Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by whipnet

You forgot to pimp out fiber this time.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

He is hard wired don't you know?

Yea, Wireless is for the Birds, even my Network Laser Printer is Wired. I did Contract Work in the Silicon Valley, and all the Tech Companies used Ethernet. Solid Connections are the only way to go!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yea, Wireless is for the Birds, even my Network Laser Printer is Wired. I did Contract Work in the Silicon Valley, and all the Tech Companies used Ethernet. Solid Connections are the only way to go!

I don't need them. I just pop in my Bluray. Instant satisfaction!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yea, Wireless is for the Birds, even my Network Laser Printer is Wired. I did Contract Work in the Silicon Valley, and all the Tech Companies used Ethernet. Solid Connections are the only way to go!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don't need them. I just pop in my Bluray. Instant satisfaction!

You guys laugh, but even knowledgeable Tech's think Wireless is just as good as Wired. So this is another big reason people feel Disc is better than Digital HD. Setup your Streaming properly, and you will be Rewarded!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys laugh, but even knowledgeable Tech's think Wireless is just as good as Wired. So this is another big reason people feel Disc is better than Digital HD. Setup your Streaming properly, and you will be Rewarded!

I'm already rewarded. Streaming has compromises, I don't do compromises.

Read my comments a few pages back. They will start charging more for us to watch a film on the big screen, mark my words. Everyone will just flock to the cheap ass smartphone option.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys laugh, but even knowledgeable Tech's think Wireless is just as good as Wired. So this is another big reason people feel Disc is better than Digital HD. Setup your Streaming properly, and you will be Rewarded!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I'm already rewarded. Streaming has compromises, I don't do compromises.

Read my comments a few pages back. They will start charging more for us to watch a film on the big screen, mark my words. Everyone will just flock to the cheap ass smartphone option.

Well the Postings have calmed down, but I guess there are still quite a few that think Disc will be around for a while. I ran across this Article that Sony Pictures took a dramatic loss in the Movie Business.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...movie-business

They said, “The decline in the DVD and Blue-ray market was faster than we anticipated,” so things are moving faster than you guys thought. Like I said, no one that I know buys DVD's or Blu-rays anymore. That means Digital HD is here to stay, the only question is which Platform to use. I'm all in with UV because of PC vs Apple, but I guess if you're invested in both you can slide one way or another. Anyway, more Food for Thought.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys laugh, but even knowledgeable Tech's think Wireless is just as good as Wired. So this is another big reason people feel Disc is better than Digital HD. Setup your Streaming properly, and you will be Rewarded!

You make a good case. I run a Cisco ASA with hardwired Roku's as well as a AC Wi-fi for the other devices, and personal domain and DNS server. I can stream 4 HD movies flawlessly at full bars. However I still find myself popping in the disk for better sound if anything else even though streaming has made progress with some movies.

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well the Postings have calmed down, but I guess there are still quite a few that think Disc will be around for a while. I ran across this Article that Sony Pictures took a dramatic loss in the Movie Business.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...movie-business

They said, “The decline in the DVD and Blue-ray market was faster than we anticipated,” so things are moving faster than you guys thought. Like I said, no one that I know buys DVD's or Blu-rays anymore. That means Digital HD is here to stay, the only question is which Platform to use. I'm all in with UV because of PC vs Apple, but I guess if you're invested in both you can slide one way or another. Anyway, more Food for Thought.

IMO, It's just excuses. Some companies had great years on disc. In my opinion, it was stinkers like the new Ghostbusters and desperate releases like Angry Birds won't help either. Sony have been unable to get a grip on Digital releases also. Their Digital store is irrelevant and I don't know a single person who uses it.
While the DVD market has declined rapidly, Bluray has not. But it's easier blaming something else. They will be blaming Digital HD when things get even worse.

Anyone with any sense knows Bluray is still holding its own. The official yearly statements still backs that up.

Digital HD won't last as long as Bluray has. I just can't see it. It will fizzle out and subscription will dominate with disc still being out there for serious collectors. What you guys fail to realise is Bluray is providing codes for people to sell. What do you think will happen when they go away? Even many Digital fans say they wouldn't dream of paying full price. Just let the penny drop with that and think ahead.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Digital HD won't last as long as Bluray has. I just can't see it. It will fizzle out and subscription will dominate with disc still being out there for serious collectors. What you guys fail to realise is Bluray is providing codes for people to sell. What do you think will happen when they go away? Even many Digital fans say they wouldn't dream of paying full price. Just let the penny drop with that and think ahead.

All that digital HD revenue is not from the selling of cheap codes. In the grand scheme of things, these are just a few people in here selling and buying cheap codes. People will pay full price if it's the only thing available or wait for a price drop like they do for blu-rays. The selling of cheap codes is no different than the selling of cheap blu-rays. I joined this forum because of the Movie and TV deals subforum to find cheap prices for blu-rays.

