Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Texan26

5.6% increase from the previous year is not falling. It's not a big increase but it's not falling. It was still an increase and not a negative percentage. It just wasn't as big an increase as previous years.

Physical sales (DVD and blu-ray) were down 14.3% in the first quarter. Now that is falling.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/res...reased-2-40026

Well Bluray was up 0.1% apparently at end of Q4 By your comment it was falling. You can't have it both ways.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by flyry

Steedeel calling fake news on Home media magazine!

I'm sure digital will have a strong year with Logan, Beauty and the Beast, guardians 2 and wonder woman on the way this year. (disc too of course)

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How am I calling fake news? I have already acknowledged that those are new figures just in for Q1 this year.

I can't comment on something I haven't seen. It's only a few days old.

If you know anything about statistics, you know you can skew them anyway you want. Digital HD is here to stay, and is only getting better day by day. If you can't see this you are blind. People love their Movies and TV Shows, and the sooner they can see them the better. This can only happen with Digital HD!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

If you know anything about statistics, you know you can skew them anyway you want. Digital HD is here to stay, and is only getting better day by day. If you can't see this you are blind. People love their Movies and TV Shows, and the sooner they can see them the better. This can only happen with Digital HD!

So why is box office struggling And the boom days of DVD all but vanished?
Why is Netflix surch huge hit while Digital HD can't make up for the decline in disc sales?

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well Bluray was up 0.1% apparently at end of Q4 By your comment it was falling. You can't have it both ways.

And what comment is that? I'm not understanding. The one you're quoting is first quarter this year. Physical sales went down 14.6% first quarter from previous year. That's a negative percentage. A single digit positive percentage is an increase.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes. That is correct. So where did I say they haven't? Do you realise that information is new and had only just been released for Q1 this year.
The previous statements I made were from q4 last year. Nobody knew those figures until a few days ago. You must have missed the post where I acknowledged that fact.

you said "falling is falling" in relation to a post with the article I quoted. lol.

And who cares if it's only 1 quarter. Beauty and the beast is going to be bigger than rogue one not to mention logan and the other titles I mentioned.

Q 2 and 3 will big

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

you said "falling is falling" in relation to a post with the article I quoted. lol.

And who cares if it's only 1 quarter. Beauty and the beast is going to be bigger than rogue one not to mention logan and the other titles I mentioned.

Q 2 and 3 will big

All of which will be good sellers on. Blu Ray also.. Bluray is starting to hit it's stride now after a slow start to the year.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

you said "falling is falling" in relation to a post with the article I quoted. lol.

And who cares if it's only 1 quarter. Beauty and the beast is going to be bigger than rogue one not to mention logan and the other titles I mentioned.

Q 2 and 3 will big

Depends what it's up against from last year.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Texan26

And what comment is that? I'm not understanding. The one you're quoting is first quarter this year. Physical sales went down 14.6% first quarter from previous year. That's a negative percentage. A single digit positive percentage is an increase.

My point is Bluray is not down. DVD is.

[BlakkMajik3000]

I think the only thing UV did was make VUDU more popular. If that was their intent, good job. However, that's not how they sold the format to consumers.

At this point, plenty of people are locked in to VUDU. Just because a few other second-rate storefronts support the format, I guarantee most people would not switch to another provider if VUDU stopped supporting UV. VUDU now has enough clout that they can drop UV and demand codes that only work with them. I honestly feel like the only reason they haven't gone full "VUDU digital copy only" is because UV has essentially already done that work for them.

There's a strange irony to the whole UV vs. iTunes thing. UV was created to wrestle control of the digital movie market away from Apple, when all they ultimately did was create another iTunes. If VUDU pulls out of UV, the format is done. How strong is a system when it only has one relevant implementation?

[randian]

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

There's a strange irony to the whole UV vs. iTunes thing. UV was created to wrestle control of the digital movie market away from Apple, when all they ultimately did was create another iTunes.

Even better, in their haste to cease issuing digital copy codes that work with iTunes the studios gave Vudu stronger lock-in than iTunes ever had.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

I think the only thing UV did was make VUDU more popular. If that was their intent, good job. However, that's not how they sold the format to consumers.

