Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by veritas

I think this thought experiment would come out with:

3/10 people buying discs
5-8/10 people wont pay at all and will either not watch or free tv or libraries or piracy
8/10 people doing streaming or cable
1-2/10 people buying digital from amazon once in a great while (since that is partly where they stream).

I agree that a lot of people won't want to pay at all.

Talking to people outside this site. A lot of movies are a one time watch for people now. (As I have said before) There is a lot of content out there now. Younger people can spend hours just on Youtube watching free content. If they want to watch a movie or TV show, they just search online for it and watch it for free.

Older folks are streaming or renting stuff for free at the library; and maybe the occasional redbox rental.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dustin44

I agree that a lot of people won't want to pay at all.

Talking to people outside this site. A lot of movies are a one time watch for people now. (As I have said before) There is a lot of content out there now. Younger people can spend hours just on Youtube watching free content. If they want to watch a movie or TV show, they just search online for it and watch it for free.

Older folks are streaming or renting stuff for free at the library; and maybe the occasional redbox rental.

I don't know a single person who visits a library for content. Not a single one and I know a lot of people lol.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don't know a single person who visits a library for content. Not a single one and I know a lot of people lol.

I go to the library book sales as you can actually get some pretty crazy deals for blu rays. I don't buy the ones that are ex library discs as they are normally destroyed but at least in my town I can get lots of blu rays for 50 cents to a dollar. I also use the streaming resource my library offers that gives 16 audio books or movies to stream each month.

I mostly do go to the library once a month or so for books because I don't have room to store more books and I would hate paying retail for a book I wasn't going to be able to keep.

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just not seeing it. Netflix, yeah. Digital HD? It's a U.S.A thing. It's not even worth keeping the UV slip here. I just throw it in the bin.

Why do you spend so much time in the digital section? Just curious because you seem to hate everything digital and try to drive home your disc is better point. Not sure why because it's falling on def ears over here. We love digital here in this discussion forum and in the USA. Not trying to come down on you just curious. Also, I can get digital soooo much cheaper than a disc. I buy the codes off the good people here for next to nothing and the brand new phone app for scanning bar codes and getting 2 dollar conversions is the bomb!

I personally will never go back to plopping in a disc, even in my home theater I invested 8K in. I pop my vudu on the screen and bang....am done. Great picture and not to bad of sound at all out of my in ceiling 5.1 speaker system. The only discs I have are the ones that are not offered digitally yet, and honestly it would be more of an impulse buy because I don't even miss them. Also all that stuff about movies disappearing is a load of manure. Never had a single title out of my library of almost 700 films go missing.

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don't know a single person who visits a library for content. Not a single one and I know a lot of people lol.

Our library updated to a "redbox" like system a couple of years back. So you can just go online and put movies on hold and come and pick them up from the electronic box. So it's basically just like a redbox, but with free rentals. They have a large selection of DVD's and Blu-ray's too.

And my library is pretty good at getting new releases on release day. So if there is something I am interested in, I can check the library website on Tuesday morning and put what I want on hold. Then pick it up in the afternoon.

I think some of it depends on your library. Some library's have a large selection. Others have a very small DVD and blu-ray selection. Some may not even really have blu-ray's.

There are no video stores here anymore. So if you wanted to rent a physical disc your only options are the library or redbox now.

Originally Posted by SarahS

Why do you spend so much time in the digital section? Just curious because you seem to hate everything digital and try to drive home your disc is better point. Not sure why because it's falling on def ears over here. We love digital here in this discussion forum and in the USA.

I personally will never go back to plopping in a disc, even in my home theater I invested 8K in. I pop my vudu on the screen and bang....am done. Great picture and not to bad of sound at all. The only discs I have are the ones that are not offered digitally yet, and honestly it would be more of an impulse buy because I don't even miss them.

^I am curious to that as well.

I love my physical collection of discs I have. I am happy to have my favorite movies and movies I enjoy watching the most on physical disc.

And I am happy to have a bunch of other movies on Digital HD in my Vudu collection.

I don't see physical or digital discs going away anytime soon. And I sure hope neither go away.

(And you shouldn't just throw away your UV slips, Steeldeel. You might as well try to sell them in the Digital copies sell thread)

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by Dustin44

(And you shouldn't just throw away your UV slips, Steeldeel. You might as well try to sell them in the Digital copies sell thread)

He could make 30-35% of the cost back on his discs by selling those I bet!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You want proof, think about 10 people that you know, and maybe at the most 3 will still consistently buy Disc Movies. People with kids should be excluded, because all they buy are Animated ones. Let's face it, Discs are on the way out Digital HD is here to stay and people want it now!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why should we discount kids movies? The increase in Digital sales in Q1 was brought about by mainly kids films. Someone provided the link and it was there in black and white. You are making the rules up as you go along. by your rules, we need to discount those figures now then because they are just kids movies?

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Every single person I know still goes with discs for the majority of movie and tv content that they actually want to purchase. They generally only use the internet to rent or pirate content they want to watch.

I guess that's why The Studios make so many Animated Movies, they sell. The Key Word is Purchase, but how often do these people want to Purchase, probably seldom. Most people are looking for the best price, and like someone said they watch the Movies once so most Rent. When I was buying Discs my friends and family would borrow them. Now they are all using Streaming Providers. It's just a matter of time now, Discs will fade away.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I guess that's why The Studios make so many Animated Movies, they sell. The Key Word is Purchase, but how often do these people want to Purchase, probably seldom. Most people are looking for the best price, and like someone said they watch the Movies once so most Rent. When I was buying Discs my friends and family would borrow them. Now they are all using Streaming Providers. It's just a matter of time now, Discs will fade away.

Whether they do or don't, in all honesty, I don't really care. I've already built my collection, I'm at the point where I'm almost done, except for new releases that hit the home market for the first time after leaving the cinemas. It's unlikely that popular new release movies will stop being released on physical media for many years to come, such as Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2. For modern day stuff, I don't really stray far from these type of movies. I don't watch a lot of newly made obscure content. The amount of catalogue titles released on physical media may reduce, but this isn't a massive concern to me, because almost every catalogue title I want is already on Blu-ray and I own them. There is not many left that I'm waiting for.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I guess that's why The Studios make so many Animated Movies, they sell. The Key Word is Purchase, but how often do these people want to Purchase, probably seldom. Most people are looking for the best price, and like someone said they watch the Movies once so most Rent. When I was buying Discs my friends and family would borrow them. Now they are all using Streaming Providers. It's just a matter of time now, Discs will fade away.

Family's probably buy movies more often then any other demographic except eccentric collector. They want to show their kids their favorite movies at the right ages, the kids enjoy watching movies repeatedly, the used market has more buyers then sellers since kid treat their stuff like crap and parents have nostalgia for the films also (so your buying from somebody else but still benefiting). Most family probably end up buying like 3 copies of their kids favorite movie because the kid destroyed the first 2.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

He could make 30-35% of the cost back on his discs by selling those I bet!

I honestly don't care. That's the truth, not being flippant.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Why do you spend so much time in the digital section? Just curious because you seem to hate everything digital and try to drive home your disc is better point. Not sure why because it's falling on def ears over here. We love digital here in this discussion forum and in the USA. Not trying to come down on you just curious. Also, I can get digital soooo much cheaper than a disc. I buy the codes off the good people here for next to nothing and the brand new phone app for scanning bar codes and getting 2 dollar conversions is the bomb!

I personally will never go back to plopping in a disc, even in my home theater I invested 8K in. I pop my vudu on the screen and bang....am done. Great picture and not to bad of sound at all out of my in ceiling 5.1 speaker system. The only discs I have are the ones that are not offered digitally yet, and honestly it would be more of an impulse buy because I don't even miss them. Also all that stuff about movies disappearing is a load of manure. Never had a single title out of my library of almost 700 films go missing.

You are under selling your set up by using Digital. That is just bizarre to me.

As for cheaper, yeah that's what I hear all the time. People don't value their films anymore. I buy a lot of stuff from Arrow, Criterion, Artificial Eye, Camera Obscura, Severin etc.. some great stuff and even very obscure titles. Some of them have had a lot of work put into them. Restorations, fantastic extras etc.. worth every penny to me, not just some quick fix crap on a server or streaming service.

Finally, picture and sound are both inferior to a Bluray. That's just a fact, doesn't matter if you are hard wired (hi alchav! ) or not.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I guess that's why The Studios make so many Animated Movies, they sell. The Key Word is Purchase, but how often do these people want to Purchase, probably seldom. Most people are looking for the best price, and like someone said they watch the Movies once so most Rent. When I was buying Discs my friends and family would borrow them. Now they are all using Streaming Providers. It's just a matter of time now, Discs will fade away.

