Voice are very low in cener/front speakers.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by aramis109

There's no reason it should be, unless you've got something wrong in your setup. By turning the sub's crossover dial all the way up you're allowing it to take everything it's given. You then limit it through the receiver... which should be set at 120hz if you have your surrounds sending it information that's below that.

How does it sound "the worst"? Is there crackle? Too much bass? Have you calibrated after turning the dial all the way up? Are you sure you're not turning the sub VOLUME all the way up (it should be around 50-75% and no further)?

What I mean by the worst is, 'Hardly any bass'..... I currently have my subs volume less then 50%.. On the reciever I believe the db is @ -12.5

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by HAMP

What I mean by the worst is, 'Hardly any bass'..... I currently have my subs volume less then 50%.. On the reciever I believe the db is @ -12.5

That's really weird that it'd change the bass response for the worse, all other things being equal. Have you tried just turning it up a bit? The main thing is that you're going to end up bringing in a range that will otherwise be lost on your surrounds (80hz-120hz). The surrounds can't play that, dump the info to the sub and then the sub ends up dumping it off due to the setting you have it at.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by aramis109

That's really weird that it'd change the bass response for the worse, all other things being equal. Have you tried just turning it up a bit? The main thing is that you're going to end up bringing in a range that will otherwise be lost on your surrounds (80hz-120hz). The surrounds can't play that, dump the info to the sub and then the sub ends up dumping it off due to the setting you have it at.

I don't understand what you mean.

[JasonR]

If you set your surrounds to 120Hz, anything lower than that is being sent to your sub. If you set your sub at 80Hz, it is not accepting anything above that. So anything between 80-120 is being lost. Make sense?????

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I don't understand what you mean.

Your subwoofer crossover frequency of 80Hz in the receiver is Low-Pass frequency. It means that all sound frequencies above 80Hz are blocked from your subwoofer. The 120Hz frequency for your other speakers are High-Pass frequency. It means that all frequencies below 120 Hz are blocked from those speakers and sent to the subwoofer. However, the crossover setting of 80Hz will block frequencies between 80hz and 120Hz from the subwoofer. This is called an audio hole. Do you see the problem?

It is true that crossover networks are not perfect and have a slope, meaning they gradually block the frequencies above or below the cutoff point. Can you actually hear the frequency hole in the 80Hz to 120Hz range? I will leave the answer up to you.

[Blu_Ray_Fan]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Can you actually hear the frequency hole in the 80Hz to 120Hz range? I will leave the answer up to you.

Not a chance I myself would want to take BD! IMO, these lil sat speakers everyone uses are not good. All speakers in a HT should be capable of at least getting down to 80hz.

My set up:
Front 3 set @ "FULL"
Rear 2 set @ 80HZ
Sub @ 80HZ

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by JasonR

If you set your surrounds to 120Hz, anything lower than that is being sent to your sub. If you set your sub at 80Hz, it is not accepting anything above that. So anything between 80-120 is being lost. Make sense?????

Yes that makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Your subwoofer crossover frequency of 80Hz in the receiver is Low-Pass frequency. It means that all sound frequencies above 80Hz are blocked from your subwoofer. The 120Hz frequency for your other speakers are High-Pass frequency. It means that all frequencies below 120 Hz are blocked from those speakers and sent to the subwoofer. However, the crossover setting of 80Hz will block frequencies between 80hz and 120Hz from the subwoofer. This is called an audio hole. Do you see the problem?

It is true that crossover networks are not perfect and have a slope, meaning they gradually block the frequencies above or below the cutoff point. Can you actually hear the frequency hole in the 80Hz to 120Hz range? I will leave the answer up to you.

I wonder why when I set both reciever and sub @ 80Hz the subs/bass sound wonderful.

If I turn the subs @ 120hz, its as if they are not even 'On'..
A moment ago I went to the bass link and changed the subs to 120hz, on a few tests Yes the subs were kinds on. What I mean by kinda on is, I also simply turned off the subs and ran the same song from the test and it sounded the same. There was bass, and that bass was not as heavy as with the subs on.

