Is George Lucas really a bad Director/Producer?

[Batman1980]

Yeah I was just being silly. I agree anyhow, I consider George Lucas to be the pioneer director that made it possible for us to have the Hollywood we have today. Not to mention other than Indiana Jones 4, I've never seen a movie of his I didn't like before.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Yeah I was just being silly. I agree anyhow, I consider George Lucas to be the pioneer director that made it possible for us to have the Hollywood we have today. Not to mention other than Indiana Jones 4, I've never seen a movie of his I didn't like before.

Same here, overall I liked episode 1... if he cut Jar Jar out and replaced all the Gungans with a rampaging horde of Wookies the movie would be a million times better.

Logan

[Batman1980]

If he replaced all the Gungans with a rampaging horde of Wookiees, they wouldn't have needed to wipe out the control ship, the Wookiees would've just smashed all the droids.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

If he replaced all the Gungans with a rampaging horde of Wookiees, they wouldn't have needed to wipe out the control ship, the Wookiees would've just smashed all the droids.

Would have been a better movie though.

Logan

[Batman1980]

I dunno, other than the worst movie character of all-time in Jar Jar Binks, I didn't mind the Gungans at all.

[STARSCREAM]

Nope.

[Jumpman]

I love how no one is willing to give Lucas credit for The Empire Strikes Back considering that the basic storyline that we get in that film was all him after the original screenwriter passed away(Leigh Brackett, who he gave a screenwriting credit to anyway after he discarded pretty much everything she wrote), early in preproduction on that film.

Lucas, literally, rewrote that film before he asked Kasdan to come in and polish it to the film that is today.

So, technically, the three best Star Wars films have Lucas' hands all over them.

[koontz1973]

Lets not forget that GL wrote the whole story. People had to write/polish the words, but the story is all Lucas.

No other director has three films in the top 10. (Box office)

No one could do his effects so he built his own company.

Sound on film was rubbish, so he built his own company.

Imagine a lot of films today without ILM and THX

All the films at the time had Disco music, he chose JW.

No other man can come up with the stories he does, for himself and other directors.

As a business man, no one can touch him within the film industry.

OK, I could go on and on, on why GL does not suck.

Empire is the best,
E3
E6
E2
E4
E1

Bow down to the greatness of GL

[Itputdallotion0n]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Let's face it, all the ing in the world isn't going to change the fact that the guy revolutionized movie making and sound design.

And let's also face that DVDave saying something {George Lucas not being able to direct to save his life} does not make it true. In fact, quite the opposite.

Logan

How do you explain what happened to Indy 4, that movie was such a copy, of many other films, didnt even come close to fitting in with any other Indy film and was just a complete sell out to try and create a new horrible character to push the series off on.

From using the Crystal skulls, that were just used in National Treasure, to copy and pasting the pyramid being destroyed from the Mummy 2, to taking Indy who was always a tad over the top and making the action way way over the top, with one scene almost being worst then the next. I knew i was in for crap when inthe first 5 minutes of the movie Indy gets in a fridge and has a nuke dropped on him,, it then flys miles and he just gets out.
They make the villian look like a joke by having Mutt fence standing on 2 cars, getting hit in the nuts and still taking it to the villian in a sword fight, and if thats not enough you got George of the jungle vine swinging going one. And i dont mind that aliens were envolved alot of people hated that.

[Itputdallotion0n]

Originally Posted by koontz1973

Lets not forget that GL wrote the whole story. People had to write/polish the words, but the story is all Lucas.

No other director has three films in the top 10. (Box office)

No one could do his effects so he built his own company.

Sound on film was rubbish, so he built his own company.

Imagine a lot of films today without ILM and THX

All the films at the time had Disco music, he chose JW.

No other man can come up with the stories he does, for himself and other directors.

As a business man, no one can touch him within the film industry.

OK, I could go on and on, on why GL does not suck.

Empire is the best,
E3
E6
E2
E4
E1

Bow down to the greatness of GL

He used to be great, but now all hes just a business man after the almighty dollar whoring his old movies for more money.

[BluLobsta]

One of the most powerful people in Hollywood with $4 billion in the bank sucks?? Wow, what does that make us Happy 65th George!!!