Subscription will continue to get the most revenue but it doesn't provide the new releases that people want to see right away. I think both digital and physical will continue to coexist along with subscription for a very long time.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well the Postings have calmed down, but I guess there are still quite a few that think Disc will be around for a while. I ran across this Article that Sony Pictures took a dramatic loss in the Movie Business.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...movie-business

They said, “The decline in the DVD and Blue-ray market was faster than we anticipated,” so things are moving faster than you guys thought. Like I said, no one that I know buys DVD's or Blu-rays anymore. That means Digital HD is here to stay, the only question is which Platform to use. I'm all in with UV because of PC vs Apple, but I guess if you're invested in both you can slide one way or another. Anyway, more Food for Thought.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

IMO, It's just excuses. Some companies had great years on disc. In my opinion, it was stinkers like the new Ghostbusters and desperate releases like Angry Birds won't help either. Sony have been unable to get a grip on Digital releases also. Their Digital store is irrelevant and I don't know a single person who uses it.
While the DVD market has declined rapidly, Bluray has not. But it's easier blaming something else. They will be blaming Digital HD when things get even worse.

Anyone with any sense knows Bluray is still holding its own. The official yearly statements still backs that up.

Digital HD won't last as long as Bluray has. I just can't see it. It will fizzle out and subscription will dominate with disc still being out there for serious collectors. What you guys fail to realise is Bluray is providing codes for people to sell. What do you think will happen when they go away? Even many Digital fans say they wouldn't dream of paying full price. Just let the penny drop with that and think ahead.

Steedeel, In your Opinion you're in Denial, Discs are History Digital HD is here to stay. Technology moves on, what do you think will be the next Media Show Case? Do you honestly think people will be buying Discs, and playing them in their Players? With Digital HD there are so many options, say good bye to Discs!

[dublinbluray108]

I would not stick to be solely dependent with Digital HD long term. People like myself would need to have options.

I am a recent watcher of Blu-rays in the past few weeks & I think the quality of it is just outstanding.

Digital HD could be extremely popular in the US.

When I try to use Digital HD in Ireland; I mostly discover the UV codes when I buy used Blu-rays. I have redeemed them myself numerous times when I login to Flixster Video. But I am surprised that I am able to do this so easily because I could have thought these codes were already used. I tried to get a UV code for Kick Ass 2 from Universal Ireland via an email before. Their reply was that they gave me the code & an Digital HD UV code for Oblivion as an extra Christmas gift. That was over a year ago.

This would also tell me that people in Ireland who discover UV codes in new or used Blu-rays would not have the expertise or have the ability to care about UV at all. These are who would only watch the disc once and then place it in their computer hard drive to rip it or to not watch it again because they resell the hard copy to a used video store.

Another over riding reason for low UV uptake in Ireland is that the standard of broadband availability is currently really poor. Most places still do not have a fibre connection as of yet as the rollout of it by their commercial companies is really slow & expensive. That means large rural parts of the country are left out of the lurch of getting high speeds broadband available to it's own inhabitants & businesses in towns & cities across the Republic of Ireland.

The popularity of Digital HD in any part of the world could be skewed to fit a individual own personal agenda. I would be very cautious about giving this form of media a thumbs up myself.

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel, In your Opinion you're in Denial, Discs are History Digital HD is here to stay. Technology moves on, what do you think will be the next Media Show Case? Do you honestly think people will be buying Discs, and playing them in their Players? With Digital HD there are so many options, say good bye to Discs!

Please provide proof discs are history.

Even with music, digital has not been able to eliminate disc entirely. The fact of the matter is, there are still millions of people that prefer to own physical instead of digital.

Part of the problem with digital movies is the lack of a unified standard. If I buy a blu ray, it will play on any blu-ray player I buy. If I buy a CD, it will play on any CD player I buy. If I buy a DVD, it will play on any DVD player I buy. With digital, if I buy a movie from (insert digital storefront here), it will only play on devices that storefront supports.

Digital HD still has hurdles. There needs to be a unified standard and DRM-free downloads. Even then, disc will still be a thing. Not everyone has the bandwidth speed/cap to stream/download digital movies.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel, In your Opinion you're in Denial, Discs are History Digital HD is here to stay. Technology moves on, what do you think will be the next Media Show Case? Do you honestly think people will be buying Discs, and playing them in their Players? With Digital HD there are so many options, say good bye to Discs!

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

Please provide proof discs are history.

Even with music, digital has not been able to eliminate disc entirely. The fact of the matter is, there are still millions of people that prefer to own physical instead of digital.

Part of the problem with digital movies is the lack of a unified standard. If I buy a blu ray, it will play on any blu-ray player I buy. If I buy a CD, it will play on any CD player I buy. If I buy a DVD, it will play on any DVD player I buy. With digital, if I buy a movie from (insert digital storefront here), it will only play on devices that storefront supports.

Digital HD still has hurdles. There needs to be a unified standard and DRM-free downloads. Even then, disc will still be a thing. Not everyone has the bandwidth speed/cap to stream/download digital movies.

You want proof, think about 10 people that you know, and maybe at the most 3 will still consistently buy Disc Movies. People with kids should be excluded, because all they buy are Animated ones. Let's face it, Discs are on the way out Digital HD is here to stay and people want it now!

