Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by flyry

Does anyone other than Universal even do Itunes anymore?

Sony and Warner are the only studios that no longer offer iTunes redemptions.

Universal and Paramount usually offer both UV and iTunes, while Fox generally offers a single redemption for either iTunes, UV, or Google Play.

Lionsgate doesn't seem to follow a particular pattern, other than their big releases usually being iTunes and UV. The "Is It Redeemable..." thread has more information.


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[veritas]

Originally Posted by flyry

Does anyone other than Universal even do Itunes anymore?

fox for new stuff, disney, hbo, lucus film (before it was bought by Disney indiana jones films) , lions gate and paramount. Probably other but those are the ones I can think of at the top of my head.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by flyry

Does anyone other than Universal even do Itunes anymore?

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

Sony and Warner are the only studios that no longer offer iTunes redemptions.

Universal and Paramount usually offer both UV and iTunes, while Fox generally offers a single redemption for either iTunes, UV, or Google Play.

Lionsgate doesn't seem to follow a particular pattern, other than their big releases usually being iTunes and UV. The "Is It Redeemable..." thread has more information.

I think we all agree that Digital HD is going to be around for a while. Now it seems it's down to iTunes or UV, and UV is a little more Universal. iTunes doesn't like to play nice with everyone. We all want one Locker, but it doesn't seem like this will be possible. So until something better comes along, I think the right choice is UV!

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I think we all agree that Digital HD is going to be around for a while. Now it seems it's down to iTunes or UV, and UV is a little more Universal. iTunes doesn't like to play nice with everyone. We all want one Locker, but it doesn't seem like this will be possible. So until something better comes along, I think the right choice is UV!

Amazon probably wont go anywhere since they are also a streaming service and everybody loves streaming services these days.

iTunes wont go anywhere because they make their money off of hardware and iTunes works perfectly for incentivizing people to use apple hardware and and stay loyal customers. Basically iTunes could be a lossleader for apple and apple would be fine with it because that is not where apple makes its real money.

uv might go away. Target and best buy both already gave up on uv and Walmart has a history of screwing over digital purchasers when a program doesn't make them enough money. UV also has a really terrible international presence compared to amazon and apple. If you look at how Walmart handled in store disc to digital you can really tell Walmart just doesn't care much for vudu. Walmart was given a huge number of advantages the other distributors were not given but for the most part Walmart just seemed to do a half ass job. If the studios ever take away Walmart subsidies Walmart might just call it quits with uv all together.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by veritas

Amazon probably wont go anywhere since they are also a streaming service and everybody loves streaming services these days.

iTunes wont go anywhere because they make their money off of hardware and iTunes works perfectly for incentivizing people to use apple hardware and and stay loyal customers. Basically iTunes could be a lossleader for apple and apple would be fine with it because that is not where apple makes its real money.

uv might go away. Target and best buy both already gave up on uv and Walmart has a history of screwing over digital purchasers when a program doesn't make them enough money. UV also has a really terrible international presence compared to amazon and apple. If you look at how Walmart handled in store disc to digital you can really tell Walmart just doesn't care much for vudu. Walmart was given a huge number of advantages the other distributors were not given but for the most part Walmart just seemed to do a half ass job. If the studios ever take away Walmart subsidies Walmart might just call it quits with uv all together.

I agree. I think Amazon are spiting themselves with U.V. If they did work together, they would dominate the Digital HD scene overnight.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I think we all agree that Digital HD is going to be around for a while. Now it seems it's down to iTunes or UV, and UV is a little more Universal. iTunes doesn't like to play nice with everyone. We all want one Locker, but it doesn't seem like this will be possible. So until something better comes along, I think the right choice is UV!

UV is useless unless you live in America. That's a fact.

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by veritas

uv might go away. Target and best buy both already gave up on uv and Walmart has a history of screwing over digital purchasers when a program doesn't make them enough money. UV also has a really terrible international presence compared to amazon and apple. If you look at how Walmart handled in store disc to digital you can really tell Walmart just doesn't care much for vudu. Walmart was given a huge number of advantages the other distributors were not given but for the most part Walmart just seemed to do a half ass job. If the studios ever take away Walmart subsidies Walmart might just call it quits with uv all together.

Well, we are talking about Wal-Mart in-store employees here.......Most employees just didn't know how to do it, or just didn't care and just said they couldn't do it.

