Gangs of New York -reissue?

[broganreynik]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

But it doesn't look like shit. It looks great compared to the standard DVD, like I said the Blu-ray is by far the best this film has ever looked. That is all we can ever ask for. It's the best on the market.

It's not even the best on the market. From what I've heard, the UK version is MUCH better.

[SonOfArathorn]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

But it doesn't look like shit. It looks great compared to the standard DVD, like I said the Blu-ray is by far the best this film has ever looked. That is all we can ever ask for. It's the best on the market.

It's responses and thinking like this that makes it no surprise when studios put out less than average, crap transfers.
It does look like shit, a tv bigger than 40 inches will make that quite plain, yes, it looks better than the DVD, but then I'm the richest homeless guy in the world.
It is not the best on the market as the UK release is said to look far better (though still flawed). And this is definitely not all we can ask for, we are the ones buying the products moviefan, so we can ask for and demand perfection, in fact we all should be.
As I said, I have a 73" and same scene comparisons with the DVD show the exact same issues, of which there are many, and they are magnified on bluray making it look just like an upscaled version of the same exact thing.

It looks like shit.

[Blu-Malibu2009]

I've never owned the DVD because it's split onto two discs and I heard some bad things about the transfer. I made the mistake of buying the Blu before reading the reviews for it. The transfer is awful, and I say this as someone who sits 12 feet away from a 46 inch TV. Usually, a "good/average" transfer looks pretty good from that distance with a 46 inch TV. But Gangs is far below average, it's flat-out terrible. It's a perfect example of why bitrate is not the end-all, be-all indicator of a good transfer. It doesn't matter how high the bitrate is if the source is garbage. In this case, the source is definitely garbage.

[SonOfArathorn]

I actually read the reviews and knew the issues with the DVD and STILL bought the BD.

Yeah, yeah, yeah I told you so etc... But sometimes the reviewer and I differ in taste as to what is visually pleasing, not so in this case, it simply looks atrocious.

The worst part is that it is a beautiful film, the camera work, set design and acting costumes etc are all first rate. I can only imagine how great this film could look if given the right care.

Fingers crossed

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by SonOfArathorn

I actually read the reviews and knew the issues with the DVD and STILL bought the BD.

Yeah, yeah, yeah I told you so etc... But sometimes the reviewer and I differ in taste as to what is visually pleasing, not so in this case, it simply looks atrocious.

The worst part is that it is a beautiful film, the camera work, set design and acting costumes etc are all first rate. I can only imagine how great this film could look if given the right care.

Fingers crossed

+1. I'm the exact same way. I sold my copy.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

Man I must be having a towlie day... do you mean that you thought the departed was bad? cuz I bought that one and I liked very very much...

haha no. i meant it wasn't anything close to the departed i.e. a phenomenal transfer, but i still thought gangs wasn't horrendous.

[DIRTY MONEY]

All Blu-rays should have excellent P.Q. (in my opinion) that's why we all pay twice as much over DVD's to get a awesome picture not a Ok picture.

A perfect example of awesome P.Q. on Blu-ray is How The West Was Won, and this movie was filmed in 1962 and it looks ten times better than most newer movies out now, so how does that make any sense!

Blu-rays with bad transfers: Robocop (really BAD), the first Fifth Element and to keep the list short Gangs of New York.


The thing is some Studios don't care about doing good transfers on all movies because most consumers won't say a word if it looks bad, they'll just say well it looks better than the DVD, and that in it's self is the problem.

The Blu-rays I have bought with horrible transfers I have taken them right back to the store I bought it from a made them give me my money back, even though they don't like to refund if the Blu-ray is opened and not defective, but what I make them do is play the Blu-ray and ask them if that's a HD quality picture, and I get my refund right away.

Basically, if we pay more we should get more!

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by DIRTY MONEY

All Blu-rays should have excellent P.Q. (in my opinion) that's why we all pay twice as much over DVD's to get a awesome picture not a Ok picture.

