Sony stops netflix from playing there movies on xboxlive

[AM-MAN]

Originally Posted by Marquoz

All I can say is, keep the user upgradable hard drive, but add user upgradable RAM, and a way for the game OS to actually access more. This is vital if they plan to keep the option for Linux. Would also be nice if they could include a formatting program that gives the option to expand the size of the formatted partitions. It's a wonderfully powerful system for computing other then a severe lack of RAM (and the issue with direct access to the GPU, but I program non GUI stuff).

+1

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

That's just a clerical error, SPE movies will be removed in time as well.

This is not the last we have heard from the Netflix streaming though. Let's just say that Netflix were incredibly stupid to pick a fight with a company that owns a major studio.

If PSN doesn't get Netflix streaming sometime in the next year, expect Sony to retaliate. Their move could potentially put Netflix out of business or at least in serious trouble.

I remember telling people at Netflix that it was always better to side with the company that owned a massive movie studio, regardless how much the other side were willing to pay (lots of cash up front). If Netflix don't buy themselves out of the stupid exclusivity contract it could sink the company...

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I think it is a message to the community at large not to mess with them any more. Publishers know Sony have messed it up bigtime with PS3, but by the same token they know PS4 is going to be a massive success, all of the groundwork laid down by Sony during this gen isn't going to pay off until the next one.

We are now entering the third year of the PS3, it is going to be a massive year in 2009 with a huge number of blockbuster games, but we are also reaching the halfway point now. In November 2009 we will have gone past it, and Sony will start gearing up for PS4 release internally and design specs will start to be formulated, a year later some will leak to the press, a year later it will be announced at E3 or TGS, and a year later it will be released.

No $599 price, no expensive drive, no chip R&D, cheap off the shelf GPU, cheap unified RAM, we are looking at a $299 launch price.

Sony are just letting everyone know that they will be back next gen, and any publisher who crosses them in this gen will pay dearly next gen.

Edit: Also in this case, rental income for SPE isn't all that great, and Netflix doesn't contribute that much to the bottom line, so for them to pull everything from Netflix, and I mean everything, wouldn't be that damaging to Sony, but it would probably sink Netflix to lose 10,000 titles from their library.

Damn i didn't they would go this far....im scared for everyone now.

(good job sony )

[jadedeath]

Sony's playing hardball.

Well done Sony!

Logan

[aygie]

Originally Posted by Marquoz

All I can say is, keep the user upgradable hard drive, but add user upgradable RAM, and a way for the game OS to actually access more. This is vital if they plan to keep the option for Linux. Would also be nice if they could include a formatting program that gives the option to expand the size of the formatted partitions. It's a wonderfully powerful system for computing other then a severe lack of RAM (and the issue with direct access to the GPU, but I program non GUI stuff).

ITS A CONSOLE NOT A COMPUTER!!!!!!

[househead]

not sure what studio owns what, but there's still a s-load of movies available for me to watch on my 360/netflix today.

awesome stuff!

[mikejet]

This sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. If Netflix has the right to stream their media regardless of the format this can get ugly.

[fighthefutureofhd]

yep. just because sony doesn't like something the competition is doing doesn't give them right to act all ugly about it.

[york weir]

Had Microsoft done the same thing you'd all be crying that they are an evil company strong arming the industry.

Would be kind of funny for Microsoft to throw around its money again and block Universal or any of the others from the PS3/netflix streaming whenever that happens.

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by york weir

Had Microsoft done the same thing you'd all be crying that they are an evil company strong arming the industry.

They've already done similar things. I'm not saying it's right or wrong for any company, but there are many whose perception differs when strongarming is done in retaliation as opposed to being used actively.

Originally Posted by york weir

Would be kind of funny for Microsoft to throw around its money again and block Universal or any of the others from the PS3/netflix streaming whenever that happens.

Sure..MS stockholders would love that. XBox division is already destined for some hot water from corporate with all the money they lost. Adding these expenditures to the mix would not endear them to the BoD.

[york weir]

Originally Posted by Musashi

Sure..MS stockholders would love that. XBox division is already destined for some hot water from corporate with all the money they lost. Adding these expenditures to the mix would not endear them to the BoD.

I didn't expect them to do it, especially seeing all money being lost in this economy. Was just a point I was throwing out showing bias and hypocritical behavior.

You do make a good point whether it was done in retaliation and all that....

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

No $599 price, no expensive drive, no chip R&D, cheap off the shelf GPU, cheap unified RAM, we are looking at a $299 launch price.

Steps in the right direction definitely. I also dare say that competition will be different too. Back to what we talked about many months back, Microsoft will have to play by new rules if they want to keep that division running. If there's another Xbox, it'll have to use less advertising budget, smaller loss on hardware, and a lot less moneyhatting developers. That is unless, they want to lose another few billion bucks.

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Sony are just letting everyone know that they will be back next gen, and any publisher who crosses them in this gen will pay dearly next gen.

Not pay too dearly I hope; even if they do wrong, PS4 needs supportive publishers to not be alienated.

[aygie]

Originally Posted by york weir

Had Microsoft done the same thing you'd all be crying that they are an evil company strong arming the industry.