Subscription Streaming is the future along with discs for the hardcore. Digital HD will be the MP3 download of its time. Great for a short period of time but hardly in use anymore. It will all go to subscription, Digital wise. Complete with forced ads unless you pay up more.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Why do you spend so much time in the digital section? Just curious because you seem to hate everything digital and try to drive home your disc is better point. Not sure why because it's falling on def ears over here. We love digital here in this discussion forum and in the USA. Not trying to come down on you just curious. Also, I can get digital soooo much cheaper than a disc. I buy the codes off the good people here for next to nothing and the brand new phone app for scanning bar codes and getting 2 dollar conversions is the bomb!

I personally will never go back to plopping in a disc, even in my home theater I invested 8K in. I pop my vudu on the screen and bang....am done. Great picture and not to bad of sound at all out of my in ceiling 5.1 speaker system. The only discs I have are the ones that are not offered digitally yet, and honestly it would be more of an impulse buy because I don't even miss them. Also all that stuff about movies disappearing is a load of manure. Never had a single title out of my library of almost 700 films go missing.

Quite frankly, the amount of time I spend in any thread is none of your concern. You don't have to visit.

[DamageINC]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don't know a single person who visits a library for content. Not a single one and I know a lot of people lol.

My Mom uses the Library for DVD's all the time.

I also hit up the friends of the Library sales, although they only carry DVD. I mainly go for CDs and books.

Originally Posted by SarahS

Why do you spend so much time in the digital section? Just curious because you seem to hate everything digital and try to drive home your disc is better point. Not sure why because it's falling on def ears over here. We love digital here in this discussion forum and in the USA. Not trying to come down on you just curious. Also, I can get digital soooo much cheaper than a disc. I buy the codes off the good people here for next to nothing and the brand new phone app for scanning bar codes and getting 2 dollar conversions is the bomb!

I personally will never go back to plopping in a disc, even in my home theater I invested 8K in. I pop my vudu on the screen and bang....am done. Great picture and not to bad of sound at all out of my in ceiling 5.1 speaker system. The only discs I have are the ones that are not offered digitally yet, and honestly it would be more of an impulse buy because I don't even miss them. Also all that stuff about movies disappearing is a load of manure. Never had a single title out of my library of almost 700 films go missing.

So you paid 8k to get "not too bad of sound?" Why pay 8 grand for a system if you aren't going to utilize it to its fullest extent? Regardless of what one likes, BD quality is simply better. I'm more than happy to take the time to pop a disc in in order to get the most out of a system i paid for to , well, give me the best quality. Otherwise, what's the point? You buy a Ferrari to drive on side streets at 35 mph?

As to titles disappearing, isn't there an entire thread on here about people having movies go missing? Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't occur (or won't in the future)

I've purchased 85% of my stuff used on Ebay or on here. The cost is still a few bux more than digital, but the quality upgrade and actually owning something are well worth the extra few bucks to me. I still buy a cheap code here and there for dialogue based movies, but buying second hand on sites like this is the only way that's viable.

[bubba111]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don't know a single person who visits a library for content. Not a single one and I know a lot of people lol.

Well if you know a lot of people lol ... Posts like this are what gives this thread its entertainment / rolleyes value.

I am sure it's not this way everywhere in the US, but places I have lived (East and West coasts), libraries are vibrant places for people of all ages. In Silicon Valley, libraries a literally packed every day and night of the week. I use them extensively for the great book rentals on the Kindle. There are large movie / TV sections that also get significant use.

In fact, I recently donated more than 250 Blu-ray discs to the libraries and will be donating more, as I have already seen many of them in circulation and put to good use. At least someone is watching my movies now lol.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Why do you spend so much time in the digital section? Just curious because you seem to hate everything digital and try to drive home your disc is better point. Not sure why because it's falling on def ears over here. We love digital here in this discussion forum and in the USA. Not trying to come down on you just curious. Also, I can get digital soooo much cheaper than a disc. I buy the codes off the good people here for next to nothing and the brand new phone app for scanning bar codes and getting 2 dollar conversions is the bomb!

I personally will never go back to plopping in a disc, even in my home theater I invested 8K in. I pop my vudu on the screen and bang....am done. Great picture and not to bad of sound at all out of my in ceiling 5.1 speaker system. The only discs I have are the ones that are not offered digitally yet, and honestly it would be more of an impulse buy because I don't even miss them. Also all that stuff about movies disappearing is a load of manure. Never had a single title out of my library of almost 700 films go missing.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are under selling your set up by using Digital. That is just bizarre to me.