Which is probably why in-store D2D is gone now and replaced with the mobile D2D program.

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I agree. I think Amazon are spiting themselves with U.V. If they did work together, they would dominate the Digital HD scene overnight.

I gotta agree with you there. Amazon & UV together would be a monster!

[dublinbluray108]

So far; my experience of Flixster in Ireland has been disappointing. I downloaded 2 movies, which was supposed to be HD, which was one action movie & one animation movie. The PQ Justice League vs Teens Titans downloaded on Flixster looked really good; it just had some included some banding in small parts of the movie. Everything else though went fine.

The movie before that was Batman V Superman Dawn of Justice and that experience was much worse. That had suffered more problems than it was worth. Poor sound, poor picture & buffering in the first 10 minutes of the movie. The scene in where the buffering happened was when Bruce Wayne was trying to rescue people just after Wayne Tower collapsed when he was trying to get through all the debris.

I know that it was meant to be HD downloads but I thought that the experience was to be much better than expected.

It is a known fact that the Blu-ray editions of these movies are going to much more superior in picture & sound than the download in this case. At least it is good to have the choice to know which format is the best one to look out for.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I agree. I think Amazon are spiting themselves with U.V. If they did work together, they would dominate the Digital HD scene overnight.

Agreed. I would rather spend my money with Amazon than Walmart, but that's not going to happen with UV movies until Amazon decides to join UV.

I don't buy ANYTHING ANYWHERE that pigeon hole's me to a single service.

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[twobelowpar]

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

Sony and Warner are the only studios that no longer offer iTunes redemptions.

Universal and Paramount usually offer both UV and iTunes, while Fox generally offers a single redemption for either iTunes, UV, or Google Play.

Lionsgate doesn't seem to follow a particular pattern, other than their big releases usually being iTunes and UV. The "Is It Redeemable..." thread has more information.


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Yeah, Lionsgate does for most of its releases. And now Starz/Anchor Bay are beginning to as well (so far it's been The Founder and Gold). Sony and WB are the only holdouts.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Agreed. I would rather spend my money with Amazon than Walmart, but that's not going to happen with UV movies until Amazon decides to join UV.

I don't buy ANYTHING ANYWHERE that pigeon hole's me to a single service.

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I would rather spend my money on disc!

I just wonder if/when the day comes that I can't buy discs, will there be something in place for me to seamlessly start watching high quality content equivalent to Bluray. Surely something would be organised for the U.K as they can't risk people not buying movies anymore once disc is dead. . If the option was Flixster/UV or nothing, I think I would just call it a day. No big screen, no movies as far as I am concerned.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I would rather spend my money on disc!

I just wonder if/when the day comes that I can't buy discs, will there be something in place for me to seamlessly start watching high quality content equivalent to Bluray. Surely something would be organised for the U.K as they can't risk people not buying movies anymore once disc is dead. . If the option was Flixster/UV or nothing, I think I would just call it a day. No big screen, no movies as far as I am concerned.

I think I have mentioned this before. I only got into digital because of the low cost of codes. As an example, if I only had $20 that week to spend on a movie, I would rather get 4-5 digital movies compared to one physical movie. Yeah, the quality might be a little bit lower on the digital, but I could also enjoy 3-4 additional movies that I would not be able to enjoy if I bought disc. Recently, I have lowered that to maybe 2-3 a month. If I was loaded, it would be physical for the adults, and digital for the kids. I am sure there would be one offs on each side. If I was crazy rich, of course it wouldn't matter as I would just buy whatever I wanted without the care of having the same title on physical, iTunes and Vudu.

I couldn't imagine being able to just click buy now whenever I wanted on a whim. Would be pretty nice.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

I think I have mentioned this before. I only got into digital because of the low cost of codes. As an example, if I only had $20 that week to spend on a movie, I would rather get 4-5 digital movies compared to one physical movie. Yeah, the quality might be a little bit lower on the digital, but I could also enjoy 3-4 additional movies that I would not be able to enjoy if I bought disc. Recently, I have lowered that to maybe 2-3 a month. If I was loaded, it would be physical for the adults, and digital for the kids. I am sure there would be one offs on each side. If I was crazy rich, of course it wouldn't matter as I would just buy whatever I wanted without the care of having the same title on physical, iTunes and Vudu.

