Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver Thread

[DeadEyesSmiling]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

Please provide a link to the review article about the V663.

I have never heard of this happening. I would like to know which test setup was used along with the name and model for the BD player and HDTV. This must be fluke. Sounds like there was a defective player, HDMI cable, or perhaps the V663 was defective.

Quote from Pros and Cons section of the review:

"One problem in 1080P display at 24 frames per second on the similar display monitor or the projector is found in Scene-1 in DVD Viewing preset. It locks the first default video found on the HD DVD discs even if you are sending the video in film mode @24fps. The disc menus and the FBI warning signs may be done in high definition format but they are recorded in 30 video frames while the rest of the HD movie is encoded in 24 frames per second. One solution to this problem is to set the Scene-1 preset to DVD Movie Viewing. This will show the picture in 1080P at 24 frames per second if you lock the source also in 1080P @24fps. But again the HDMI handshake between source and display may switch it back to 1080P at 60 Hertz."

Full Review: http://www.my411family.com/electroni...eater_Receiver

[Yeha-Noha]

Full review:http://www.my411family.com/electroni...eater_Receiver

Thanks for the info and link.

The author mentioned specifically HD-DVDs. I have no experience with HD-DVD players. I do know that this never happened with my Sony BDP-S301 player hooked up to my V663 via HDMI while playing BDs 1080/24p. My HDTV confirmed every time that it is getting a 1080/24p input over HDMI 1.3a, a perfect judder free picture. Good thing HD-DUDs lost the war.

Another issue he brought up: "If the HDMI handshake is not done correctly, it will switch the audio back to PCM audio where the actual audio decoding is done inside the HD DVD player. This limits the output to 5.1 surround sound audio. Our goal is to transport the uncompressed audio in digital bitstream through HDMI v1.3a to the receiver and let the receiver do the proper audio decoding. But as explained earlier the receiver looses the grip in handling these advanced audios..." Again this sounds like an HD-DUD problem. I never had that happen with my BD player. It will decode internally to PCM if I have the HDMI setting set to PCM. On AUTO, it bitstreams all codecs to the AVR. The BD player sends 7.1 LPCM to the V663 as 7.1 channels input regardless of the setting being on PCM or AUTO.

These are just flukes. A few people using certain players may encounter a handshake problem. Fortunately most of us won't have to be concerned about it.

[DeadEyesSmiling]

Right on, man. That makes sense. ...can't wait to go blu!

-DES

[Yeha-Noha]

You'll see prices coming down, especially on Black Friday and the rest of the holiday shopping season. Man, it's a good time to go Blu.

[ozzman]

Bigmod,
please tell me you did not turn your reciever to +16.5.you said you got distortion at high levels.I think you were f*cking your speakers up,I own a rx-v3800 and i have my reciever set that it won't pass +0.

I find i actually never pass -15.That pretty loud.

What iam getting at is i hope you didnt do damage to your speakers.I have a funny feeling you don't know what your doing.

Sorry thats my two cents

[Yeha-Noha]

Well, he can replace his speakers and his amp, but not his ears. I hope no matter what level beyond 0.0 db he tried to do listening tests, that it didn't damage his ears. Jeez people do crazy things.

[ozzman]

I think everyone has done something stupid with there equipment that they have regreted in the past .

I remember blowing my paradigm cc-170 14 years ago(Man iam getting old).Some lessons in life can be pricey :rolleyes

i had the center set to +10.
5.1 was new to me and i just loved the idea of having a speaker over the t.v.Well that speaker lasted a month.I know everyone has a story

[bigmod]

Originally Posted by ozzman

Bigmod,
please tell me you did not turn your reciever to +16.5.you said you got distortion at high levels.I think you were f*cking your speakers up,I own a rx-v3800 and i have my reciever set that it won't pass +0.

I find i actually never pass -15.That pretty loud.

What iam getting at is i hope you didnt do damage to your speakers.I have a funny feeling you don't know what your doing.

Sorry thats my two cents

Actually I was listening between -5db and 0db. Never went higher than +5db (made it my limit in settings).
I am not sure if this might be part of the problem, but my rear speakers are 6ohm. So I set the 663 to 6ohm like the manual says. All my other speakers are 8ohm. Maybe that added the distortion or the amp is working extra for 6ohm

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by ozzman

I think everyone has done something stupid with there equipment that they have regreted in the past .

I remember blowing my paradigm cc-170 14 years ago(Man iam getting old).Some lessons in life can be pricey :rolleyes

i had the center set to +10.
5.1 was new to me and i just loved the idea of having a speaker over the t.v.Well that speaker lasted a month.I know everyone has a story

I suppose your're right. Someone needs to start a new thread probably in the audio discussion forum. Audio Anonymous: What's the worst thing you ever regret doing to your audio system?

