1.43:1 (IMAX) and 1.78:1 (16:9)

[Stlsports]

If you have seen the IMAX version and the normal version it's a big change when cropped. The shot in the bank where the Joker takes off mask is so much better in the IMAX format. When it's cropped his face is squeezed in the fram really tight.

[HumanMedia]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Weird! Where I saw it (here in the U.S.) they just kind of centered the non-IMAX image if I remember correctly. But I am still pretty sure it was 2.35:1.

The same was done for IMAX screenings in Australia.

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by GGX

More like it would ruin it than fix it.

Not everybody saw it on an IMAX theater. The majority of people who saw this movie, it was all in 1 form. You start giving people this widescreen/fullscreen interchanging crap, they will hate it and demand the DVD version instead. No matter how much you all loved this movie, you can't disagree with what I just said. It's not a very good business move to do something like this. It will drive even more DVD sales than Blu-Ray sales.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by djluis2k6

Not everybody saw it on an IMAX theater. The majority of people who saw this movie, it was all in 1 form. You start giving people this widescreen/fullscreen interchanging crap, they will hate it and demand the DVD version instead. No matter how much you all loved this movie, you can't disagree with what I just said. It's not a very good business move to do something like this. It will drive even more DVD sales than Blu-Ray sales.

HUH?!?! You put "EXCLUSIVE IMAX FORMAT!!!" on the Blu-Ray case, people will buy it up without even understanding it! So yes, I can absolutely without a shaddow of a doubt dissagree with what you said. And it's not crap, it's the director's intentions.

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

HUH?!?! You put "EXCLUSIVE IMAX FORMAT!!!" on the Blu-Ray case, people will buy it up without even understanding it! So yes, I can absolutely without a shaddow of a doubt dissagree with what you said. And it's not crap, it's the director's intentions.

Then you would definitely not make a good businessman because this is not a good business move. As I said, if you loved this movie, then of course you won't agree with me because not many people dare to say any negative about this movie.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by djluis2k6

Then you would definitely not make a good businessman because this is not a good business move. As I said, if you loved this movie, then of course you won't agree with me because not many people dare to say any negative about this movie.

Actually, think outside the box. If your average consumer sees that something has some exclusive features on it, they will be drawn to it. If they see "on Blu-Ray is the only way to see the film the way the director intended," they will want that version. It has nothing to do with liking the movie or not, it's just common marketing sense.

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Actually, think outside the box. If your average consumer sees that something has some exclusive features on it, they will be drawn to it. If they see "on Blu-Ray is the only way to see the film the way the director intended," they will want that version. It has nothing to do with liking the movie or not, it's just common marketing sense.

Marketing is one thing, changing the product is a completely different thing. Most people who saw this movie saw it in a regular theater, not in an IMAX, so this will be something new to them. Sure, some will like it, but I have a feeling that most will not. To give people an option ensures that this doesn't back fire. Either shoot the entire feature in IMAX, none of it, or keep them as extras. Someone said earlier that the IMAX scenes were in the original movie release, well that may be, but it was that way ONLY in the IMAX version, not in regular theaters. This is changing the product, and not every Blu-Ray player owner is going to be knowledgeable of IMAX, or at least if they are, they may not have seen this or any other movie before at an IMAX theater. My argument about this is about changing the product from the familiar.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by djluis2k6

Marketing is one thing, changing the product is a completely different thing. Most people who saw this movie saw it in a regular theater, not in an IMAX, so this will be something new to them. Sure, some will like it, but I have a feeling that most will not. To give people an option ensures that this doesn't back fire. Either shoot the entire feature in IMAX, none of it, or keep them as extras. Someone said earlier that the IMAX scenes were in the original movie release, well that may be, but it was that way ONLY in the IMAX version, not in regular theaters. This is changing the product, and not every Blu-Ray player owner is going to be knowledgeable of IMAX, or at least if they are, they may not have seen this or any other movie before at an IMAX theater. My argument about this is about changing the product from the familiar.

It is not changing the product if the product was originally intended to feature scenes for IMAX theaters. I don't know how else to explain this to you. It's also the director's original intention for these specific scenes to be in the IMAX format. The reason probably being the fact that 2.5 hours in an IMAX theater with nothing but IMAX footage would make most people sick. Gary Oldman even said that they had to restrain their acting when using the IMAX cameras. Having an entire action movie filmed for IMAX would be a bad idea.

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

It is not changing the product if the product was originally intended to feature scenes for IMAX theaters. I don't know how else to explain this to you. It's also the director's original intention for these specific scenes to be in the IMAX format. The reason probably being the fact that 2.5 hours in an IMAX theater with nothing but IMAX footage would make most people sick. Gary Oldman even said that they had to restrain their acting when using the IMAX cameras. Having an entire action movie filmed for IMAX would be a bad idea.

That's fine, and I understand all that. But what you're not acknowledging is my point of the fact that the majority of people who saw this movie was not in an IMAX theater, so this will be new to a lot of people. Not every Blu-Ray purchaser saw it in IMAX, so this is going to be something they didn't expect and may not like. Not saying that they're trade it for the DVD version instead, but they're not going to be a big fan of it if they didn't originally see it that way. So if it's something that they weren't expecting, to them, that's changing the product. They won't do the research to see that the directors wanted it that way, they're just going to see a product that was one thing once, and now something different. That's changing the product in the consumer's eyes, and that's not good to do, no matter how "great" people think this movie is. I think Ocean's 13 was a great movie, but I would be against it if they did something like this to that movie as well.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by djluis2k6

That's fine, and I understand all that. But what you're not acknowledging is my point of the fact that the majority of people who saw this movie was not in an IMAX theater, so this will be new to a lot of people. Not every Blu-Ray purchaser saw it in IMAX, so this is going to be something they didn't expect and may not like. Not saying that they're trade it for the DVD version instead, but they're not going to be a big fan of it if they didn't originally see it that way.

I didn't originally see it that way. I saw the cropped version. Then I saw the IMAX version and wouldn't have it any other way. You know this isn't the first movie with an aspect ratio shift. The other ones didn't make people unhappy. It made a few people question if their sets were ok, but that was about it. To say they're automatically not going to like it because they didn't see it that way in theaters is an extreme assumption though.

[cajmoyper]

Originally Posted by GGX

More like it would ruin it than fix it.

I think he meant make it an option. That would be best. The IMAX scenes really aren't going to do anything that will make them look better on any of our screens anyways. I really hope they make it an option.

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I didn't originally see it that way. I saw the cropped version. Then I saw the IMAX version and wouldn't have it any other way. You know this isn't the first movie with an aspect ratio shift. The other ones didn't make people unhappy. It made a few people question if their sets were ok, but that was about it. To say they're automatically not going to like it because they didn't see it that way in theaters is an extreme assumption though.

I don't see that as an extreme assumption whatsoever, because as I said, it's changing the product from the familar. You first said you didn't see it in IMAX, but now you have. You probably already anticipated what you would see when watching this movie in an IMAX theater, but I'm saying to someone who is not knowledgeable about this, this may turn them away. I didn't say it will turn everyone away, but I truly believe it will turn some away.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by djluis2k6

I don't see that as an extreme assumption whatsoever, because as I said, it's changing the product from the familar. You first said you didn't see it in IMAX, but now you have. You probably already anticipated what you would see when watching this movie in an IMAX theater, but I'm saying to someone who is not knowledgeable about this, this may turn them away. I didn't say it will turn everyone away, but I truly believe it will turn some away.

How do you know it wont attract people? Like I said, you put a sticker on the box that says "exclusive imax footage" or something like that, people will gobble it up.

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

How do you know it wont attract people? Like I said, you put a sticker on the box that says "exclusive imax footage" or something like that, people will gobble it up.

If they're not familiar with IMAX, it's not going to make them want to pick it up anymore than they already would.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by djluis2k6

If they're not familiar with IMAX, it's not going to make them want to pick it up anymore than they already would.

If it says "Exclusive content!" people will buy it.

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

If it says "Exclusive content!" people will buy it.

Exclusive content is something extra they didn't already seen. And this really isn't exclusive content, it's altered content, or it least it will be in the consumer's eyes.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by djluis2k6

Exclusive content is something extra they didn't already seen. And this really isn't exclusive content, it's altered content, or it least it will be in the consumer's eyes.

... Exclusive Content is content exclusive to the disc. And since you can only see the IMAX footage in it's native aspect ratio on Blu-Ray, it's exclusive content. It's also not altered. The 2.35:1 version of the IMAX footage is altered though if that's what you meant.

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

... Exclusive Content is content exclusive to the disc. And since you can only see the IMAX footage in it's native aspect ratio on Blu-Ray, it's exclusive content. It's also not altered. The 2.35:1 version of the IMAX footage is altered though if that's what you meant.

As I said...it's altered content, or it least it will be in the consumer's eyes.

[CH108]

It's funny the direction this thread has gone to, I saw the movie on an IMAX screen in London Waterloo the IMAX scenes took up the whole screen as I expected with a slight curve on the bottom of the screen.

The rest of the scenes filmed with 35mm Anamorphic were projected in the centre of the screen with big black bars on the bottom and the top and the aspect ratio would switch from IMAX to 2.35:1 depending on the scenes.

I think my original question was answered which was on your HDTV with the dark knight blu-ray running during an IMAX scene which is shown at 1.78:1 would you be able to see everything you could see on an IMAX screen during an IMAX scene of the film? Would it be slightly cropped because 1.44:1 is a lot higher than it is wider?

From what I have read the Aspect Ratio shift will be exclusive to the Blu-ray so it will play out like an IMAX feature, it'll give you black bars during the non-IMAX scenes and open up to a full screen during the IMAX scenes and I think that it is Nolan's preferred version.

I have looked at some of the IMAX titles on this site and they have an aspect ratio of 1.78:1 that means that either that shows everything you can see on an IMAX screen during a 1.44:1 or that's the closest you can get on current home entertainment technology.