For every action, there is an equal/opposite reaction

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by TJandBLU-RAY

So you own one, then? And yeah, I would not pick TOSHIBA over SONY, but since they are the only ones making a HD DVD player...I got one.

And it's working fine. Maybe SONY will make a HD player when this war is over.

You know, Toshiba is responsible for a number of Japanese firsts, including radar (1942), the TAC digital computer (1954), transistor television and microwave oven (1959), color video phone (1971), Japanese word processor (1978), MRI system (1982), laptop personal computer (1986), NAND EEPROM (1991), DVD (1995), the Libretto sub-notebook personal computer (1996) and HD-DVD (2005).

When it comes to real world electronic experience, I have had horrible HP Computers, and Dell computers. But that's not to say that everyone who has ever had a HP or Dell has had the same experience as I have. Therefore, to just knock the company based on my experience, is ridiculous.

Sony already makes a HD player...several in fact. You have one of them.

[TJandBLU-RAY]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Sony already makes a HD player...several in fact. You have one of them.

True, dat.

What I am meant, was perhaps in the future, just like SONY finally made a VHS player, they will make a HD-DVD player, to play those discs.

It amuses me, this format war. Reminds me of that scene in Men In Black, with the line, 'looks like I'll be buying the White ALbum again', (or something to that effect).

In the end, if High Definition Video manages to succeed like CD did, we will have to buy (insert your favorite movie here), again.

Heck, I'm looking forward to when Lucas puts out STAR WARS again, and we all run off like sheep to buy it.

[TJandBLU-RAY]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

I think it does matter. HD DVD purchases IS the format war's blood...plain and simple.

But, in the end, it's an individual's choice to help prolong the format war or not.

No, in the end, it's the monkeys who like P&S copies of movies, and hate 'those black bars on top and bottom of the screen', that will prolong this format war.

It's not just between HD-DVD and BLU-RAY, it's High Definition vs. plain DVD. I would rather HD-DVD and BLU-RAY won, and plain DVD lost, so we can move forward towards more available titles, and cheaper hardware...as long as the masses buy Norbit, (and think that is 'art'), DVD has the upper hand.

I am sure, with no worries, that BD will win this war, and those (like myself), that have a few HD-DVD titles won't have cost the victors any spoils.

Do I wish that this war had never happened? Of course. But if one thinks this war is the end all, then one is not prepared for the war to come. Educating the masses about how the BD player can indeed, play thier DVD collection still. How, with one cord, (HDMI), you can have both AUDIO and VIDEO, with no other connection needed.

That will be a real battle.

[Weez_Dawg]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

...Not if they're open.

Why would you open them?

[onanie]

Originally Posted by TJandBLU-RAY

No, in the end, it's the monkeys who like P&S copies of movies, and hate 'those black bars on top and bottom of the screen', that will prolong this format war.

It's not just between HD-DVD and BLU-RAY, it's High Definition vs. plain DVD. I would rather HD-DVD and BLU-RAY won, and plain DVD lost, so we can move forward towards more available titles, and cheaper hardware...as long as the masses buy Norbit, (and think that is 'art'), DVD has the upper hand.

I am sure, with no worries, that BD will win this war, and those (like myself), that have a few HD-DVD titles won't have cost the victors any spoils.

Do I wish that this war had never happened? Of course. But if one thinks this war is the end all, then one is not prepared for the war to come. Educating the masses about how the BD player can indeed, play thier DVD collection still. How, with one cord, (HDMI), you can have both AUDIO and VIDEO, with no other connection needed.

That will be a real battle.

Technological transitions are always difficult when you're dealing with the masses, but the challenges will be overcome eventually when there's only one direction to go. We run the risk of not even getting to this "real" battle when the one at hand is not won quickly.

There is no longer any sense for two formats to exist, when one is already superior in every sense - technology, support, even sales. Universal is not worth the aggravation of sabotaging our generation of optical media. For one to continue to support HD DVD strongly, the reasons can only be of the emotional kind.

[dakota81]

Originally Posted by TJandBLU-RAY

How, with one cord, (HDMI), you can have both AUDIO and VIDEO, with no other connection needed.

Too many people think S-Video cables are a combination of rca video & audio bundled in one.

[TJandBLU-RAY]

Originally Posted by onanie

Technological transitions are always difficult when you're dealing with the masses, but the challenges will be overcome eventually when there's only one direction to go. We run the risk of not even getting to this "real" battle when the one at hand is not won quickly.

There is no longer any sense for two formats to exist, when one is already superior in every sense - technology, support, even sales. Universal is not worth the aggravation of sabotaging our generation of optical media. For one to continue to support HD DVD strongly, the reasons can only be of the emotional kind.

Agreed. I want but one format to win, and I want the better one to win, that being BD.

I have HD-DVD for the simple fact I won't let one studios pig headed attitude stop me from enjoying their movies in HD. Some day, when BD has won, I hope then that Universal will join with the other studios. But if they continue to hold out, at least I can enjoy their movies.

I have my projector, my audio set up, because I love movies. And that is the bottom line for me.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by TJandBLU-RAY

True, dat.

What I am meant, was perhaps in the future, just like SONY finally made a VHS player, they will make a HD-DVD player, to play those discs.

It amuses me, this format war. Reminds me of that scene in Men In Black, with the line, 'looks like I'll be buying the White ALbum again', (or something to that effect).

