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Old 02-19-2009, 11:02 PM   #21
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I think it's fair to say that some of the features out there now on the PS3 could be afterthoughts, or possibly fueled by customer demands:

Trophies
DTS HD-MA & Dolby TrueHD support (although most likely not) (where is this on the competition BTW...no where!)
The little tweaks here and there with the music player/video player/photo slide show

I don't know for sure about any of this (or a LOT of things ), but that sounds reasonable. It's like a game of leapfrog that the consumers always benefits from.
I don't have a problem with that, what I have a problem with is the same "journalists" washing over the fact that launch 360s have a near 100% failure rate over three years, had the whole UI upgraded because the old one was shit, has a door stop add-on which cost many people up to $169, sounds like a jet engine, and has a distinct lack of heavy hitters for the coming year, hell even the Wii looks like it could have a better line-up. Adding in that MS charge $30-50 a year for XBL which you essentially get for free on with PS3/Wii (maybe not Wii as the online is pretty bad and disorganised/poorly integrated).

How about looking into the fact that MS seem to be losing/dropping first party studios like no tomorrow while their opponents are doing the exact opposite. SCE and Nintendo have always believed in a strong first party, what makes MS so special that they can survive with Lionhead, Rare, "Team Halo", and Turn 10 as their only major first party studios? Nope, they'll never ask that question, it takes far too much journalistic integrity to be fair and balanced these days.
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:14 PM   #22
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MSNBC... Owned by Microsoft and Universal. Honestly, would you expect anything else?
I was thinking the same thing. MSNBC biased? Oh Lord, yes!!

These questions are obviously leading the way they are written. Anytime Jaffe would have answered to the negative of the lead, the would have tried to tie him up in a contradition.

The PS3 probally won't win the gaming war, but it singlehandedly won the format war for Sony. Long term, that has a higher probability for higher returns for Sony.

Unless digital downloads come around and screw it up...
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:41 AM   #23
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How about looking into the fact that MS seem to be losing/dropping first party studios like no tomorrow while their opponents are doing the exact opposite. SCE and Nintendo have always believed in a strong first party, what makes MS so special that they can survive with Lionhead, Rare, "Team Halo", and Turn 10 as their only major first party studios? Nope, they'll never ask that question, it takes far too much journalistic integrity to be fair and balanced these days.
I think that weakness of MS will show in the next round. Sony is smart enough to know they can't win a spending war with MS and their ability to sway third parties. But Sony is definitely doing their job in gaining the support of first party developers. If they play those cards right, they could definitely have an awesome launch lineup for PS4 to sway people over. I don't see third parties completely abandoning Sony even if they end up selling less than MS this generation. MS and their fanboys (and probably media) will do the happy dance, but that's about it. A new generation can change things so easily as we've seen in the past.

As PlayStation gamers, I think we just have to accept the bias as some people have said before. Even Nintendo isn't respected like MS is these days when they are selling by the megatons (doesn't mean they have a great line-up by any means). This generation, the Wii is good if it helps with the media's case against the PS3, but they will slam the Wii if it's compared to the 360.

Microsoft has alot more friendly ties with the media. Even if PS3s were supposed to catch fire after 30 mins of use, DL BD discs were an impossibility, PS3 games were going to be $90+ because of $30 BD replication, games would never achieve the graphics level of GeOW 1, upscaling SD DVD was impossible, HD DVD was going to win the format war, DD was going to put blu-ray in it's grave after the 2008 holiday season, etc.
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:27 AM   #24
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I think that this was the only umm 'fair' question.
that question single handly shows the beauty of PS3. It shows Sony built a machine, knowing it wouldn't get it perfect the first time, but that it structured its enginering around a dynamic platform that was flexible and could adjust to consumers desires.

no dts-hd ma? our bad, here you go.

no achievements? well patch that with firmware.

now on the other hand MS cases read like this.

No HDMI? lets fix that by making a new SKU that you need to buy.

No Blu-ray? Sorry, still SOL, can't update an optical drive with firmware.

