Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by veritas

For people that like uv imagine they stopped giving uv codes, stopped any d2d deals, and stopped having any deals on uv so they would just charge retail prices because they are starting a new digital distribution system and want you to re buy all your stuff on it as they essentially make uv defunt. That is how all the iTunes users felt as the studios stabbed them in the back and tried to get them to switch to uv.

For people that like iTunes, imagine buying blu rays that included digital copies, (and sometimes you paid more for the special digital copy version) only to discover you had to buy an Apple device to play them. You couldn't watch the digital copy on the go because you didn't buy the only phone or tablet that would work with them. That is how all the non Apple owners felt as the studios only supported a digital copy format that was monopolized.

Again, I wish there was one locker that every provider could link to. I do however find it frustrating when people can't at least somewhat see both sides.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

No. About what? The fact that I can go buy a movie on Google+ and UV cost $5, iTunes for $1.50?

Wouldn't that indicate there is no demand?

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Probably just buying them outright on the ITunes Store. After all, what other option if codes are not included for UV and ITunes on every disc.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Probably just buying them outright on the ITunes Store. After all, what other option if codes are not included for UV and ITunes on every disc.

Well that doesn't sound like a good thing at all. LOL! Thanks for strengthening my point.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Well that doesn't sound like a good thing at all. LOL! Thanks for strengthening my point.

Why not? Surely a tipping point will come when codes are no more? If these digital copies have merit, people should pay full price.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Probably just buying them outright on the ITunes Store. After all, what other option if codes are not included for UV and ITunes on every disc.

I know we are getting off topic....

As someone who has just about worn out my F5 key on that thread over the past three years, the demand on the trading forum is far greater for UV compared to iTunes. The demand for UV codes in general has increased tremendously since I first joined.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why not? Surely a tipping point will come when codes are no more? If these digital copies have merit, people should pay full price.

HAHA, don't hold your breath on full priced codes only. Remember I am a physical guy first like you. There are only maybe 10 movies in existence that I would pay full price for a digital code only. 90% of my digital I obtained from $0-$5.

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

HAHA, don't hold your breath on full priced codes only. Remember I am a physical guy first like you. There are only maybe 10 movies in existence that I would pay full price for a digital code only. 90% of my digital I obtained from $0-$5.

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That's what I mean. Why are Digital copies not worth full price? over to you Digital lovers.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

I know we are getting off topic....

As someone who has just about worn out my F5 key on that thread over the past three years, the demand on the trading forum is far greater for UV compared to iTunes. The demand for UV codes in general has increased tremendously since I first joined.

You can't get ITunes codes for most Blurays? Or have I missed something? How can you trade non existent codes?

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You can't get ITunes codes for most Blurays? Or have I missed something? How can you trade non existent codes?

Just for the record, I was talking about same movie comparisions.
See for yourself: https://plus.google.com/communities/...29505033449769

Here a sample:

Newest Added More Titles
Fifty Shades Darker Unrated HD iTunes $1.99
The Girl With All The Gifts HDX $6.99
xXx Return of Xander Cage HDX UV $8.50 / HD iTunes $3.99
Underworld Blood Wars HDX $6.99
A Dog's Purpose HDX UV $5.00 / HD iTunes $1.99
Gold HDX UV $5.99 / HD iTunes $1.99
La La Land HDX UV $4.99 / HD iTunes $1.99
Rings HDX UV $5.99 / HD iTunes $1.99

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You can't get ITunes codes for most Blurays? Or have I missed something? How can you trade non existent codes?

Not all, and it depends on the week/studio but iTunes is still included on a lot of releases. Here is tomorrow's list from the "The is it redeemable through UV, iTunes, or both Thread".

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2688

Last week had a few less iTunes options. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2681

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

Not all, and it depends on the week/studio but iTunes is still included on a lot of releases. Here is tomorrow's list from the "The is it redeemable through UV, iTunes, or both Thread".

