Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I sure hit a nerve with you guys, I guess you just want to stay in your Ancient Sheltered World of 4K Movie Discs.

If you give me your address and shirt size then I will send you a “thick skull” (here) T-shirt because you deserve it more than any poster poster that I have ever come across. Most anti Blu-ray folks at AVS and other sites did learn the pros and cons of disc ownership vs EST but you appear to have learned nothing. For example, how many times does one need to point out streaming video from a server technology preceded DVD?

You are simply clueless about the entire process of content capture to disc for sale. Again, clueless about entire process of video from a CDN to an end user. Clueless

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

This site is called Blu-ray.com, not streaming.com.

It has been pointed out, more than one time, we disc buyers make this site possible because we click a title we like which takes us to Amazon and there we purchase. When we do this Blu-ray.COM receives a percentage of that sale.

These anti-disc folks know they are not welcome here but they insist on posting here anyway.

If your only purpose on this forum is to question Blu-ray as a format and bringing negativity to the forum, then you are not welcome.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Looks like Paramount is going all out for Dragonslayer (here). Really interested to hear the new Dolby Atmos sound track!!!

[Steedeel]

I finally acquired Bullet Train 4K, (they were out of stock last time I spoke to you guys), going to put The Fablemans on my list and also Crimes Of The Future.

Really starting to build my 4K collection now (will update collection when I stop being lazy)

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I finally acquired Bullet Train 4K, (they were out of stock last time I spoke to you guys), going to put The Fablemans on my list and also Crimes Of The Future.

Really starting to build my 4K collection now (will update collection when I stop being lazy)

I'm passing on the domestic release of Crimes of the Future, because Second Sight is releasing their own, which I will import.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I'm passing on the domestic release of Crimes of the Future, because Second Sight is releasing their own, which I will import.

Yeah, I’m Getting the Second Sight release.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I finally acquired Bullet Train 4K, (they were out of stock last time I spoke to you guys), going to put The Fablemans on my list and also Crimes Of The Future.

Have Fablemans on my to view list. Viewed Crimes Of The Future awhile back, was sorta weird seeing Viggo Mortensen in that type role. Have several movies with Viggo in them, my fav:

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Have Fablemans on my to view list. Viewed Crimes Of The Future awhile back, was sorta weird seeing Viggo Mortensen in that type role. Have several movies with Viggo in them, my fav:

Will look it up.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Let's say to Produce and Replicate a DVD is around $3/Disc, at 6.5 x that makes 4K $19.50/Disc.

If we're just throwing out random numbers let's say to stream a movie costs the studios $5 every time someone watches a movie. That means the studios are losing money every time someone streams a movie.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Have Fablemans on my to view list. Viewed Crimes Of The Future awhile back, was sorta weird seeing Viggo Mortensen in that type role. Have several movies with Viggo in them, my fav:

When author Robert Parker died, his estate hand-picked Ed Harris' co-screenwriter, Robert Knott, of the Appaloosa film to carry on writing books in the Virgil Cole & Everett Hitch series. There are 11 total novels and Knott wrote 6 of them (starting with 5th book called Ironhorse), with the 7th one being released in 2024. They're fantastic and after watching the film, reading the books, it's as if Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen are right there on the page, as well.

I remember a few years ago Ed Harris saying that he and Knott had also acquired the rights to the second book called Resolution, but would probably not be able to film it, since the first film didn't make much money theatrically.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If we're just throwing out random numbers let's say to stream a movie costs the studios $5 every time someone watches a movie. That means the studios are losing money every time someone streams a movie.

Originally Posted by veritas

Except discs don't cost that much to replicate. The Smallville series cost around 110 dollars on release day. Its a 42 disc set so if discs cost as much as you think they do then Warner bros would be losing 76 dollars a set since day one.

The thing is the replication costs for dvds is closer to like 50 cents to a dollar each so ya a 4k disc may cost like 3 dollars. That sounds reasonable as we have 4k releases selling at 6 to 10 dollars some of the time.

Penguin at least you keep to the Thread and don't just throw out numbers. If you look at the YouTube Video it talks about the cost of making Discs. Veritas Box Sets are priced differently, and your pricing of 50 cents is only material. We don't have hard numbers, but $15 to $19 for 4K is closer to the actual cost. Yes some 4K's will sell for much less, but that's when the higher inventory has to make up for the loss.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

We don't have hard numbers, but $15 to $19 for 4K is closer to the actual cost.