A perfect example of awesome P.Q. on Blu-ray is How The West Was Won, and this movie was filmed in 1962 and it looks ten times better than most newer movies out now, so how does that make any sense!

Blu-rays with bad transfers: Robocop (really BAD), the first Fifth Element and to keep the list short Gangs of New York.


The thing is some Studios don't care about doing good transfers on all movies because most consumers won't say a word if it looks bad, they'll just say well it looks better than the DVD, and that in it's self is the problem.

The Blu-rays I have bought with horrible transfers I have taken them right back to the store I bought it from a made them give me my money back, even though they don't like to refund if the Blu-ray is opened and not defective, but what I make them do is play the Blu-ray and ask them if that's a HD quality picture, and I get my refund right away.

Basically, if we pay more we should get more!

That is a massive collection you have! (That's what she said. )

Do you actually have 6 versions of TDK?

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

But it doesn't look like shit. It looks great compared to the standard DVD, like I said the Blu-ray is by far the best this film has ever looked. That is all we can ever ask for. It's the best on the market.

Just because it's better than every other God awful presentation that's come before it doesn't mean it's good. It's literally just barely better than an upconverted version of the same crap DVD master they used. So yeah, it's better, but better crap is still crap.

[DIRTY MONEY]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

That is a massive collection you have! (That's what she said. )

Do you actually have 6 versions of TDK?

Yep,

Different covers from different countries! Just a little crazy. Check out my gallery to see some off them, I need to update it because when I took the pictures it was really messy, I have cleaned it up by installing more shelves and doors with glass to see the collection.

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by DIRTY MONEY

Yep,

Different covers from different countries! Just a little crazy.

Not just a little crazy. That's Joker-crazy.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by broganreynik

It's not even the best on the market. From what I've heard, the UK version is MUCH better.

Region A market, my friend, Region A market. However, this UK release does interest me if it is in fact better than the Region A release. Is it Region free? What are the differences between the two releases?

Originally Posted by SonOfArathorn

It's responses and thinking like this that makes it no surprise when studios put out less than average, crap transfers.
It does look like shit, a tv bigger than 40 inches will make that quite plain, yes, it looks better than the DVD, but then I'm the richest homeless guy in the world.
It is not the best on the market as the UK release is said to look far better (though still flawed). And this is definitely not all we can ask for, we are the ones buying the products moviefan, so we can ask for and demand perfection, in fact we all should be.
As I said, I have a 73" and same scene comparisons with the DVD show the exact same issues, of which there are many, and they are magnified on bluray making it look just like an upscaled version of the same exact thing.

It looks like shit.

Again, it does not look like shit. I had the DVD, and now I have the Blu-ray. The Blu-ray is a better product than the DVD, no questions asked. I have a sixty inch TV, and guess what? The Gangs of New York Blu-ray does not look "like shit." So the honest answer here is that this is a solid Blu-ray that is the best this film has ever looked. You can't the studio for anything else. They have released Gangs of New York in its supreme form, they did a good job.

Originally Posted by DIRTY MONEY

The thing is some Studios don't care about doing good transfers on all movies because most consumers won't say a word if it looks bad, they'll just say well it looks better than the DVD, and that in it's self is the problem.

Well let's be honest here. The one fact that truly matters in this conversation is that it is a necessity for Blu-rays to showcase its dominance. That statement means that films released on Blu-ray NEED to be better than all previous counterparts (DVD, LD, VHS, etc.). Once they accomplish that, everything else is just gravy. As long as these movies are better than the DVD releases, then you will always have happy customers.

Originally Posted by BStecke

Just because it's better than every other God awful presentation that's come before it doesn't mean it's good. It's literally just barely better than an upconverted version of the same crap DVD master they used. So yeah, it's better, but better crap is still crap.