At this point, plenty of people are locked in to VUDU. Just because a few other second-rate storefronts support the format, I guarantee most people would not switch to another provider if VUDU stopped supporting UV. VUDU now has enough clout that they can drop UV and demand codes that only work with them. I honestly feel like the only reason they haven't gone full "VUDU digital copy only" is because UV has essentially already done that work for them.

There's a strange irony to the whole UV vs. iTunes thing. UV was created to wrestle control of the digital movie market away from Apple, when all they ultimately did was create another iTunes. If VUDU pulls out of UV, the format is done. How strong is a system when it only has one relevant implementation?

FandangoNow exists and I use that sometimes for UV. if Vudu ever went away I'd be sad but I'd switch to that. I think cinemanow is still around even though BB dropped it. Target Ticket failed though. But either way it's nice to know there is a choice. Something Apple will NEVER give.

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by flyry

FandangoNow exists and I use that sometimes for UV. if Vudu ever went away I'd be sad but I'd switch to that. I think cinemanow is still around even though BB dropped it. Target Ticket failed though. But either way it's nice to know there is a choice. Something Apple will NEVER give.

FandangoNow only exists because they bought MGO. They are nowhere near a major threat to other storefronts like iTunes & Amazon.

Apple has no incentive to give a choice outside of providing the iTunes software on Windows. They sell plenty of hardware to justify keeping their system as closed off as it is.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

I think the only thing UV did was make VUDU more popular. If that was their intent, good job. However, that's not how they sold the format to consumers.

At this point, plenty of people are locked in to VUDU. Just because a few other second-rate storefronts support the format, I guarantee most people would not switch to another provider if VUDU stopped supporting UV. VUDU now has enough clout that they can drop UV and demand codes that only work with them. I honestly feel like the only reason they haven't gone full "VUDU digital copy only" is because UV has essentially already done that work for them.

There's a strange irony to the whole UV vs. iTunes thing. UV was created to wrestle control of the digital movie market away from Apple, when all they ultimately did was create another iTunes. If VUDU pulls out of UV, the format is done. How strong is a system when it only has one relevant implementation?

VUDU is just way more organized than the other UV providers. I've tried CinemaNow and Fandango and they are very disorganized. I also have the Amazon app on my Roku and they are so disorganized also. The only movies I have on there are my Disney movies that i have linked and I can't even organize them in alphabetical order on the app. I can on the website but not on the app. So I can't imagine myself adding more movies on there if it's that disorganized. I've seen cheap digital movies that are on Amazon and not Vudu but I still won't buy them. On VUDU, I can organize my movies by alphabetical order, genre, movie release date, purchase date, most watched, MPAA rating. I only use the Amazon app for Amazon Prime and even that needs some work compared to the Netflix app.

I've never tried iTunes for movies even though I have an iPhone, iPad, and Macbook but it's too late since I already have over 1500 movies on VUDU.

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by Texan26

I've never tried iTunes for movies even though I have an iPhone, iPad, and Macbook but it's too late since I already have over 1500 movies on VUDU.

This kind of helps reiterate my point. If UV became what it should have been, you wouldn't feel locked to VUDU.

When it comes to digital distribution, only Disney has got it right so far. Every EST provider that really matters supports DMA. Not sure why UV can't do the same.

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by Texan26

I've never tried iTunes for movies even though I have an iPhone, iPad, and Macbook but it's too late since I already have over 1500 movies on VUDU.

I have close to 700 movies in Vudu and a little over 200 in iTunes. I'm too far committed to Vudu to leave it an switch to iTunes and rebuying movies, not all of them but at least a couple hundred that I care for most, in iTunes that I have in my Vudu account. I spend too much money in Vudu such as D2D of my blu-rays, buying UV codes, and buying movies directly through Vudu. I considered buying an Apple TV and leaving Vudu completely for iTunes but it does not seem like a sensible decision for me and I rather have all my digital movies in one digital library. I did use iTunes about a year ago and had an Apple TV 32GB, and streaming through iTunes seemed more stable on my unstable internet connection than streaming through Vudu but I still experienced a disconnection from iTunes while streaming when my internet connection was out for about 5 minutes even though the progress bar showed I had around 1 hour of the movie cached ahead. I just can't get myself to buy an Apple TV again and switch to iTunes. In fact I was at Best Buy today an almost bought an Apple TV 32 GB but instead bought 2 blu-rays, Moonlight and Knocked Up. I have not completely abandoned blu-rays. I just can't value digital movies as much as a blu-ray.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

This kind of helps reiterate my point. If UV became what it should have been, you wouldn't feel locked to VUDU.