Any volunteers?

[Iceman 21]

I finally hooked up my 663 last night. It sounds great w/ my PS3. I just can’t seem to get it right w/ my Direct TV HD. The satellite box says DD, but the 663 says PCM and I'm only getting 2 ch, what gives? It's all connected via HDMI 1.3. What am I doing wrong? I was up til midnight messing with it. Shouldn’t the 663 say DD?

[bigmod]

Originally Posted by Iceman 21

I finally hooked up my 663 last night. It sounds great w/ my PS3. I just can’t seem to get it right w/ my Direct TV HD. The satellite box says DD, but the 663 says PCM and I'm only getting 2 ch, what gives? It's all connected via HDMI 1.3. What am I doing wrong? I was up til midnight messing with it. Shouldn’t the 663 say DD?

Make sure your satellite box is set to output bitstream through its HDMI port. Otherwise, make sure it supports multi-channel output through HDMI.
If not, you can always connect your sat. box via optical or coax cable to get bitstreamed DD.
And don't forget to select "Straight" from the 663's side.
Hope This Helps

[Iceman 21]

Originally Posted by bigmod

Make sure your satellite box is set to output bitstream through its HDMI port. Otherwise, make sure it supports multi-channel output through HDMI.
If not, you can always connect your sat. box via optical or coax cable to get bitstreamed DD.
And don't forget to select "Straight" from the 663's side.
Hope This Helps

This helps alot, I will try it when I gey home. Now anyone have an idea on how to hook up a subwoofer to the 663 w/ only speaker wire?

[Iceman 21]

Why do I have to have my system so loud to come "alive"? I don't get the surround effect until 20-16 db. It this nornal?

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by Iceman 21

Why do I have to have my system so loud to come "alive"? I don't get the surround effect until 20-16 db. It this nornal?

Did you run YPAO? Whether you did or not, -20 or even -15 isn't that loud in my system. It's actually just right.

But I was wondering if your surrounds are set too low. Or try this, toe in the surround speakers toward the listening position. If you have dipoles, don't do that of course, but normal direct radiators should always be toed in towards the listener. Try toeing them in and run YPAO again is what I recommend.

[Kryptron]

This helps alot, I will try it when I gey home. Now anyone have an idea on how to hook up a subwoofer to the 663 w/ only speaker wire?

If your subwoofer just has speaker wires and no line input and it doesn't have a plug for power it sounds like you need an active sub. You need a powered subwoofer. You can get an amp to power that none powered sub but you might as well upgrade to an active sub.

[Iceman 21]

So how loud is too loud?

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by Iceman 21

So how loud is too loud?

When your spouse runs out of the room while you are watching a movie, it's probably too loud. Well, not always, because I ran out of the room during Kill Bill 1 when the limbs started flying off torsos when Beatrix wrought revenge on Cotton Mouth in Tokyo. My wife was watching every move, every swing of the sword, and every kick. She does martial arts especially kung fu.

Seriously, your best bet is an SPL meter (C weighted) to measure how loud your system is. Just make sure that from your listening position, that you don't see the reading on the meter staying all the time at 85 db or louder. That's too loud even if you don't hear any distortion. That's the killer. You hear clean undistorted sound at 85 db for hours and you will certainly damage your hearing. Normal listening levels for a young person in their teens in a quiet room should be around 65 db or so. At that level your child should be able to hear all the dialog. However when you get over 30, you will probably need to set the average playback levels as high as 70 to 75 db SPL. Occasional Peaks can and are expected to go into the red at and above 85 db SPL zone. Sure, during intense action scenes, the SPL can reach 100 db or higher. But that is short term exposure. It will not damage your hearing. Normal talking at 1 meter measures about 40 - 60 db on your SPL meter. Really and truly 85 db SPL, the threshold of damage from long term exposure, is quite loud. Believe me you will be wanting to or should be turning the volume down before too long.

I don't know your age or anything, but to be on the safe side, limit the average playback level to around 70 to 75 db SPL (C weighted) as measured on a SPL meter. If it's too loud for your kids turn it down! They have better hearing than you do. Occasional peaking around 85 db range is ok as long as it is short term. Your parents ages 50 - 60 and above probably won't hear all the dialogue. Tell them to get fitted for hearing instruments. That way you won't risk ruining your hearing turning the volume up for them.

[rsway]

I'm confused about this BTB WTW being clipped with the Yamaha 663. Does it really make a difference if I'm playing games/watching blu-rays with the PS3?