No HDD for your Core? Okay fine, well finally discount the prices so you can have a decent functioning Xbox.
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:56 AM   #25
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Nice. PS3 is a behemoth and one of the single best piece of electronics ever. Yes, EVER.
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:48 PM   #26
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that question single handly shows the beauty of PS3. It shows Sony built a machine, knowing it wouldn't get it perfect the first time, but that it structured its enginering around a dynamic platform that was flexible and could adjust to consumers desires.

no dts-hd ma? our bad, here you go.

no achievements? well patch that with firmware.

now on the other hand MS cases read like this.

No HDMI? lets fix that by making a new SKU that you need to buy.

No Blu-ray? Sorry, still SOL, can't update an optical drive with firmware.

No HDD for your Core? Okay fine, well finally discount the prices so you can have a decent functioning Xbox.
Those are some good points, but just to play a little devil's advocate here (speaking as someone who owns both systems), many customers still wish there was a current option for a PS3 with backwards compatibility, which Sony will not offer at all going forward. So, Sony isn't being very flexible for their customer's desires in that respect. I'm not saying that it has to be in all versions of PS3, but it would be nice if Sony continued to offer some kind of 'premium' version of the system that still included the backwards compatibility, memory card slots, and extra usb ports in addition to the cheaper, more stripped down unit that is available now. I'm really glad that I got my Motorstorm bundle 80GB system when I did.

Granted, Microsoft stopped doing their software updates to make more original Xbox games backwards compatible with the 360, but at the very least ANY 360 owner, regardless of which version of the system they have or when they got it (as long as they have a hard drive attached to it) can play any original Xbox games that were previously made compatible with the 360 via those previous updates.

I don't deny that the RROD issue is HUGE and that the PS3 doesn't have any issues of that calibur, so that is a huge plus for the PS3. But really, aside from that, the only big issues with the various versions of 360 is hard drive size and wheather or not the system comes with a hard drive (which can always be upgraded later on, so that's a moot point), and whether or not it has an HDMI port.

Aside from the HDMI port issue, and aside from cosmetic differences (like the colors of the different versions of the system), any lesser version of the 360, in terms of the options that it comes with, can be upgraded by buying those options separately.

I know that one of the big criticisms of the 360 is that those other options cost a lot of money, and ultimately can make the system more expensive than just buying the PS3, which in some scenarios is true. However, at least there are options.

Right now, the only option for people to get a backwards compatible PS3 is to get the older ones on the secondary market. And obviously that is a feature that is very important to a lot of people, because some of those versions of PS3 are selling for not only a lot more than what they originally cost, but also for a lot more than what it would cost to go and and buy the current version of PS3 AND a PS2. But, having it all in one machine is a big deal for some people. So, in that particular sense, for those customers, it's not so much about the cost, but just about having the option one way or another.

Don't get me wrong, as a PS3 owner, I will say that it is an excellent system overall and I like it a lot. And lately I've found myself using it more than my 360. It is a great system (though, I do have the better version from before the options were taken away).

And while I do agree that the line of questioning for the interview was overly negative and unnecessarily anti-PS3 (and I don't agree at all with the idea that nobody cares about Blu-Ray), I do have to say that some of those questions do make some good points. It would just be nice if there were some questions addressing the positive aspects of the system.

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Old 02-20-2009, 05:31 PM   #27
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I think it's fair to say that some of the features out there now on the PS3 could be afterthoughts, or possibly fueled by customer demands:

Trophies
DTS HD-MA & Dolby TrueHD support (although most likely not) (where is this on the competition BTW...no where!)
The little tweaks here and there with the music player/video player/photo slide show

I don't know for sure about any of this (or a LOT of things ), but that sounds reasonable. It's like a game of leapfrog that the consumers always benefits from.
People have to realize that the incredibly powerful consoles of today aren't the NES or Genesis of consoles past. They're designed and built to evolve over time, and that's what they're doing through firmware and online network upgrades. If Sony or Microsoft waited until everything were fully fleshed out for their consoles prior to launch, they're launch dates would have been pushed back another year.

I'm grateful that the PS3 has incredible potential for improvement and additional features. I would much rather have that than a static console that couldn't be changed. I've already got a big collection of those, and this approach is much better.
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Old 02-21-2009, 03:26 AM   #28
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I promptly had forgotten everything I had read after I saw the "Mystery Journalist" signature. ANY credibility for this e-mail was lost after that
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