In the end, if High Definition Video manages to succeed like CD did, we will have to buy (insert your favorite movie here), again.

Heck, I'm looking forward to when Lucas puts out STAR WARS again, and we all run off like sheep to buy it.

we won't have to buy our movies again as they play DVD's...

it's clearly up to the consumer..

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by TJandBLU-RAY

Agreed. I want but one format to win, and I want the better one to win, that being BD.

I have HD-DVD for the simple fact I won't let one studios pig headed attitude stop me from enjoying their movies in HD. Some day, when BD has won, I hope then that Universal will join with the other studios. But if they continue to hold out, at least I can enjoy their movies.

I have my projector, my audio set up, because I love movies. And that is the bottom line for me.

There were a lot of "I"s in that post. My only point is that a format war is about more than one person. Sacrifices are usually required for the whole to benefit as quickly as possible. That's all.

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

There were a lot of "I"s in that post. My only point is that a format war is about more than one person. Sacrifices are usually required for the whole to benefit as quickly as possible. That's all.

yep.yep.

[TJandBLU-RAY]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

There were a lot of "I"s in that post. My only point is that a format war is about more than one person. Sacrifices are usually required for the whole to benefit as quickly as possible. That's all.

Please. This is about a High End LUXURY product, people. Not having one format winning over the other, sooner or later, really is not that important, in the long run.

If we were talking about global warming, and we needed to all drive environmental cars to ease global warming, and some people continued to drive gas hogs, then you have a need to sacrifice for the benefit of society.

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by TJandBLU-RAY

Agreed. I want but one format to win, and I want the better one to win, that being BD.

I have HD-DVD for the simple fact I won't let one studios pig headed attitude stop me from enjoying their movies in HD. Some day, when BD has won, I hope then that Universal will join with the other studios. But if they continue to hold out, at least I can enjoy their movies.

I have my projector, my audio set up, because I love movies. And that is the bottom line for me.

While this is *most definitely not* specifically aimed at TJandBLU-RAY, these statements do clearly trigger a response from me.

You state you want a single format to win, but what if *everyone* were like you and fully supported both formats? There would be no need for any of the exclusive studios to switch. There would always be two formats as everyone would be able to utilize both formats.

If you really and truly want a single format to win, support that format to the exclusion of the other -- and encourage others to do so. You don't have to be a closed minded fanboy about it, but you can constructively push for your choice. Otherwise just be format neutral and let others drive the choice -- then don't complain when it does not go the way you want.

I know several people who are truly format neutral and have openly stated they don't care which way it goes. If HD DVD dies, they will watch their collection of HD DVD movies until that player dies, then they will start to repurchase them in Blu-ray. The same goes in the opposite direction if Blu-ray dies. I don't agree with them, but that's their stance. They are just going with whatever's there.

However, if you have a preference, I believe you should support that preference.

[TJandBLU-RAY]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

While this is *most definitely not* specifically aimed at TJandBLU-RAY, these statements do clearly trigger a response from me.

You state you want a single format to win, but what if *everyone* were like you and fully supported both formats? There would be no need for any of the exclusive studios to switch. There would always be two formats as everyone would be able to utilize both formats.

If you really and truly want a single format to win, support that format to the exclusion of the other -- and encourage others to do so. You don't have to be a closed minded fanboy about it, but you can constructively push for your choice. Otherwise just be format neutral and let others drive the choice -- then don't complain when it does not go the way you want.

I know several people who are truly format neutral and have openly stated they don't care which way it goes. If HD DVD dies, they will watch their collection of HD DVD movies until that player dies, then they will start to repurchase them in Blu-ray. The same goes in the opposite direction if Blu-ray dies. I don't agree with them, but that's their stance. They are just going with whatever's there.

However, if you have a preference, I believe you should support that preference.

My preference is for no format war. And, as I have stated, my buying some titles won't make a difference. Even if every BD supporter bought a handful of titles, it won't matter. The economics of this are in the millions, and frankly, this war was all done except for the bragging rights when:
A: No other major studio was supporting HD-DVD, outside of Universal.
B: When no other major manufacturer besides Toshiba is making the HD player.

Also, with the Digital Bits coming down on the BD side, that was the final nail in the coffin.

I don't see this as a 'holy war' between formats. I see this as greedy companies not agreeing to one format from the beginning, and making people either choose, or buy both players. If you look at this from a Fair and Balanced POV, SONY is just as guilty as TOSHIBA when it comes to not sharing. SONY could have come out with a dual format player if they wanted to.

So could TOSHIBA.

I am a preacher, and I don't like pushing my beliefs on anyone. You want to believe in God, fine, you don't, fine. I try to be fair and open minded.
I don't even buy that the Bible is 100% accurate, to give you a insight into my liberal mind.

Here is the deal: I won't knock those who bought HD-DVD, and hate BD; doesn't do me any good freting about something I can't change.

I'm glad there are those 'zealots' of BD. If it makes them happier being that way, great. But all I ask, is just to respect those who want to see BD succeed, and don't think it's a big issue to have some HD-DVD titles.

[Blu Tiger]

I'm with TJandBLU-RAY. I support blu-ray, and it's my format of choice, but I just couldn't wait for the war to be over. I have both formats and I'm glad I do. If my individual actions prolong the war then I'm sorry, but now I get to watch Heroes in HD in a few months.