Would be kind of funny for Microsoft to throw around its money again and block Universal or any of the others from the PS3/netflix streaming whenever that happens.

What like what they did in the format war? Yeah that was funny.

MS throws its money round left right and center, i glad Sony has done this.

[dpomp]

this is an awesome move on sony's part.


and all the people complaining about it, isn't ^that the exact same thing you said when your precious 360 got FF13 bought?? "wow this is an excellent move by micro$oft this is a console war. blah blah blah!"

well guess what, sony's not throwing money around they're just controlling what they already own. this is an excellent move by sony. and come 2009 nobody will be talking about the 360 anymore.

[Deadset]

Seems like Sony could be loosing out on revenue, regardless this doesn't affect me at all. Streaming movies on my console just isn't for me.

[dpomp]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

Seems like Sony could be loosing out on revenue, regardless this doesn't affect me at all. Streaming movies on my console just isn't for me.

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Edit: Also in this case, rental income for SPE isn't all that great, and Netflix doesn't contribute that much to the bottom line, so for them to pull everything from Netflix, and I mean everything, wouldn't be that damaging to Sony, but it would probably sink Netflix to lose 10,000 titles from their library.

this might answer your question

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by dpompeo

this might answer your question

they may not loose much, but they'll loose some. I agree with mikejet, this has legal action written all over it.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by mikejet

This sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. If Netflix has the right to stream their media regardless of the format this can get ugly.

If you mean Netflix suing Sony, you have to understand that the law favors (as it should) the IP owner, in this case SPHE.
Sony decides how its movies are going to be shown, and something tells me that studios in general cannot be happy about the new Netflix model ($17 a month lets you access a virtual unlimited number of movies).
I mean .. where's the value on a per movie basis here? 0.001 cent?
It may be great from a consumer point of view, but frankly I just cannot see the interest of the studios in going that way, as it brings down the value of any single movie to literally -nothing-.

Now for those complaining that Sony is playing hardball and "strong arming the market", let me remind you that Sony, who makes the PS3 and has Microsoft as a competitor, is also the owner of a major Movie studio (as well as Music Label).
What sense would it make for Sony to allow MS to use their movies as a bullet point to sell more Xbox's?
Finally we see something that's been missing, Sony using its assets to have a true corporate policy instead of having each of its divisions acting like a separate entity.

[camper]

Originally Posted by york weir

Had Microsoft done the same thing you'd all be crying that they are an evil company strong arming the industry.

Agree, totally. Most of the posts are praising Sony for doing the things they list as reasons for why they despise Microsoft. It's the "I hate you for raping my sister, so I'm going to show you by raping yours" mindset. This kind of stuff is stupid and petty.

Though, if Sony strong-arms Netflix due to the MS alliance, I wonder how Sony's PC & VAIO TV/Media Center division will fare if Microsoft decides to play the same game with Sony's PC division? They're new VAIO TV coming out are essentially Media Center PC's running Vista.

But what company could get hurt right now? Netflix. Not Sony. Not Microsoft.

Oh wait...this is an anti-microsoft site, forgot. Yay sony, good job! Kill netflix if it might possible scratch microsoft.

camper

[Icemage]

Let me be the first to voice some small dissent and say that:

- I understand that it makes perfect logistical sense for Sony to block Netflix. As has been pointed out, it's certainly within their rights to do so, as the content owners, and it's equally true that Netflix probably doesn't supply much in the way of royalty fees to Sony in any case (particularly via downloadable movie content).

- It still sets a bad precedent. Does no one remember what an annoying time the HD DVD/Blu-ray format war was? I certainly wouldn't want to see another situation where you simply can't find any service that offers all the movies.

- That said, unless Netflix breaks their exclusivity with Microsoft, it seems like a fair move. I'm just curious just how punitive it would be to do so.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

If you mean Netflix suing Sony, you have to understand that the law favors (as it should) the IP owner, in this case SPHE.
Sony decides how its movies are going to be shown, and something tells me that studios in general cannot be happy about the new Netflix model ($17 a month lets you access a virtual unlimited number of movies).
I mean .. where's the value on a per movie basis here? 0.001 cent?
It may be great from a consumer point of view, but frankly I just cannot see the interest of the studios in going that way, as it brings down the value of any single movie to literally -nothing-.

Now for those complaining that Sony is playing hardball and "strong arming the market", let me remind you that Sony, who makes the PS3 and has Microsoft as a competitor, is also the owner of a major Movie studio (as well as Music Label).
What sense would it make for Sony to allow MS to use their movies as a bullet point to sell more Xbox's?
Finally we see something that's been missing, Sony using its assets to have a true corporate policy instead of having each of its divisions acting like a separate entity.

I'd like to know what is in the contract though. If Netflix made the agreement to stream media before divulging plans to stream over consoles, then it depends solely on how it was worded. They could have made an all encompassing agreement to allow Netflix to distrbute streaming content to members regardless of the media and platform. If that is the case then Sony is violating its contract. If it's specific and they don't allow it to be on consoles, then they have every right to pull it.

If it's not in the contract and they have the legal right to pull the material, then good for them. If not, they are asking for trouble.