With the subs on, it's like "Who the heck needs butt kicker's attached to the chair"

Wonder why mine sound the way they do with both set @ 80hz

[HAMP]

If you are wondering what link I am talking about...

http://www.stealthsettings.com/woofe...fer-sound-test

[Blu_Ray_Fan]

HAMP-are you using the LFE in's on your subs?

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by Blu_Ray_Fan

HAMP-are you using the LFE in's on your subs?

lol.... Yeah

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by HAMP

Yes that makes perfect sense.


I wonder why when I set both reciever and sub @ 80Hz the subs/bass sound wonderful.

If I turn the subs @ 120hz, its as if they are not even 'On'..
A moment ago I went to the bass link and changed the subs to 120hz, on a few tests Yes the subs were kinds on. What I mean by kinda on is, I also simply turned off the subs and ran the same song from the test and it sounded the same. There was bass, and that bass was not as heavy as with the subs on.

With the subs on, it's like "Who the heck needs butt kicker's attached to the chair"
Wonder why mine sound the way they do with both set @ 80hz

Something isn't right. The crossover setting on your subwoofer should not play a role as the crossover is set in the receiver. You must turn the subwoofer crossover setting to their maximum level so that they can accept all the frequencies that the receiver is sending to them. That is the way we all do it.

In fact, if you physically remove the crossover networks from the subwoofers and throw them away, it should not make any difference as the receiver is taking care of that. My suggestion is check and make sure your equipment is not malfunctioning.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

My suggestion is check and make sure your equipment is not malfunctioning.

I have two of the same subs and they are acting the same way.
This is how I have them set-up

[Blu_Ray_Fan]

Originally Posted by HAMP

lol.... Yeah

It's not that dumb of a question. There are many ways subs can be hooked up. Example, my SuperCube can be hooked up LFE with low level speaker. The reason I asked is because on SC's, when you hook up with the LFE it disables the x-over on the sub. It depends solely on the pre/pro. I am just trying to figure out why when you adjust the knob on the sub you loose bass??? If it doesn't get disabled by your sub, it should be turned all the way up. Doesn't make any sence at all.

[Big Daddy]

Blu Ray Fan is correct. Hamp, how are you connecting the subwoofers to the receiver?

[HAMP]

Have a look for your yourself

[Blu_Ray_Fan]

what is that red plug going into "right"?? LFE would just be the on that is labled "LFE/left". I think we are onto something...

[HAMP]

I also want to add something to this convo. I was having a convo awhile back with someone who has two of these also. The Same subs as I do.

They said that they have the Reciever @ 80hz and the subs set @ 120Hz with the gain turned more then half way and they say they are just about sitting ontop of the subs.

They say the subs do not fill the room.

I know the way I have mine set, I have to keep the gain down on the subs and the reciever.

If I turn the gain up, the pic's on the wall, my computer chair and anything without weight will rattle, my girl complains about toooo much bass "Please turn that down".....

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by Blu_Ray_Fan

what is that red plug going into "right"?? LFE would just be the on that is labled "LFE/left". I think we are onto something...

You know what!!!! I am looking at the Manual for the subs and I always thought the red was the LFE, but it's not....

I just recently add the Y-plug to it, I have read it adds 3db to the whole thing...

[Blu_Ray_Fan]

Originally Posted by HAMP

You know what!!!! I am looking at the Manual for the subs and I always thought the red was the LFE, but it's not....

I just recently add the Y-plug to it, I have read it adds 3db to the whole thing...

I have no expirience with those subs. And with no owners manual I'm just guessing... But I would say you need a Y-splitter comming out of the LFE on the receiver, then a cable going from each end of the Y-cable into each sub's input "LFE/left". And btw, when it comes to subs, the cables matter. It looks like you are using a pretty cheap LFE cable I'd rec upgrading that.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I know the way I have mine set, I have to keep the gain down on the subs and the reciever.

If I turn the gain up, the pic's on the wall, my computer chair and anything without weight will rattle, my girl complains about toooo much bass "Please turn that down".....

Have you tried other positions for your subs? Perhaps, one on each side of the sofa or the middle of the side walls. See the diagram below: