Are you going to adapt to every new HD level?

[NARMAK]

You will always need 2 things to view these improvements, Hardware comprised of a TV that supports any of the said resolution and content that is mastered in those resolutions to appreciate it.

If for instance, the film master is not as high as the resolution being touted, would the solution be for that possibly to have the said content upscaled to the resolution being touted, and new content be filmed in the said resolutions.

I don't know for certain but i don't think a lot of content out there have masters in the resolution Ultra HD is being touted. Then you also have to consider new technologies, like realistic 3D viewing that would really make you feel as if your there with the help of some clever audio hardware like something like headphones with the ability for you to hear everything to the pin drop.

All these things are becoming possible with the advance in technolgy ever generation that passes so look back and consider the many factors before making a judgement.

[elwaylite]

I have a blu ray and a 720p tv. My plan(once I buy a house) is a 1080p projector, a 3rd/4th gen blu ray and a 80-100" screen. I will be with 1080p for a long time after that.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

I have a blu ray and a 720p tv. My plan(once I buy a house) is a 1080p projector, a 3rd/4th gen blu ray and a 80-100" screen. I will be with 1080p for a long time after that.

yeah I still have to get a 1080p TV and more BD players around the house...

I plan to get a projector at some point...

[elwaylite]

Yeah, I mean I purposely stay slightly behind the curve because paying the initial premium is not important to me. Ill be moving this time next year, so within 18 months or so Ill pick up a nice 1080p projector and a new BR player and thatll be it for awhile.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Yeah, I mean I purposely stay slightly behind the curve because paying the initial premium is not important to me. Ill be moving this time next year, so within 18 months or so Ill pick up a nice 1080p projector and a new BR player and thatll be it for awhile.

yeah, I won't really pay for the premium until I finish appraisal school and get that rolling....

then the money factor will be a non-issue...

until then, I am more than happy with my mounted 32" and watered down Bose wave radio hand-me-down ahaha...

[elwaylite]

My 46" Sony RPLCD 720p tv gives me great PQ, especially OTA. No need to get crazy yet, my next goal is a theatre style room which is going to cost some dough and take some planning, first step requires a house

[Knight-Errant]

I'll probably always be interested in what the best display resolution and technology is.

[Blue]

I think something is being missed here. The video standard up until now has been NTSC (or PAL) at approx 700 x 500. This has been around since the mid 50's. It is only recently that there has been a demand for higher quality due to the size of the screens. For a normal domestic house 10' will be about the absolute max size. The screen can't be bigger without taking radical surgery to the house. 1080p is designed to work perfectly with these screen sizes and below (I know a few will have 20' + screens, but you guys are such a minority - you will need to go with the commercial systems if Blu-ray isn't up to par) 3D or something similar may come out, but the current crop of movies aren't in 3D so you won't be replacing them for the 3D version (there are rare exceptions). I suspect the next move maybe convenience (and not download), but a small solid state cartridge for example, therefore both will co-exist for sometime.

[movies3]

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

I'll probably always be interested in what the best display resolution and technology is.

yea i know same here...i sometimes hate been into things that cost losts of $$$ grrrr lol but i love it

[Shadowself]

The original, analog NTSC (525 lines, interlaced) standard has been around for over 50 years. The digital version (480i) has has been around for over 20 years. Both of these are common throughout the world and the 480p is still the most prevalent standard.

Starting in the mid 70s there was a move to higher resolution, better sound and wider color gamut. There were many, many variants proposed. Some were even implemented in the lab, and at least one analog hi-def system was even fielded. It took many years to sift throught the competing proposals.

The Grand Alliance was finalized over 15 years ogo -- at least 15 years after there were serious pushes to the "next level". The ATSC standard was not adopted until after that. It has yet to become more prevalent than 480p. One often stated reason why there has been slow adoption (beyond the RF reasons) is there are so many variations on the "standard" -- IIRC correctly the ITU supports a dozen or so variations within the "standard". (This was one of the negative outcomes of the Grand Alliance: please everyone, please no one.)