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2688

Last week had a few less iTunes options. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2681

In the U.K it's mostly U.V. I rarely see a ITunes code on the back of my Bluray. I think the last one I saw was for star Trek beyond. Even U.V has changed last few months. Some covers dont even mention U.V. They just say Digital HD. So does that mean most U.S people get the choice of ITunes and UV with The majority of Blurays now?

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In the U.K it's mostly U.V. I rarely see a ITunes code on the back of my Bluray. I think the last one I saw was for star Trek beyond. Even U.V has changed last few months. Some covers dont even mention U.V. They just say Digital HD. So does that mean most U.S people get the choice of ITunes and UV with The majority of Blurays now?

I wouldn't say Majority have both. I honestly don't pay attention to which studio supports what as they (basically all of them) support UV and that is what I could use. Some have either or, some have UV only, and some let you redeem UV and iTunes.

There have been surveys that have gone out a while back that people randomly received about a new name for UV. Not sure if that ties in to the change, but Digital HD makes much more sense to the consumer compared to Ultraviolet.

Although....to be honest....HD-DVD was a pretty easy name selection to understand.

[randian]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You can't get ITunes codes for most Blurays?

That's definitely true if you're talking television and not movies. Nobody does iTunes for television Blu-rays except HBO.

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

I know we are getting off topic....

As someone who has just about worn out my F5 key on that thread over the past three years, the demand on the trading forum is far greater for UV compared to iTunes. The demand for UV codes in general has increased tremendously since I first joined.

^Agreed.

From all my trading and giveaway's of digital codes, I can tell you the demand for UV codes is much, much higher than it is for i-tunes codes.

Usually the only people that are interested in i-tunes codes are people that are outside the United States. They don't have Vudu and apparently don't have any other good ways to watch UV movies. So they want i-tunes.

(Of course, I know some US users who prefer i-tunes. But I have found they are in the minority.)

EDIT: Whipnet's post is a good example of the prices you will see for UV movies. And then the prices you will see for i-tunes movies.

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In the U.K it's mostly U.V. I rarely see a ITunes code on the back of my Bluray. I think the last one I saw was for star Trek beyond. Even U.V has changed last few months. Some covers dont even mention U.V. They just say Digital HD. So does that mean most U.S people get the choice of ITunes and UV with The majority of Blurays now?

This thread has a list of US releases and what digital code you will get with each Blu-Ray release:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=236721


Here is a rundown of the US releases from the past 2 months and the digital code you will get with each Blu-ray:


May 2nd
A Dog's Purpose - UV and iTunes
Gold - UV and iTunes
Last Ship: The Complete Third Season - UV
MindGamers - UV and iTunes
One Piece Film: Gold - UV
Rings - UV and iTunes
*(Rings comes with BONUS movie The Ring and The Ring 2 - UV)
The Resurrection of Gavin Stone - UV and iTunes


April 25th
Animal Kingdom: The Complete First Season - UV
La La Land - UV and iTunes
The Girl With All the Gifts - UV
Underworld: Blood Wars - UV

April 18th
Killjoys: Season Two - UV
Sleepless - UV and iTunes
Split - UV and iTunes
Teen Titans: Judas Contract - UV
The Founder - UV OR iTunes

April 11th
Hidden Figures - iTunes or UV or Google Play
Lion - UV
Monster Trucks - UV and iTunes
Silicon Valley: The Complete Third Season - iTunes + UV + Google Play
The Bye Bye Man - UV and iTunes
Veep: Season 5 - iTunes + UV + Google Play
War on Everyone - UV

April 4th
Office Christmas Party - UV and iTunes
Patterson - UV and iTunes
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - DMA + DMR points


March 28th
20th Century Women - UV
A Monster Calls - UV and iTunes
Arsenal - UV
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - UV
Monster High: Electrified - UV and iTunes
Patriot's Day - UV and iTunes
Silence - UV and iTunes
Why Him? - iTunes or UV or Google Play