When it comes to digital distribution, only Disney has got it right so far. Every EST provider that really matters supports DMA. Not sure why UV can't do the same.

But why would I want to use another app, if VUDU does everything I need it to do? It's available on all my devices even though 99% of the time I only use it on my Roku. I don't even care if a movie is ultraviolet or not. I buy a lot of non ultraviolet movies from VUDU.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

FandangoNow only exists because they bought MGO. They are nowhere near a major threat to other storefronts like iTunes & Amazon.

Apple has no incentive to give a choice outside of providing the iTunes software on Windows. They sell plenty of hardware to justify keeping their system as closed off as it is.

1. Doesn't Matter.
2. No one said they were. Most people probably had no clue it existed until they ran that 50% super bowl deal this year.
3. The fact is they are still another option for me to watch and/or purchase new and existing UV titles. You don't get a choice with itunes. I can even watch my movies on old ass flixster if I want.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PCFan

I have close to 700 movies in Vudu and a little over 200 in iTunes. I'm too far committed to Vudu to leave it an switch to iTunes and rebuying movies, not all of them but at least a couple hundred that I care for most, in iTunes that I have in my Vudu account. I spend too much money in Vudu such as D2D of my blu-rays, buying UV codes, and buying movies directly through Vudu. I considered buying an Apple TV and leaving Vudu completely for iTunes but it does not seem like a sensible decision for me and I rather have all my digital movies in one digital library. I did use iTunes about a year ago and had an Apple TV 32GB, and streaming through iTunes seemed more stable on my unstable internet connection than streaming through Vudu but I still experienced a disconnection from iTunes while streaming when my internet connection was out for about 5 minutes even though the progress bar showed I had around 1 hour of the movie cached ahead. I just can't get myself to buy an Apple TV again and switch to iTunes. In fact I was at Best Buy today an almost bought an Apple TV 32 GB but instead bought 2 blu-rays, Moonlight and Knocked Up. I have not completely abandoned blu-rays. I just can't value digital movies as much as a blu-ray.

I was reading your Posts, and it seems you have a Streaming problem. You said you have Ethernet and 45Mbps, which should be sufficient. Something is knocking your speed down. Are you using a GibaBit Router and Switch if needed? Who is your ISP, and have you tested your speeds? For consistent Streaming you do need a solid setup and connection.

[PCFan]

I'm using a Gb ethernet connection all the way to the modem. My XBox One is connected to a Netgear Gb switch in my bedroom. The modem/router is Gb speed supported and is in the family room. I use U-verse as my internet provider. I'm not sure if I actually have Cat 6 cabling between the walls but file transfers showed 111 MB/s from the NAS that was in the family room to my PC in my bedroom when I connected a NAS directly to the modem/router. The cabling between the walls for the network installation was done about 16 years ago, so that's why I'm not sure if it's Cat 6 cabling. Speedtest.net shows around 50.2 Mbps

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PCFan

I'm using a Gb ethernet connection all the way to the modem. My XBox One is connected to a Netgear Gb switch in my bedroom. The modem/router is Gb speed supported and is in the family room. I use U-verse as my internet provider. I'm not sure if I actually have Cat 6 cabling between the walls but file transfers showed 111 MB/s from the NAS that was in the family room to my PC in my bedroom when I connected a NAS directly to the modem/router. The cabling between the walls for the network installation was done about 16 years ago, so that's why I'm not sure if it's Cat 6 cabling. Speedtest.net shows around 50.2 Mbps

It sounds like a good setup, U-Verse is not Symmetrical and probably Bonded Copper Pairs. What is your upload speed? The Xbox is for Gaming, does it have good Streaming Apps? What is your TV, you said it had Streaming Apps. Was that connected with Ethernet too?