need a huge television to actually see all the amazing quality and detail that BD has to offer. And its not just reference material that I am referring to either. Sure, the demo quality stuff looks absolutely stunning, but even films like 'Total Recall' and to some extent 'House of Flying Daggers' look noticeably better on BD than SD DVD. Hell, even '28 Weeks Later' and 'The Signal' revealed much detail, and both of these discs are not exactly reference quality.

I really don't think that the size of the television has much to do with it at all, rather its the viewing distance and whether or not you can actually see the difference for yourself. Sure if you are watching BD's on anything less than a 20 inch you might not be able to tell, but even then the colors would most likely be brighter and vivid. Since I've seen side by side comparisons (done by myself), I can certainly tell the difference between the two formats.

All in all I think its more of a perception thing. You need a point of reference if you are going to see any difference at all.

But as far as why some films get transferred to BD before others, its all about the green. Studios are still pretty much testing the waters, which is evident from the shoddy 'Gangs of New York', 'Face/Off', 'Patton' and the multitude of really poor transfers and crap films flooding the market.

Sorry I think 28 Weeks Later looks great. I have watched it on my ED PJ my 32" LCD and my 1080i 26" TV.Looked great on all 3 of my displays.

[WickyWoo]

I have a 37 inch Samsung and I can tell the difference between BD and SD DVD.

Plenty of people buy a 37 inch samsung and then sit 10 feet back is part of the problem

[DetroitSportsFan]

Rocky and Speed looks great on my 58" Panasonic Plasma.