I couldn't imagine being able to just click buy now whenever I wanted on a whim. Would be pretty nice.

That is true!

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by veritas

iTunes wont go anywhere because they make their money off of hardware and iTunes works perfectly for incentivizing people to use apple hardware and and stay loyal customers.

Actually services (which includes iTunes sales/rentals, Apple Music, app store, iCloud and a few other things) are now a very substantial business for Apple. Revenue is about $7 billion ... per quarter. That's about three times as big as Netflix, and it's their fastest growing segment, while many of their hardware products are stagnating. Unfortunately they don't break down the number further in their quarterly reports, so it's not clear how much of that is movie sales/rentals.

uv might go away. Target and best buy both already gave up on uv and Walmart has a history of screwing over digital purchasers when a program doesn't make them enough money. UV also has a really terrible international presence compared to amazon and apple. If you look at how Walmart handled in store disc to digital you can really tell Walmart just doesn't care much for vudu.

I think people here have a somewhat skewed view of the EST market, because this forum is still largely about Blu-ray. UV is only relevant for digital copy redemptions from physical discs. But that is not an interesting market for the industry. There is very little money in it; digital copies basically only exist to slow down the shrinking of the physical disc market. Looking forward, EST sales and rentals (iVOD) from the stores are what counts, and here Vudu is a distant third behind iTunes and Amazon.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Agreed. I would rather spend my money with Amazon than Walmart, but that's not going to happen with UV movies until Amazon decides to join UV.

I don't buy ANYTHING ANYWHERE that pigeon hole's me to a single service.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I would rather spend my money on disc!

I just wonder if/when the day comes that I can't buy discs, will there be something in place for me to seamlessly start watching high quality content equivalent to Bluray. Surely something would be organised for the U.K as they can't risk people not buying movies anymore once disc is dead. . If the option was Flixster/UV or nothing, I think I would just call it a day. No big screen, no movies as far as I am concerned.

I can't believe you're still putting Digital HD down when in fact with UHD it's better than Blu-ray. I'm sure Discs will be around for a while, but I don't know anyone that buys them anymore. All the people that I talk to, use Amazon, Netflix, or a Streaming Provider like Vudu. Most stopped buying DVD's and Blu-rays years ago. I watch everything in Digital HD, I can't remember the last time I watched a Disc. If your Big Screen UHD TV is setup properly with enough Bandwidth, nothing else is needed!

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I can't believe you're still putting Digital HD down when in fact with UHD it's better than Blu-ray. I'm sure Discs will be around for a while, but I don't know anyone that buys them anymore. All the people that I talk to, use Amazon, Netflix, or a Streaming Provider like Vudu. Most stopped buying DVD's and Blu-rays years ago. I watch everything in Digital HD, I can't remember the last time I watched a Disc. If your Big Screen UHD TV is setup properly with enough Bandwidth, nothing else is needed!

You forgot to pimp out fiber this time.

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

You forgot to pimp out fiber this time.

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He is hard wired don't you know?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I can't believe you're still putting Digital HD down when in fact with UHD it's better than Blu-ray. I'm sure Discs will be around for a while, but I don't know anyone that buys them anymore. All the people that I talk to, use Amazon, Netflix, or a Streaming Provider like Vudu. Most stopped buying DVD's and Blu-rays years ago. I watch everything in Digital HD, I can't remember the last time I watched a Disc. If your Big Screen UHD TV is setup properly with enough Bandwidth, nothing else is needed!

Just not seeing it. Netflix, yeah. Digital HD? It's a U.S.A thing. It's not even worth keeping the UV slip here. I just throw it in the bin.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I can't believe you're still putting Digital HD down when in fact with UHD it's better than Blu-ray. I'm sure Discs will be around for a while, but I don't know anyone that buys them anymore. All the people that I talk to, use Amazon, Netflix, or a Streaming Provider like Vudu. Most stopped buying DVD's and Blu-rays years ago. I watch everything in Digital HD, I can't remember the last time I watched a Disc. If your Big Screen UHD TV is setup properly with enough Bandwidth, nothing else is needed!

Originally Posted by whipnet

You forgot to pimp out fiber this time.

Of course, everything is better with Fiber, especially from AT&T or Verizon!