Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[DamageINC]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Like I said, if you are setup properly you can get HDR and ATMOS the best Sound around. SarahS is setup with some high end equipment, so I'm sure she beats Blu-ray easy.

This is absurd. BD quality is better, period. High end equipment isn't going to change the inherent quality of digital. If you put a BD with an HD MA track on that same high end stuff (or any setup) it would beat digital because the inherent quality is simply better. It just is.

I can go out and buy a $10,000 setup for my guitar but it isn't going to make me sound like James Hetfield. On the other hand, Het. could jam through my meager little setup and sound just like himself.

I get you're a cheerleader for all things digital, but your arguments lose all credibility when you exaggerate to the point of falsehoods. A properly done BD is better in quality. No debate about it. I also wonder why you seem so keen in seeing discs die out? That isn't good for ANYONE. Rapidly advancing technology isn't always a good thing.

It isn't an "excuse" it's reality. I use and enjoy both mediums and what they each have to offer, but you have to be honest in your arguments.

No need to reply. You say the same thing over and over.

[bandit29]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Retailers have been hammered by the likes of Amazon. I can't remember the last time I bought from a store. With one day shipping, it's a no brainer.

Yeah. I've been a prime member for over 10 years. Now Amazon delivers on release day. Only time I buy at a store is for an exclusive. The Rogue One steelbook for example.

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are under selling your set up by using Digital. That is just bizarre to me.

As for cheaper, yeah that's what I hear all the time. People don't value their films anymore. I buy a lot of stuff from Arrow, Criterion, Artificial Eye, Camera Obscura, Severin etc.. some great stuff and even very obscure titles. Some of them have had a lot of work put into them. Restorations, fantastic extras etc.. worth every penny to me, not just some quick fix crap on a server or streaming service.

Finally, picture and sound are both inferior to a Bluray. That's just a fact, doesn't matter if you are hard wired (hi alchav! ) or not.

Dude....I had almost 3000 BD's please don't lecture me on quality because you are way off base. Also mp3's are more in use than anything else. Although I use personally use flac for my music files.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Like I said, if you are setup properly you can get HDR and ATMOS the best Sound around. SarahS is setup with some high end equipment, so I'm sure she beats Blu-ray easy.

Originally Posted by DamageINC

This is absurd. BD quality is better, period. High end equipment isn't going to change the inherent quality of digital. If you put a BD with an HD MA track on that same high end stuff (or any setup) it would beat digital because the inherent quality is simply better. It just is.

I can go out and buy a $10,000 setup for my guitar but it isn't going to make me sound like James Hetfield. On the other hand, Het. could jam through my meager little setup and sound just like himself.

I get you're a cheerleader for all things digital, but your arguments lose all credibility when you exaggerate to the point of falsehoods. A properly done BD is better in quality. No debate about it. I also wonder why you seem so keen in seeing discs die out? That isn't good for ANYONE. Rapidly advancing technology isn't always a good thing.

It isn't an "excuse" it's reality. I use and enjoy both mediums and what they each have to offer, but you have to be honest in your arguments.

No need to reply. You say the same thing over and over.

You do know we are into UHD Streaming with HDR and ATMOS, and that is way better than Blu-ray equipment or no equipment. You guys are in Denial, Digital HD has caught up and passed Disc standing still. I'm sure Disc will be around for the Collectors and people that can't get High Bandwidth Internet. As for Disc dying out it's just a fact, I'm not keen on it.....It's just happening. Now before you guys do anymore claims, you have to upgrade your equipment and setup. We have, now the ball is in your park!

[DamageINC]

"Now before you guys do anymore claims"

I love the irony of this statement.

Debating with you is pointless.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You do know we are into UHD Streaming with HDR and ATMOS, and that is way better than Blu-ray equipment or no equipment. You guys are in Denial, Digital HD has caught up and passed Disc standing still. I'm sure Disc will be around for the Collectors and people that can't get High Bandwidth Internet. As for Disc dying out it's just a fact, I'm not keen on it.....It's just happening. Now before you guys do anymore claims, you have to upgrade your equipment and setup. We have, now the ball is in your park!