But that is the very definition of a good Blu-ray. A good Blu-ray is one that beats all previous competition. Let me say this one more time, as long as Blu-rays put the films out on the market in the best quality they have ever been then the studios should pat themselves on the back. The one thing that matters here is being the best on the market for the consumer. I have yet to see a Blu-ray that fails at this goal, and that my friends, is why Blu-ray is going to dominate the market for a very very very long time. They are the best releases there are.

[Old Bones]

It may be the best version out there today , but certainly not the best it could be , a polished turd is just a shinier turd

[aramis109]

Moviefan, it may be good enough for you, and if so, that's fine. But don't say that the end-all goal of Blu-ray is to be the best presentation out there. The goal of Blu-ray is to provide an experience that's as close to the director's intent and the original theatrical experience as possible. The colors, the DNR, the overall mess of this movie is none of these things.

Sometimes when I'm a big fan of a film I can look past it. "Dark City" is an example for me of a title that normally I would've passed on, but purchased it because I loved the movie. I can only guess that this is the case for you.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Moviefan, it may be good enough for you, and if so, that's fine. But don't say that the end-all goal of Blu-ray is to be the best presentation out there. The goal of Blu-ray is to provide an experience that's as close to the director's intent and the original theatrical experience as possible. The colors, the DNR, the overall mess of this movie is none of these things.

Sometimes when I'm a big fan of a film I can look past it. "Dark City" is an example for me of a title that normally I would've passed on, but purchased it because I loved the movie. I can only guess that this is the case for you.

That certainly is not the case. I purchased this film because, first and foremost, Gangs of New York is a great film that is very worthy of being in my Blu-ray library. Secondly, this Blu-ray is of great quality and it's the best Gangs of New York has ever looked. We can't ask for anymore than that. As you said above, this is the closest we have in this world to Scorsese's original vision. I don't see how one can be disappointed in this release. It's by far better than anything we have previously seen. It's a great release.

[Blu-Malibu2009]

I never saw Gangs in the theater, but I'm going to take an educated guess that the theatrical version looks much better than either the DVD or the Blu-ray.

[broganreynik]

With that last post, I have to wonder if MovieFan is being serious. There's no way you can honestly say just because it's better than a DVD, that's all that matters. What matters is the director's vision and matching the original theatrical experience as much as possible. I have this movie because I hadn't bought the DVD and I love it, but that said, I would have much rather invested in the UK import now that I know how bad it is.

[broganreynik]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

That certainly is not the case. I purchased this film because, first and foremost, Gangs of New York is a great film that is very worthy of being in my Blu-ray library. Secondly, this Blu-ray is of great quality and it's the best Gangs of New York has ever looked. We can't ask for anymore than that. As you said above, this is the closest we have in this world to Scorsese's original vision. I don't see how one can be disappointed in this release. It's by far better than anything we have previously seen. It's a great release.

I swear man, some people just don't care to educate themselves on these things. You can tell them over and over why DNR is bad and grain is good, and that the UK version is better, but we keep getting the exact same response.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by broganreynik

I swear man, some people just don't care to educate themselves on these things. You can tell them over and over why DNR is bad and grain is good, and that the UK version is better, but we keep getting the exact same response.

I inquired about the UK release several posts up, but I didn't get a response. Where does it differ from the Region A Blu-ray? Is it region free?

Originally Posted by broganreynik

With that last post, I have to wonder if MovieFan is being serious. There's no way you can honestly say just because it's better than a DVD, that's all that matters.

But that is exactly what matters broganreynik! This is the best release we have (in this region), it's the best Gangs of New York has ever looked. This is a Blu-ray I'm proud to say I have in my library, it's superior to the DVD. That's all we can ask for.

[BStecke]

I can ask for a Blu-ray that isn't marred by edge enhancement that doesn't use a crap master from an old crap DVD. There are plenty of discs that meet this criteria that are FAR better than their DVD counterparts, so its not like GONY is being judged by some unobtainable standard. I'm glad your standard of mediocrity (and GONY is far below even mediocre) isn't shared by the majority.