Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by cheecheung

Have the Blu-rays for Solo A Stars Wars Story, Rise of Skywalker, The Last Jedi and Rogue One been remastered too? I know the first 3 have had 4K releases but I don’t know if the Blu-rays are the same. Thanks

I think they're the same masters, Solo is showing up with the new O-Ring over the old release in some places.

I can't quite remember, but I think The Last Jedi's 4K release drops Dolby Vision, but I might be misremembering that.

[BudBaxter]

Originally Posted by cheecheung

Have the Blu-rays for Solo A Stars Wars Story, Rise of Skywalker, The Last Jedi and Rogue One been remastered too? I know the first 3 have had 4K releases but I don’t know if the Blu-rays are the same. Thanks

The Last Jedi has added the isolated score option, but otherwise should be the same PQ & AQ-wise as the previous release.

The rest are identical to the previous releases AFAIK. Pity really, it'd be nice if someone could re-do Solo to make it less murky.

[chip75]

Star Wars: Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi UK Blu-ray 20th Century Fox (top) to Star Wars: Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi UK Blu-ray Lucasfilm Ltd. (bottom) comparisons

Note: There seems to be an issue with the bottom captures colour space, for some reason they're not coming out in 16-235, the blacks are raised. I redid the comparisons a second time and got the same results (both discs used the same settings with my PC). At the moment I'm inclined to believe its an issue my end. I'll take some captures with VirtualDub to make sure.

Update: Fixed. There was something wrong with my software player. I used VirtualDub for the third batch.

[Roonan]

Something went wrong with the bottom caps there.

[david_blu]

sorry Im going to continue being annoying but the Disney version looks the worst of the three colour wise. Let's take the brown pencil put an entire shade of brown over every frame.

I can only think this was all done, like I mentioned on SW to even the colour saturation or something.

Im having a hard time believing the original projected film looks so brownish, pick a colour in the rainbow but it has to be a shade of brown.

[Roonan]

It's not about evening the colour saturation. The films are not using the 2004 Lowry masters. It's a brand new scan of the 1997 version, remastered, with new color timing applied.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Roonan

It's not about evening the colour saturation. The films are not using the 2004 Lowry masters. It's a brand new scan of the 1997 version, remastered, with new color timing applied.

The Lowry results weren't great, they clipped and crushed as they went along. These really needed a rebuild, to get digitally re-composited, but I'm not sure how much is possible, neither Lucasfilm or Disney seem to want to spend time and money on these to that extent.

I haven't spent a great deal of time with these yet, but the main thing that I noticed is the filtering, it's not all the time, but it certainly stands out.

I haven't really got thoughts about the grading yet, the old ones were certainly pumped.

[Roonan]

I never had much of a problem with Lowry's 2004 masters other than they were showing their age and could always have been improved. And these 2012 masters are for the most part an improvement. It's definitely more muted though, and I can see why some people might find it jarring in direct comparisons.

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by chip75

The Lowry results weren't great, they clipped and crushed as they went along. These really needed a rebuild, to get digitally re-composited, but I'm not sure how much is possible, neither Lucasfilm or Disney seem to want to spend time and money on these to that extent.

I haven't spent a great deal of time with these yet, but the main thing that I noticed is the filtering, it's not all the time, but it certainly stands out.

I haven't really got thoughts about the grading yet, the old ones were certainly pumped.

There were some comparisons put together last year when they first appeared on Disney+ and several shots from each film have been re-composited.

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

There were some comparisons put together last year when they first appeared on Disney+ and several shots from each film have been re-composited.

All the 2004-2011 improvements and changes had to be recomposited. Although some of them weren't.

[Happenstance]

Zoom replacement of Rise of Skywalker just arrived and thankfully it is now the correct version!

[hoejunter]

Zoom haven’t bothered to reply to my email about replacements.

[jono3000]

Also got my replacement from Zoom with correct slipcover for Rise of Skywalker 4K

[hoejunter]

Okay now you guys are just being mean

[Happenstance]

They also sent me 50 spare slip covers as a gesture of good faith. I didn’t have anywhere to store them though so just burned them.

[hoejunter]

[Happenstance]

[alexgilbertnz]

Always so nice on BluRay!

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Roonan

All the 2004-2011 improvements and changes had to be recomposited. Although some of them weren't.

Interesting, which of those ones weren’t?

A lot of the original film elements were recomposited for this restoration, such as the starfields and some of the ships I believe. It wasn’t just a straight up scan of the ‘97 special edition with new grading, then adding all the newer DVD/Blu-ray changes to it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

Interesting, which of those ones weren’t?

A lot of the original film elements were recomposited for this restoration, such as the starfields and some of the ships I believe. It wasn’t just a straight up scan of the ‘97 special edition with new grading, then adding all the newer DVD/Blu-ray changes to it.

It's kinda like that though? They went back to the OG negative (inclusive of existing dupes, opticals and whatever alterations were cut in for the '97 SEs) for the main transfer and then retrofitted what they could from the 2004/2011 masters like the Jabba scene in Star Wars while recompositing lots of other stuff.

They even 'uncorrected' a few corrections that were present on the 2004/2011 editions, like the Y-Wing that disappears a few frames early when it flies through the bottom of frame during the Death Star assault in the first film - though I doubt that omission was in any way intentional, it prolly just got missed.

I'm disappointed that they didn't redo all the wipes digitally when they had the chance though. They were redone as opticals by Pacific title for the 1997 editions so while they don't lose as much quality as they would have otherwise done (being a 20 year old optical vs a 40 year old one) the problem is that the people doing the 4K transfers have hammered those shots with DNR. Not that the entire transfers aren't one big DNR adventure because they are, but they hit the opticals even harder and as SO many shots in Empire wipe from one to another then big chunks of the film are these horribly 'grain managed' opticals.