Originally Posted by DamageINC

"Now before you guys do anymore claims"

I love the irony of this statement.

Debating with you is pointless.

The only reason I said this, is because last year I was dragged through the mud for having an Old 1080i Mitsubishi HDTV. Now I have a Sony UHD TV, and my Posts should have some credibility. Comparing Blu-ray to UHD Streaming is no contest. PQ and Audio are all about BitRate, and now with UHD the BitRate and Codec has surpassed Blu-ray. So this Old Excuse of poor Digital HD Quality is Mute!

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The only reason I said this, is because last year I was dragged through the mud for having an Old 1080i Mitsubishi HDTV. Now I have a Sony UHD TV, and my Posts should have some credibility. Comparing Blu-ray to UHD Streaming is no contest. PQ and Audio are all about BitRate, and now with UHD the BitRate and Codec has surpassed Blu-ray. So this Old Excuse of poor Digital HD Quality is Mute!

You kind of deserved some of the backlash you received for your claims that VUDU was better than Blu-ray when your TV wasn't even 1080p. Now that you have a UHD TV, you're watching VUDU in UHD. Cool. You could be watching UHD Blu-rays, and you'd be getting even better quality, but it's cool. Digital is convenient and you're happy with the quality. That's great. I'm happy with it too. I don't go around telling Blu-ray collectors that they're living in the past and their favorite format is inferior.

I prefer digital, just like you. I just don't know why you feel compelled to claim that digital is better than Blu-ray. Blu-ray still delivers the best quality. If you're comparing UHD streaming to 1080p Blu-rays, you're comparing two different things. UHD streaming may be higher resolution than 1080p Blu-ray, but it's not going to be better than 2160p Blu-ray. Unless you're talking about Dolby Vision vs HDR. That's a whole other thing.

I agree that calling digital poor quality isn't true. Maybe anything less than Blu-ray quality is poor quality to some people. I don't know. People are funny that way. Also, as you've said many times, your internet quality matters. If it struggles to maintain a solid speed, it'll look rather mediocre, or even subpar. So good internet is important for streaming. Not everyone has that, so they instantly write off digital. To them, it basically doesn't exist. To us, it's an awesome development for viewing movies and TV. I can't imagine not having it. It gives me access to so many things.

My point here is that we shouldn't bad mouth Blu-ray, and others shouldn't bad mouth our beloved digital. We have our preferences. There is no clear victor. We're at a stalemate, and there's nothing wrong with that IMO. Of course, nobody here seems to agree with my logic, but that's life.

[PCFan]

Is a low latency internet connection important for HDX streaming even if you have a high speed internet connection? In Vudu, sometimes when I start a movie it will only show 1 bar for HDX and stay that way until I restart the stream and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with my internet connection's latency and not the speed as I'm on a 45 Mbps connection which is way more than enough bandwidth for HDX streaming? Also sometimes it takes Vudu about 4 seconds to get all 4 HDX bars to show up on my internet connection and I'm wondering if this is a latency issue. Also when I run Speedtest, the speed of my internet builds up slowly like a hill for the first 5 seconds and then levels off at it's top speed. Shouldn't a good internet connection start at top speed as soon as the test is run, resulting in no upward slope in the beginning of the test? Can the upward slope in the beginning of Speedtest be what I'm seeing when Vudu sometimes only shows 1 HDX bar when starting a movie? The ping of my internet connection is 21-22 ms according to Speedtest.

[DamageINC]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

Of course, nobody here seems to agree with my logic, but that's life.

I agree with it 100% and thought it was one the best posts that i've read in this thread.

I prefer physical, but i consume plenty of digital as well. Each have their pros and cons and what's truly 'better' overall comes down to what works best for each individual.

It just irritates me when people can't be honest in their arguments. Trying to argue that BD quality is inferior is just asinine.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

Of course, nobody here seems to agree with my logic, but that's life.

Originally Posted by DamageINC

I agree with it 100% and thought it was one the best posts that i've read in this thread.

I prefer physical, but i consume plenty of digital as well. Each have their pros and cons and what's truly 'better' overall comes down to what works best for each individual.