March 21st
Assassin's Creed - iTunes or UV or Google Play
Insecure Season 1 - iTunes + UV + Google Play
Live By Night - UV
Miss Sloane - UV
Sing - UV and iTunes

March 14th
Collateral Beauty - UV
Fences - UV and iTunes
Passengers - UV
Six: Season 1 - UV
Solace - UV


March 7th
Incarnate - UV and iTunes
Miss Hokusai - UV and iTunes
Moana - DMA + DMR points
Jackie - iTunes or UV or Google Play
Man Down - UV
Trespass Against Us - UV

[veritas]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Just for the record, I was talking about same movie comparisions.
See for yourself: https://plus.google.com/communities/...29505033449769

Here a sample:

Newest Added More Titles
Fifty Shades Darker Unrated HD iTunes $1.99
The Girl With All The Gifts HDX $6.99
xXx Return of Xander Cage HDX UV $8.50 / HD iTunes $3.99
Underworld Blood Wars HDX $6.99
A Dog's Purpose HDX UV $5.00 / HD iTunes $1.99
Gold HDX UV $5.99 / HD iTunes $1.99
La La Land HDX UV $4.99 / HD iTunes $1.99
Rings HDX UV $5.99 / HD iTunes $1.99

I mean thats is one example of one guy who values uv over iTunes not actual sales where one sold and the other did not. I always found most of the prices kind of crazy for uv codes honestly. I can disc to digital the movie for $2 but somebody thinks they can get 8.50 for the code lol. The iTunes people probably just buy the blu ray use the code then sell the UV and Blu ray for more then they payed for the bundle at those prices.

I do notice most people on this site who prioritize redemption go itunes first then vudu if they want to try to redeem a code multiple times and want both services. I do this also personally because if I want a uv copy of most movies it would only cost me a dollar.


If we are talking about how much average people value iTunes or VUDU they both are rarely ever redeemed. When I buy a used copy of a film the hd iTunes portion is redeemed like 20% of the time and the uv portion is redeemed like 10% of the time. The majority of people just don't use either service on average. The only codes that people really do seem to value are Disney codes as they seem to be redeemed like 60 or 70% of the time though I am not sure if that is because of the rewards program (but when I sell my extra Disney blus people always ask if the codes are still good).

[twobelowpar]

UV basically means Vudu. Just think of Vudu as another iTunes, Amazon, or Google. Yes you can access it on more devices but I mean the provider itself is the only relevant UV storefront. UV outside the USA is and always will be irrelevant or completely unknown.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by veritas

I mean thats is one example of one guy who values uv over iTunes not actual sales where one sold and the other did not. I always found most of the prices kind of crazy for uv codes honestly. I can disc to digital the movie for $2 but somebody thinks they can get 8.50 for the code lol. The iTunes people probably just buy the blu ray use the code then sell the UV and Blu ray for more then they payed for the bundle at those prices.

I do notice most people on this site who prioritize redemption go itunes first then vudu if they want to try to redeem a code multiple times and want both services. I do this also personally because if I want a uv copy of most movies it would only cost me a dollar.


If we are talking about how much average people value iTunes or VUDU they both are rarely ever redeemed. When I buy a used copy of a film the hd iTunes portion is redeemed like 20% of the time and the uv portion is redeemed like 10% of the time. The majority of people just don't use either service on average. The only codes that people really do seem to value are Disney codes as they seem to be redeemed like 60 or 70% of the time though I am not sure if that is because of the rewards program (but when I sell my extra Disney blus people always ask if the codes are still good).

I am not sure I understand a lot of your post. I think there are a lot of "percentages" and "most" thrown out there, that fall in line with a democratic debate.

It doesn't matter which service you redeem first for codes with dual redemptions. If you get both, you get both.

You also can't D2D brand new releases. You can however get InstaWatch on many of them. So the guy selling the new XXX movie over a week before official release, yeah, he can probably get $8.50 from some people. That price will drop on release day.