I expect the next iteration to go through at least as diverse a path to fruition. There have been and will be many, many variations proposed over the next decade for the "extreme definitition" or "ultra definition" systems. I don't expect the next "Ultra Grand Alliance" to be before 2020 and CE systems to be available before about 2025.

My guess it will be something along the lines of the Digital Cinema 4K standard, but maybe at a higher refresh rate, maybe a wider color gamut and maybe even a different aspect ratio. The average person's home won't support a true need for anything at a higher resolution than that. (Though videophiles will still clammor for UHD systems -- and someone will supply them, e.g., if you have a big enough check book you can buy a 4096 x 8192 system today!)

While, as Deci has accurately pointed out many times, in theater resolution with the best available equipment is no better than about 900 lines, going back to restoring the original negatives typically gets you nothing better than 1500-1700 or so lines -- less than the Digital Cinema 4K standard. Even if you do Nyquist scanning this only gives you 3400 lines or so which is less than one of they currently loudly proclaimed UHD systems. So I have to believe that providing systems into the next generation will not be significantly better than a Digital Cinema 4K system.

Bottom line as I see it, using an historical perspective: there will only be one more iteration on CE 2D displays and that won't happen until 2025 or later. The sad part is that the "standard" may even be more fractured than the current "HDTV standard".

Will I upgrade again then? Well, since I expect to live to well past 100, most certainly. I look forward to enjoying it for a while.

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by movies3

yea i know same here...i sometimes hate been into things that cost losts of $$$ grrrr lol but i love it

Aint that the truth

[Blu Tiger]

I can't buy a new tv until I finish paying of my Pioneer Elite. Blu-ray isn't making it any easier to pay it off quick. Too many movies to buy

[thunderhawk]

Mmm... I'll have to 'wow' me first.
I won't go for less than 3000 to view lines for a +100 inch system though.

Ah the future seems bright. lol

[IamNhobdy]

Originally Posted by Blue

For a normal domestic house 10' will be about the absolute max size. The screen can't be bigger without taking radical surgery to the house.

Not entirely true with sony's new video paper thing. I can't remember what it's called, but it's thin, light & flexible enough to be rolled up like an old fashion scroll.

One big long scroll could roll out around the enire room creating a video wall paper effect...like minority report meets total recall. Or like the HolloDeck on Star Trek.

But that, I hope, is quite a ways off.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Weez_Dawg

I hope in 8 to 10 years I have something new to buy. That would suck if I topped out on the best right now.

paidgeek made the observation that the next catalog title upgrade might be a person's last.

If 4Kx2K or SuperHD displays arrived there would be upscaling on the 1080p, and so a new format would have to compete against the results of that.

Gary

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by Blue

For a normal domestic house 10' will be about the absolute max size.

Originally Posted by IamNhobdy

Not entirely true with sony's new video paper thing. I can't remember what it's called, but it's thin, light & flexible enough to be rolled up like an old fashion scroll.

One big long scroll could roll out around the enire room creating a video wall paper effect...like minority report meets total recall. Or like the HolloDeck on Star Trek.

But that, I hope, is quite a ways off.

I believe he was referring to a standard 2D screen. Also you can buy, today, roll material which you can glue to your wall to turn it into a huge screen -- if your wall is flat enough.

However... Taking for an approximation that the average viewer is viewing from about 4' off the floor and a typical ceiling height of 8'. A comfortable screen height would max at about 6' giving a space of 1' above and below the screen. (However, for psychological esthetics the distance below the screen is always more than the distance above the screen. I don't remember the technical term for it off the top of my head.) Now for a 16:9 screen this comes to a diagonal distance of 12.2'. For a 2.39:1 screen (some future system capable of this) it is 15.5'. If you go to the extreme of assuming a floor to ceiling screen then these values become 16.3' and 20.7'. That would be the true upper limit without MAJOR remodeling of most homes in the U.S. today.

However, I can't imagine the *average* home installing anything much over 10' (diagonal) for the forseeable future.