In other words: "I don't have hard numbers, so I'm going to use high numbers that make no sense because they support my point."

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Penguin at least you keep to the Thread and don't just throw out numbers. If you look at the YouTube Video it talks about the cost of making Discs. Veritas Box Sets are priced differently, and your pricing of 50 cents is only material. We don't have hard numbers, but $15 to $19 for 4K is closer to the actual cost. Yes some 4K's will sell for much less, but that's when the higher inventory has to make up for the loss.

Again your numbers are silly. Resvervoir dogs 4k released at near 13 to 15 dollars which by your range would again mean they are selling the discs at a loss on release. Its pretty common knowledge that pressing discs isn't that expensive and that discs have pretty high profit margins. Its part of why stores like dollar tree can get a steady supplies of discs.

If you do math in your head and it comes out that a company release day intended profits margin is negative 33% perhaps you should go back to the drawing board.

[Lee A Stewart]

You are all ignoring Hollywood Accounting. Yes - they could take a loss on a 4K UHD-BD but make it up in licensing out content for CBL/SAT/OTA/Streaming.

It depends how Hollywood depreciates it's assets. And it's very hard to find on their balance sheets. I know with Disney there is a Credit line item for disc sales. But the expenses to create them are buried in other Debit line items.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You are all ignoring Hollywood Accounting. Yes - they could take a loss on a 4K UHD-BD but make it up in licensing out content for CBL/SAT/OTA/Streaming.

In that case why wouldn't they just license out the content for CBL/SAT/OTA/Streaming and skip the 4K UHD-BD release? You really think that lots of companies are selling thousands of 4K UHD-BD discs and losing money on each sale?

You must have really lost it if you think that alchav is making sense.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

We don't have hard numbers, but $15 to $19 for 4K is closer to the actual cost. Yes some 4K's will sell for much less, but that's when the higher inventory has to make up for the loss.

At those numbers the following set would cost at least $450 to manufacture:



It was sold at launch for $200. You think that WB lost $250 (or more) on every set they sold?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

In that case why wouldn't they just license out the content for CBL/SAT/OTA/Streaming and skip the 4K UHD-BD release? You really think that lots of companies are selling thousands of 4K UHD-BD discs and losing money on each sale?

You must have really lost it if you think that alchav is making sense.

Who said each sale? You honestly believe they make a profit on every single release? That's naive of you.

Go check out the latest sales chart - look specifically at the UHD-BD number. You really think that translates into making a profit?

Here - I will save you the effort:

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Who said each sale? You honestly believe they make a profit on every single release? That's naive of you.

Go check out the latest sales chart - look specifically at the UHD-BD number. You really think that translates into making a profit?

Here - I will save you the effort:

Trust you to pick one of the lowest weeks in the last 15 months.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

At those numbers the following set would cost at least $450 to manufacture:



It was sold at launch for $200. You think that WB lost $250 (or more) on every set they sold?

Box Sets are priced differently, but they must be expensive to make. It depends on what kind of Profit Margin, but the Studio putting it out has to take on a lot of Cost!

[Wendell R. Breland]

IMO it does not do any good to argue with Blu-ray disc haters. After the format war was over there was a flood of post claiming Blu-ray disc were much more brittle than DVD therefore more prone to be damaged in mailing. The haters ignored Netflix stating there was essentially no difference in the number of disc damaged. This went on for some time till I posted some graphics and made them out to be liars. There were many post that stated, “put the disc in and would not play, ejected and it had a small crack on the edge”. Many even had photos. What they did not know disc (LD, CD, DVD, Blu-ray) is not like a LP, disc reads from the inside to the out side so a small crack on the edge would not prevent the disc from starting.

Others claimed Netflix was having to pay full first class postage both ways for disc rentals and the package weighed more than 1 oz. So I took a disc that was received and weighed on two different certified Pitney Bowes scales and they weighed 1 oz. Next I provided a link to USPS that showed first class business reply was a fair amount less than a one at a time normal first class. AFAIK, Netflix is the only mailer that uses first class Permit Reply Mail, that is they pay round trip postage when they mail a disc out and you can bet it is cheaper than first class business reply mail.

Point of post, you can present all the facts you want but haters will continue with their BS post. One fact they can not change, you, the enthusiast, will enjoy your movies in the best quality available!!!