[Quad]

The sum total of his work doesn't suck but he has sucked for a while.
He has said for years that he wants to get back to his roots and
make smaller films but he never does. This is a good article about that..


http://www.chud.com/articles/article...ALL/Page1.html


"It seems like every time someone in the press talks to George Lucas he reiterates how much he wants to get back to his small film roots, how he wants to make an art film. He points at what Francis Ford Coppola is doing today as what he'd like to be doing. And yet he never does it. Even after finishing the Star Wars prequels Lucas sidestepped the personal, arty films in favor of yet more Star Wars."

snip

"If I had to guess I'd say that television has replaced the 'art movie' for George. '"I've sort of moved from features to television," Lucas said. He talked about the challenge of making a live action Star Wars TV show - the movies are 50 million dollars an hour, he said, while the show has to be 'only' two million an hour. Listening to him talk I got the impression that the art movie represented a challenge, not an opportunity for expression. The man is an engineer first and foremost, and what gets him excited is solving problems, not telling stories.

In fact, Lucas almost said as much when answering another reporter's question: "Art is a technological medium," he said. "All art is. A lot of it has to do with engineering; trying to figure out how to create what you imagine."

Many other artists would tell you that it's not about the medium or the technology - a writer doesn't demand the highest tech to tell his stories, and many filmmakers work under primitive conditions, sometimes purposefully. I imagine that Lars von Trier or Steven Soderbergh might have a different opinion about how vital technology is to telling stories in film. But if telling stories is secondary to your love of gadgetry and the whiz bang..."

[Joe Cain]

American Graffiti was a really good film.

I think Lucas' biggest problem as a writer & director is that he's limited himself. The way to stay good/get better at something is to DO it. He didn't direct a single feature between 1977 and 1999, and with a very few exceptions he hasn't written a (produced) non-Indy non-Star Wars project for thirty years.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by BluLobsta

One of the most powerful people in Hollywood with $4 billion in the bank sucks?? Wow, what does that make us Happy 65th George!!!

I wish I could suck like that! I am sure his heart is breaking every time a former fan boy who as grown up and no longer see the movies the same way he did as a boy say's he sucks!

[Pellaeon]

Originally Posted by toefer

This reminds me of our pal bruce pullen.

Anyway, it'd help if you explained what Lucas supposedly sucks at, because he does suck at some things. He's good at coming up with ideas or general concepts, but when he tries to write those ideas down into scripts or direct them, he sucks at those aspects of making movies.

It's therefore probably not a coincidence that the best SW movie is one of the two that he neither directed nor wrote (or co-wrote) the screenplay for.

Really couldnt have said it better myself, so I wont.

[redtornado]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

I don't really follow but I was never that impressed with Maul. He was cut down by a padawan learner while he had the high ground and Kenobi was un-armed during his Force jump.

Um, he killed Qui-Gon Ginn in a duel, taking him on and his padawan at the same time. His death was a fluke.

Dooku was the best, Ventress never wins a fight, and Vader got beat by a kid who had no formal jedi training, heck he didnt even finish.

If episode 3 did anything, it showed us how lame Vader was next to Anakin.

[RiseDarthVader]

Who gave us Star Wars? George Lucas
Who gaves us Indiana Jones? George Lucas
Who gave us an amazing visual effects house called ILM? George Lucas
Who gave us a company called Skywalker sound that has done all the sound work on nearly every mainstream movie today? George Lucas
Who gave us Ben Burtt the father of modern sound design? George Lucas
Who gave us a testing standard to give us the best theatrical presentation possible and made sure you knew a certain peice of equipment was of the highest quality? George Lucas
Who pushed the industry towards Digital Cinema that has allowed movies to be projected at a consistant and beautiful quality? George Lucas

So yeah George Lucas is basically the farther of modern cinema. That is a bit of an exaggertation though.

[Adegan]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Who gave us Star Wars? George Lucas
Who gaves us Indiana Jones? George Lucas
Who gave us an amazing visual effects house called ILM? George Lucas
Who gave us a company that has done all the sound work on nearly every mainstream movie today? George Lucas
Who gave us Ben Burtt the father of modern sound design? George Lucas
Who gave us a testing standard to give us the best theatrical presentation possible and made sure you knew a certain peice of equipment was of the highest quality? George Lucas
Who pushed the industry towards Digital Cinema that has allowed movies to be projected at a consistant and beautiful quality? George Lucas

So yeah George Lucas is basically the farther of modern cinema. That is a bit of an exaggertation though.

You forgot Pixar, which he sold to Disney and the list is complete

[wafi]

So aside from the "yes he is" and "no he's not" whats the point of this thread?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by wafi

So aside from the "yes he is" and "no he's not" whats the point of this thread?

Us nerds having fun