Yes, the quote appears it is from what "one guy" is listing them for, but the ratio is spot on. UV codes list and sell for more than iTunes. There is a much higher demand for UV codes. Doesn't mean iTunes codes suck. Just means there are more buyers for UV....currently. I can't tell you how many times I replied to a sell thread for a fairly priced code ($4-$5) within the same minute it was posted only to be told I was the 5th or so person to respond. The competition has increased for buyers.

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

I am not sure I understand a lot of your post. I think there are a lot of "percentages" and "most" thrown out there, that fall in line with a democratic debate.

It doesn't matter which service you redeem first for codes with dual redemptions. If you get both, you get both.

You also can't D2D brand new releases. You can however get InstaWatch on many of them. So the guy selling the new XXX movie over a week before official release, yeah, he can probably get $8.50 from some people. That price will drop on release day.

Yes, the quote appears it is from what "one guy" is listing them for, but the ratio is spot on. UV codes list and sell for more than iTunes. There is a much higher demand for UV codes. Doesn't mean iTunes codes suck. Just means there are more buyers for UV....currently. I can't tell you how many times I replied to a sell thread for a fairly priced code ($4-$5) within the same minute it was posted only to be told I was the 5th or so person to respond. The competition has increased for buyers.

Very true.

While I agree with you, Veritas, that some UV codes are over-priced. (I do see people selling some over-priced codes that you can D2D; who knows how long it takes people to actually sell those codes...........)

But like Squatting Hen says, you can't D2D a new release. A UV code that someone is selling before release day, or on release day will sell for a lot. There is a large demand for UV codes now. The prices for new release UV codes keep slowly going up, it seems. And people do pay it.

And the prices for new UV codes are always higher than the price for new i-tunes codes. You can easily see that from the buying/selling thread here on this site: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...0953&page=4442

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dustin44

This thread has a list of US releases and what digital code you will get with each Blu-Ray release:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=236721


Here is a rundown of the US releases from the past 2 months and the digital code you will get with each Blu-ray:


May 2nd
A Dog's Purpose - UV and iTunes
Gold - UV and iTunes
Last Ship: The Complete Third Season - UV
MindGamers - UV and iTunes
One Piece Film: Gold - UV
Rings - UV and iTunes
*(Rings comes with BONUS movie The Ring and The Ring 2 - UV)
The Resurrection of Gavin Stone - UV and iTunes


April 25th
Animal Kingdom: The Complete First Season - UV
La La Land - UV and iTunes
The Girl With All the Gifts - UV
Underworld: Blood Wars - UV

April 18th
Killjoys: Season Two - UV
Sleepless - UV and iTunes
Split - UV and iTunes
Teen Titans: Judas Contract - UV
The Founder - UV OR iTunes

April 11th
Hidden Figures - iTunes or UV or Google Play
Lion - UV
Monster Trucks - UV and iTunes
Silicon Valley: The Complete Third Season - iTunes + UV + Google Play
The Bye Bye Man - UV and iTunes
Veep: Season 5 - iTunes + UV + Google Play
War on Everyone - UV

April 4th
Office Christmas Party - UV and iTunes
Patterson - UV and iTunes
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - DMA + DMR points


March 28th
20th Century Women - UV
A Monster Calls - UV and iTunes
Arsenal - UV
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - UV
Monster High: Electrified - UV and iTunes
Patriot's Day - UV and iTunes
Silence - UV and iTunes
Why Him? - iTunes or UV or Google Play

March 21st
Assassin's Creed - iTunes or UV or Google Play
Insecure Season 1 - iTunes + UV + Google Play
Live By Night - UV
Miss Sloane - UV
Sing - UV and iTunes

March 14th
Collateral Beauty - UV
Fences - UV and iTunes
Passengers - UV
Six: Season 1 - UV
Solace - UV


March 7th
Incarnate - UV and iTunes
Miss Hokusai - UV and iTunes
Moana - DMA + DMR points
Jackie - iTunes or UV or Google Play
Man Down - UV
Trespass Against Us - UV

Thanks, quite a few then.