I'm not even sure my TV can display BTB WTW. I have the Sony SXRD 50A2020. If anyone can explain, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

When your spouse runs out of the room while you are watching a movie, it's probably too loud. Well, not always, because I ran out of the room during Kill Bill 1 when the limbs started flying off torsos when Beatrix wrought revenge on Cotton Mouth in Tokyo. My wife was watching every move, every swing of the sword, and every kick. She does martial arts especially kung fu.

Seriously, your best bet is an SPL meter (C weighted) to measure how loud your system is. Just make sure that from your listening position, that you don't see the reading on the meter staying all the time at 85 db or louder. That's too loud even if you don't hear any distortion. That's the killer. You hear clean undistorted sound at 85 db for hours and you will certainly damage your hearing. Normal listening levels for a young person in their teens in a quiet room should be around 65 db or so. At that level your child should be able to hear all the dialog. However when you get over 30, you will probably need to set the average playback levels as high as 70 to 75 db SPL. Occasional Peaks can and are expected to go into the red at and above 85 db SPL zone. Sure, during intense action scenes, the SPL can reach 100 db or higher. But that is short term exposure. It will not damage your hearing. Normal talking at 1 meter measures about 40 - 60 db on your SPL meter. Really and truly 85 db SPL, the threshold of damage from long term exposure, is quite loud. Believe me you will be wanting to or should be turning the volume down before too long.

I don't know your age or anything, but to be on the safe side, limit the average playback level to around 70 to 75 db SPL (C weighted) as measured on a SPL meter. If it's too loud for your kids turn it down! They have better hearing than you do. Occasional peaking around 85 db range is ok as long as it is short term. Your parents ages 50 - 60 and above probably won't hear all the dialogue. Tell them to get fitted for hearing instruments. That way you won't risk ruining your hearing turning the volume up for them.

Don't push it too far. It's hard to say "how high is too high," because there's a lot of variances with speaker sensitivity, signal levels, and your room environment that will impact how loud something really is. Yamaha receivers typically don't clip or distort unless you're driving them or your speakers way too far. In my room, which uses a 6.1 channel setup with 6 ohm speakers and 89 dB sensitivity, I typically run the Yamaha anywhere from around -28 dB for Dish Network to - 14 dB max for Blu-ray soundtracks playing in 6.1.

The bottom line is that you need to use a little common sense and protect your own hearing.

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

When your spouse runs out of the room while you are watching a movie, it's probably too loud. Well, not always, because I ran out of the room during Kill Bill 1 when the limbs started flying off torsos when Beatrix wrought revenge on Cotton Mouth in Tokyo. My wife was watching every move, every swing of the sword, and every kick. She does martial arts especially kung fu.

Seriously, your best bet is an SPL meter (C weighted) to measure how loud your system is. Just make sure that from your listening position, that you don't see the reading on the meter staying all the time at 85 db or louder. That's too loud even if you don't hear any distortion. That's the killer. You hear clean undistorted sound at 85 db for hours and you will certainly damage your hearing. Normal listening levels for a young person in their teens in a quiet room should be around 65 db or so. At that level your child should be able to hear all the dialog. However when you get over 30, you will probably need to set the average playback levels as high as 70 to 75 db SPL. Occasional Peaks can and are expected to go into the red at and above 85 db SPL zone. Sure, during intense action scenes, the SPL can reach 100 db or higher. But that is short term exposure. It will not damage your hearing. Normal talking at 1 meter measures about 40 - 60 db on your SPL meter. Really and truly 85 db SPL, the threshold of damage from long term exposure, is quite loud. Believe me you will be wanting to or should be turning the volume down before too long.

I don't know your age or anything, but to be on the safe side, limit the average playback level to around 70 to 75 db SPL (C weighted) as measured on a SPL meter. If it's too loud for your kids turn it down! They have better hearing than you do. Occasional peaking around 85 db range is ok as long as it is short term. Your parents ages 50 - 60 and above probably won't hear all the dialogue. Tell them to get fitted for hearing instruments. That way you won't risk ruining your hearing turning the volume up for them.

+1. Don't push it too far. It's hard to say "how high is too high," because there's a lot of variances with speaker sensitivity, signal levels, and your room environment that will impact how loud something really is. Yamaha receivers typically don't clip or distort unless you're driving them or your speakers way too far. In my room, which uses a 6.1 channel setup with 6 ohm speakers and 89 dB sensitivity, I typically run the Yamaha anywhere from around -28 dB for Dish Network to - 14 dB max for Blu-ray soundtracks playing in 6.1.

The bottom line is that you need to use a little common sense and protect your own hearing. It'd be a shame to invest your time and money into great gear and not be able to appreciate it. A friend of mine is a true audiophile, and he's battling right now with hearing loss. He has an incredible collection of gear and Super Audio CDs, and he's struggling to even use it. Take care of your hearing.