As for cheaper, yeah that's what I hear all the time. People don't value their films anymore. I buy a lot of stuff from Arrow, Criterion, Artificial Eye, Camera Obscura, Severin etc.. some great stuff and even very obscure titles. Some of them have had a lot of work put into them. Restorations, fantastic extras etc.. worth every penny to me, not just some quick fix crap on a server or streaming service.

Finally, picture and sound are both inferior to a Bluray. That's just a fact, doesn't matter if you are hard wired (hi alchav! ) or not.

Here you go again putting down Digital HD, when you don't even get Vudu and some of the better Streaming Providers. Like I said, if you are setup properly you can get HDR and ATMOS the best Sound around. SarahS is setup with some high end equipment, so I'm sure she beats Blu-ray easy. Steedeel you are behind the times, Streaming Digital HD will leave you in The Dust! As for him spending time here, he likes all the Action!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Here you go again putting down Digital HD, when you don't even get Vudu and some of the better Streaming Providers. Like I said, if you are setup properly you can get HDR and ATMOS the best Sound around. SarahS is setup with some high end equipment, so I'm sure she beats Blu-ray easy. Steedeel you are behind the times, Streaming Digital HD will leave you in The Dust! As for him spending time here, he likes all the Action!

I watch the best possible, I don't care about drinking the Kool aid. I have access to Amazons 4K, as well as Netflix. Netflix is a top service, no denying that. What they squeeze from such low bit rates is remarkable. If I want the best though, and more often then not, I do, it's Bluray all the way.

For rentals of films I have no intention of buying, ITunes is fine. I can't be doing with quality drops or even the risk of a quality drop. If I wanted that, I would watch movies on YouTube.

By the way, you think that persons set up beats Bluray? You make some bold claims Alchav. Also, false ones.

[bandit29]

Movies are following the path of music. The masses are embracing streaming or digital downloads. The collectors and hardcore fans still want a physical copy.

I use VUDU but the suggestion that Digital HD is the MP3 of its time is a valid point. Subscription based services will probably take over completely. Just like music.

I haven't bought an MP3 in years since streaming has taken over. But I also buy CDs and vinyl still for the bands I really love. My movie buying is similar.

The way retailers (in the US anyway) display Blu-ray discs is done so poorly now. Mixed in with DVDs or thrown in a big bargain bin barrel. 4K discs are somewhat organized but retailers are more interested in selling devices that can stream 4K.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bandit29

Movies are following the path of music. The masses are embracing streaming or digital downloads. The collectors and hardcore fans still want a physical copy.

I use VUDU but the suggestion that Digital HD is the MP3 of its time is a valid point. Subscription based services will probably take over completely. Just like music.

I haven't bought an MP3 in years since streaming has taken over. But I also buy CDs and vinyl still for the bands I really love. My movie buying is similar.

The way retailers (in the US anyway) display Blu-ray discs is done so poorly now. Mixed in with DVDs or thrown in a big bargain bin barrel. 4K discs are somewhat organized but retailers are more interested in selling devices that can stream 4K.

Retailers have been hammered by the likes of Amazon. I can't remember the last time I bought from a store. With one day shipping, it's a no brainer.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Here you go again putting down Digital HD, when you don't even get Vudu and some of the better Streaming Providers. Like I said, if you are setup properly you can get HDR and ATMOS the best Sound around. SarahS is setup with some high end equipment, so I'm sure she beats Blu-ray easy. Steedeel you are behind the times, Streaming Digital HD will leave you in The Dust! As for him spending time here, he likes all the Action!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I watch the best possible, I don't care about drinking the Kool aid. I have access to Amazons 4K, as well as Netflix. Netflix is a top service, no denying that. What they squeeze from such low bit rates is remarkable. If I want the best though, and more often then not, I do, it's Bluray all the way.

For rentals of films I have no intention of buying, ITunes is fine. I can't be doing with quality drops or even the risk of a quality drop. If I wanted that, I would watch movies on YouTube.

By the way, you think that persons set up beats Bluray? You make some bold claims Alchav. Also, false ones.

I haven't invested 8K, and with my setup I can beat Blu-ray easy too. Digital HD has left you guys way behind. That tiring excuse of Digital not being as good as Disc is Old. I told you guys, Technology waits for no one and your Buggies are left in The Dust!