Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I know that's what I say, but to really enjoy Disc you need a High End System. Those guys can afford more than a Dollar. IMO Streaming is Fantastic, with my Setup I can watch just about anything and the Quality is Marvelous!

You don't need a "high end system" to "really" enjoy discs. You just need good taste.

On my modest set-up I can watch all that you can and so very much more. You're the one who is arbitrarily limiting your selection.

It is amusing that your comment implies that streaming is such poor quality that not even a high end system can help it. Don't waste your money on good gear just to feed it junk food, eh? Maybe you have a valid point after all.

[unberechenbar]

I recently hit 300 discs in my collection. I only started collecting in 2021 and never expected my collection to grow so quickly. It actually took me longer to get to 100 discs than it did to get from 200 to 300. With all the talk of physical media dying, I'm just glad that stuff that interests me is still being released and hope to support it for many years to come. I'm going to Taiwan next week where I plan to get around a dozen releases with exclusive slipcovers.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by russweiss1

It would be nice to get alternate cuts released here but your opinion is in the minority about the OG being superior. Also you mention the new movies are trash when it's extremely unlikely you've even seen Dune: Part 2.

It’s unlikely he has seen the first, never mind the unreleased sequel!

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I recently hit 300 discs in my collection. I only started collecting in 2021 and never expected my collection to grow so quickly. It actually took me longer to get to 100 discs than it did to get from 200 to 300. With all the talk of physical media dying, I'm just glad that stuff that interests me is still being released and hope to support it for many years to come. I'm going to Taiwan next week where I plan to get around a dozen releases with exclusive slipcovers.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I know that's what I say, but to really enjoy Disc you need a High End System. Those guys can afford more than a Dollar. IMO Streaming is Fantastic, with my Setup I can watch just about anything and the Quality is Marvelous!

anyone can watch anything on any set-up, there are low quality content on Physical (VHS,Beta,LD,DVD....) and low quality on streaming (more compressed SD.....)

the difference is that (unless we are talking 4k Kaleidescape) "digital" won't be anywhere near UHD BD. So someone that cares about presentation )on any system) will pick the best source and someone that does not care about quality can watch any of them and consider them similar even though they are not.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I recently hit 300 discs in my collection. I only started collecting in 2021 and never expected my collection to grow so quickly. It actually took me longer to get to 100 discs than it did to get from 200 to 300.

yeah it is a dangerous hobby. you startt by buying occasionaly and relying on rental but as the collection grows you realize that you don't need to rely on rental and the collection grows faster.

With all the talk of physical media dying, I'm just glad that stuff that interests me is still being released and hope to support it for many years to come. I'm going to Taiwan next week where I plan to get around a dozen releases with exclusive slipcovers.

when UHD BD came out I did not expect so much support. I thought maybe at best we would get new with a few from time to time over priced catalogue title.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

Why can't we get those cuts in HD over here? The OG Dune is superior to the trash new movies!

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

The gray visuals and cheap stilsuits disinterested me immediately from the first one.

I'm not generally a fan of Lynch and thus have not actually seen the original. I will eventually rectify this but only after seeing Vilneuve's second installment as I don't want the story spoiled for me.

At any rate, I can't speak to anyone's preference for either director's vision... but I'm reasonably sure that your characterization of the movie's colour pallette boils down to your display.

IMHO opinion the first disc's transfer is absolutely reference quality on delivering the true promise of what HDR/DV is supposed to be about. On a lesser display, the movie will look grey, dull and exhibit crushed blacks.

While my setup is not bleeding edge, with tone mapping done externally, the depth of colour gradations and shadow detail on this title are absolutely face melting.... and don't get me started on the ATMOS sound...

I recently upgraded to 6 overhead channels..I just talked myself into the next title I have to revisit ...LOL..

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I recently upgraded to 6 overhead channels..I just talked myself into the next title I have to revisit ...LOL..

Now that I improved my ATMOS setup with more speakers and better placement, I feel like I'm seeing/hearing things for the first time.

It's not have I seen that but have I heard that.

[Warm Gun]

Have a humble 5.1.2 system. I was hesitant about upgrading from a 7.2 amp to a 7.2 amp, but remembered that like 5 percent of the content I consume is in Atmos or DTS:X. Older movies, I will almost always pick the legacy audio tracks.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Now that I improved my ATMOS setup with more speakers and better placement, I feel like I'm seeing/hearing things for the first time.

It's not have I seen that but have I heard that.

IMHO most people should skip ATMOS as it will actually make your experience worse the more you deviate from DOLBY's prescribed speaker placement guidelines.
At the very minimum, it is crucial that your bed layer speakers, whether 5,7 or 9 channels have their tweeters at the same height - right around ear level. Going A/T meant that i could even get my center channel aligned as well.

Too many people try to simply add height channels to an existing system where they had elevated surround channels. No amount of room correction software will allow such a setup to achieve the 3D bubble of sound that you will forever chase once you hear it for the first time. Object based sound is not about gimmicky sound effects coming from above you. It is about placing sounds within your room where you don't even have speakers.