It just irritates me when people can't be honest in their arguments. Trying to argue that BD quality is inferior is just asinine.

Master is correct, we shouldn't put each others Format down. It also rubs me wrong when people put Digital HD down. I have always said, it's all Digital now, so neither Format should be inferior especially now that the BitRates have been raised.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The only reason I said this, is because last year I was dragged through the mud for having an Old 1080i Mitsubishi HDTV. Now I have a Sony UHD TV, and my Posts should have some credibility. Comparing Blu-ray to UHD Streaming is no contest. PQ and Audio are all about BitRate, and now with UHD the BitRate and Codec has surpassed Blu-ray. So this Old Excuse of poor Digital HD Quality is Mute!

A/V is certainly not all about bit rate. It's about how certain scenes are handled and how well the encode deals with fog, rain, smoke, explosions, camera pans etc.. these things can drag a Digital film down, where as with Bluray you are normally getting a solid high bit-rate to maintain quality. There are loads of variables that would put my enjoyment at risk with Digital, not so with Bluray and 4K Bluray. The truth is, Bluray is still far more robust even when you put it against UHD. If you want to make a fair comparison though, you do realise UHD is just an extension of the Bluray format right? Try comparing to that. Oh, and we have the new codec available to us disc lovers also.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Master is correct, we shouldn't put each others Format down. It also rubs me wrong when people put Digital HD down. I have always said, it's all Digital now, so neither Format should be inferior especially now that the BitRates have been raised.

If it rubs you up the wrong way, stop adding disc is dead to every other post?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Dude....I had almost 3000 BD's please don't lecture me on quality because you are way off base. Also mp3's are more in use than anything else. Although I use personally use flac for my music files.

It's the old convenience card isn't it. I always thought that was a card for the masses, not us film lovers/collectors.

MP3 downloads? Nah, it's mostly streaming. Now. I see the film industry shifting to a similar model with a premium price tag for higher quality picture and sound. You want the ads removed? Sure, no problem, that's another £4.99 a month.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I haven't invested 8K, and with my setup I can beat Blu-ray easy too. Digital HD has left you guys way behind. That tiring excuse of Digital not being as good as Disc is Old. I told you guys, Technology waits for no one and your Buggies are left in The Dust!

Only in your head.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Dude....I had almost 3000 BD's please don't lecture me on quality because you are way off base. Also mp3's are more in use than anything else. Although I use personally use flac for my music files.

AAC is used way more than MP3 these days. It's a dying format.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Comparing Blu-ray to UHD Streaming is no contest.

Your statement is true, but it means nothing. Why are you always comparing UHD streaming to Blu-ray and NOT 4K Blu-ray? Your comparison is the same as saying MP3's sound better than cassette tapes.

Edit: I just noticed that master gandhi covered this.

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Your statement is true, but it means nothing. Why are you always comparing UHD streaming to Blu-ray and NOT 4K Blu-ray? Your comparison is the same as saying MP3's sound better than cassette tapes.

Edit: I just noticed that master gandhi covered this.

And just how many 4k Blu Rays are out there?

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by SarahS

And just how many 4k Blu Rays are out there?

I don't know. Do you? It's new. How many Digital releases were there in 2007? Or you could say more than UHD titles?

Amazon has 458 4K titles listed for sale.

Every major release except Disney comes in 4K now and classics are getting added everyday.

Here ya go: https://www.blu-ray.com/4k/

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by whipnet

I don't know. Do you? It's new. How many Digital releases were there in 2007? Or you could say more than UHD titles?

Amazon has 458 4K titles listed for sale.

Every major release except Disney comes in 4K now and classics are getting added everyday.

Here ya go: https://www.blu-ray.com/4k/

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It's coming along nicely. Early sales are better than Blurays at the same point in its lifecycle. Both formats are in my future plans and will stay that way. Ready to make my move early next year just waiting for standards to settle down.

[master gandhi]

I'm definitely getting Logan on 4K BD, and I hope Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is Disney/Marvel's first 4K release. I won't get everything in 4K. Heck, not everything will get a 4K release. For some movies, 1080p will be the best we get on home video. Not that there's anything wrong with that. 1080p still looks great.