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You want proof, think about 10 people that you know, and maybe at the most 3 will still consistently buy Disc Movies. People with kids should be excluded, because all they buy are Animated ones. Let's face it, Discs are on the way out Digital HD is here to stay and people want it now!

I think this thought experiment would come out with:

3/10 people buying discs
5-8/10 people wont pay at all and will either not watch or free tv or libraries or piracy
8/10 people doing streaming or cable
1-2/10 people buying digital from amazon once in a great while (since that is partly where they stream).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You want proof, think about 10 people that you know, and maybe at the most 3 will still consistently buy Disc Movies. People with kids should be excluded, because all they buy are Animated ones. Let's face it, Discs are on the way out Digital HD is here to stay and people want it now!

Why should we discount kids movies? The increase in Digital sales in Q1 was brought about by mainly kids films. Someone provided the link and it was there in black and white. You are making the rules up as you go along. by your rules, we need to discount those figures now then because they are just kids movies?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by veritas

I think this thought experiment would come out with:

3/10 people buying discs
5-8/10 people wont pay at all and will either not watch or free tv or libraries or piracy
8/10 people doing streaming or cable
1-2/10 people buying digital from amazon once in a great while (since that is partly where they stream).

Going forward, user generated content will rival or possibly replace Netflix, Amazon etc.. I will just be glad if films are still here. More and more people are visiting Youtube, Facebook alive and Periscope. So that will be a factor going forward.

In truth, I don't see Digital HD lasting. That's the truth.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel, In your Opinion you're in Denial, Discs are History Digital HD is here to stay. Technology moves on, what do you think will be the next Media Show Case? Do you honestly think people will be buying Discs, and playing them in their Players? With Digital HD there are so many options, say good bye to Discs!

Like I say, if you are so sure, lay your money down. 10 more years? In its current form, not some subscription equivalent?

As for UV, it doesn't exist outside the U.S to most countries. Where is the expansion going to come from? It's like a house built on a cliff side. Eventually, it's going to fall.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Texan26

All that digital HD revenue is not from the selling of cheap codes. In the grand scheme of things, these are just a few people in here selling and buying cheap codes. People will pay full price if it's the only thing available or wait for a price drop like they do for blu-rays. The selling of cheap codes is no different than the selling of cheap blu-rays. I joined this forum because of the Movie and TV deals subforum to find cheap prices for blu-rays.

Subscription will continue to get the most revenue but it doesn't provide the new releases that people want to see right away. I think both digital and physical will continue to coexist along with subscription for a very long time.

I disagree. I don't think people will be paying full price in the main.

As for subscription, it will become the way to access all films Digital wise. Films are devalued now. Like I said, kids and teens are more interested in User generated content then they are films and tv. Film might not even last in its current form. Much safer to store those Blurays given that possibility.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

I would not stick to be solely dependent with Digital HD long term. People like myself would need to have options.

I am a recent watcher of Blu-rays in the past few weeks & I think the quality of it is just outstanding.

Digital HD could be extremely popular in the US.

When I try to use Digital HD in Ireland; I mostly discover the UV codes when I buy used Blu-rays. I have redeemed them myself numerous times when I login to Flixster Video. But I am surprised that I am able to do this so easily because I could have thought these codes were already used. I tried to get a UV code for Kick Ass 2 from Universal Ireland via an email before. Their reply was that they gave me the code & an Digital HD UV code for Oblivion as an extra Christmas gift. That was over a year ago.

This would also tell me that people in Ireland who discover UV codes in new or used Blu-rays would not have the expertise or have the ability to care about UV at all. These are who would only watch the disc once and then place it in their computer hard drive to rip it or to not watch it again because they resell the hard copy to a used video store.

Another over riding reason for low UV uptake in Ireland is that the standard of broadband availability is currently really poor. Most places still do not have a fibre connection as of yet as the rollout of it by their commercial companies is really slow & expensive. That means large rural parts of the country are left out of the lurch of getting high speeds broadband available to it's own inhabitants & businesses in towns & cities across the Republic of Ireland.

The popularity of Digital HD in any part of the world could be skewed to fit a individual own personal agenda. I would be very cautious about giving this form of media a thumbs up myself.

But even if fibre was everywhere, where would be the options for high quality playback on a tv or projector? Thete isn't one.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You want proof, think about 10 people that you know, and maybe at the most 3 will still consistently buy Disc Movies. People with kids should be excluded, because all they buy are Animated ones. Let's face it, Discs are on the way out Digital HD is here to stay and people want it now!

Every single person I know still goes with discs for the majority of movie and tv content that they actually want to purchase. They generally only use the internet to rent or pirate content they want to watch.

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You want proof, think about 10 people that you know, and maybe at the most 3 will still consistently buy Disc Movies. People with kids should be excluded, because all they buy are Animated ones. Let's face it, Discs are on the way out Digital HD is here to stay and people want it now!

In all honesty, most of the people I know just use a hacked Firestick. So, you can't even count them because they aren't buying anything.

Why exclude people with kids? By that logic, I would be excluded. Yes, I buy my fair share of kids movies, but those are a small percentage of my overall collection.

I'm not arguing that Digital HD isn't here to stay. I'm only saying that disc is nowhere near "on the way out".