I also belive firmly in having identical tweeters for all channels in order to have seamless panning. Ideally that would mean 13 identical speakers which was not possible in my case. Thankfully my Paradigm monitors do all have the same tweeters.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I'm not generally a fan of Lynch and thus have not actually seen the original. I will eventually rectify this but only after seeing Vilneuve's second installment as I don't want the story spoiled for me.

At any rate, I can't speak to anyone's preference for either director's vision... but I'm reasonably sure that your characterization of the movie's colour pallette boils down to your display.

My thoughts on the movie come from the trailers and pre-release photos.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I'm not generally a fan of Lynch and thus have not actually seen the original. I will eventually rectify this but only after seeing Vilneuve's second installment as I don't want the story spoiled for me.

At any rate, I can't speak to anyone's preference for either director's vision... but I'm reasonably sure that your characterization of the movie's colour pallette boils down to your display.

IMHO opinion the first disc's transfer is absolutely reference quality on delivering the true promise of what HDR/DV is supposed to be about. On a lesser display, the movie will look grey, dull and exhibit crushed blacks.

While my setup is not bleeding edge, with tone mapping done externally, the depth of colour gradations and shadow detail on this title are absolutely face melting.... and don't get me started on the ATMOS sound...

I recently upgraded to 6 overhead channels..I just talked myself into the next title I have to revisit ...LOL..

Not a fan of Lynch? GET OUT!

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

My thoughts on the movie come from the trailers and pre-release photos.

Wait... I'm old and sometimes the humour of the young'ens on these threads goes over my head.. Are you making a joke here?

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not a fan of Lynch? GET OUT!

Yeah... I know that he's highly regarded and I marginally like Mullholland Drive and The Elephant Man... but Eraserhead was enough to make me realize that I'm just not a fan.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Yeah... I know that he's highly regarded and I marginally like Mullholland Drive and The Elephant Man... but Eraserhead was enough to make me realize that I'm just not a fan.

You are killing me.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

anyone can watch anything on any set-up, there are low quality content on Physical (VHS,Beta,LD,DVD....) and low quality on streaming (more compressed SD.....)

the difference is that (unless we are talking 4k Kaleidescape) "digital" won't be anywhere near UHD BD. So someone that cares about presentation )on any system) will pick the best source and someone that does not care about quality can watch any of them and consider them similar even though they are not.

That's why I say it's all Subjective, everyone has to decide for themselves what they want. IMO Streaming has gotten so good that the Quality is right up there with Disc. I tell people they have to decide for themselves Streaming or Disc, how does it look them. It's like chasing that Brass Ring, if you have never watched that High End System what are you really missing if anything!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

That's why I say it's all Subjective, everyone has to decide for themselves what they want. IMO Streaming has gotten so good that the Quality is right up there with Disc. I tell people they have to decide for themselves Streaming or Disc, how does it look them. It's like chasing that Brass Ring, if you have never watched that High End System what are you really missing if anything!

You are no judge of quality, period.

You have said on more than one occasion that you can not even tell the difference between 4K HDR streams and high definition streams. I can quote you yet again if it is really necessary.

You also do not own a 4K disc player nor do you own any 4K discs, so you are in no position to say that streaming quality "is right up there with disc." It's a comparison that you can not even make and there is no reason for you to try when 4K streaming and HD streaming look the same to you. You remind me of this quote: "A nod is as good as a wink...to a blind horse."

You certainly can not judge audio as you rely entirely upon either TV speakers when watching with others or using wireless headphones when watching solo. There's also something inherently funny about you using anything wireless as much as you insist upon everything else being hard wired.

You do not need a high end system to appreciate the differences between streaming and physical media, either. The quality of the source material is obviously important on any level of A/V system used. Most of us want to get the best results possible from the gear that we have and that starts with using the best quality source; "junk in" pretty much results in "junk out" on any A/V system.

As for the last sentence in your comment that is just another way of saying that ignorance is bliss. I much prefer the happiness that comes from knowledge being power.

[PenguinInfinity]

As the old saying goes: Streaming is as good as 4K Blu-ray... to a blind horse.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

That's why I say it's all Subjective, everyone has to decide for themselves what they want. IMO Streaming has gotten so good that the Quality is right up there with Disc. I tell people they have to decide for themselves Streaming or Disc, how does it look them. It's like chasing that Brass Ring, if you have never watched that High End System what are you really missing if anything!

4K streaming will be a luxury reserved for top tier pricing in the future. 720p and full HD will be the norm. Data centres are under pressure to lower their emissions and 4K quality will be one of the casualties, like I say, reserved for those that can pay a premium.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

4K streaming will be a luxury reserved for top tier pricing in the future.

Ad free streaming will be the most expensive thing and there will be additional charge for anything new. Streaming will cost more than disc without providing the quality, reliability or ownership.