Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bubba111]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

... this very pointless debate ...

The doomsday and extreme positions aside, I think the above shows that the sky isn't falling and that multiple options will remain for movie lovers everywhere (ignoring the laughable "I'm a real movie fan and you are not" attitudes).

[randian]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Remove what UV from DMA? What UV movies are DMA?

To be more exact, I meant "remove Vudu from DMA".

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by randian

To be more exact, I meant "remove Vudu from DMA".

For me, that would mean I would lose 30 of my 900 something I have on VUDU. Not going to sweat that one much.

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[jcflman]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Guys, I really do need to leave this thread now, it's not good for my soul.

You have 1,001 posts in this thread already, I highly doubt you'll stop now.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It has to do with people in General, most just want to watch a Movie in their own comfort. Talking about Film, Cannes Film Festival had Netflix there and they Shunned them. Saying that Streaming wasn't really quality Film. So this feeling goes across a lot of Film Critics. To me it sounds a bit Snobbish, and Streaming has to come into it's own. Like I have been saying, it's all Digital now, and we just all have to get along!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Film is a art form, it should be respected as such.

Guys, I really do need to leave this thread now, it's not good for my soul.

Originally Posted by jcflman

You have 1,001 posts in this thread already, I highly doubt you'll stop now.

Yea, Steedeel is one of the few Die Hard Disc Lovers, he'll be back for sure. We haven't heard from Penguin for a while, and the OP just gave up on this Tread. I think the Disc people put their Format on the same Level as Film, but it's all Digital now and if you have watched UHD Streaming with a good setup. You will realize that this Platform will be as good as any Disc. The Studios really don't care what you buy as long as you buy their Movies.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Zu Nim

A little graphic update on physical vs. digital through the end of 2016. Trends remained the same through 2017 so far, except digital sales are up 13%. My charts are based on DEG's data. Feel free to make your own predictions for 2017 and 2018.

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The main thing your leaving out I suppose is cable and its cord cutter problem which seems to be accelerating given that about 50% of all cord cutters cut in the last 2 years. It would seem the the .5% loss in revenue over the next 10 years is now closer to 2% per year for cable services.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/C...-Record-139501

http://www.telecompetitor.com/tdg-58...ast-two-years/

It just kind of annoys me to include netflix and other stream services to boost digitals performance while leaving cable out of the equation when cables where most of the money appears to be siphoned from.

[whipnet]

How do they count for digital copies from Blu-ray's which a lot of mine are. I buy BR first.

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[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by whipnet

How do they count for digital copies from Blu-ray's which a lot of mine are. I buy BR first.

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They don't count those because you purchased the Blu-ray. The digital copy that it includes is free, so it brings in no added revenue.

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[Zu Nim]

Originally Posted by veritas

It just kind of annoys me to include netflix and other stream services to boost digitals performance while leaving cable out of the equation when cables where most of the money appears to be siphoned from.

There's a reason the chart's combined revenues stay the same year after year - it's the same pot divided differently. No external numbers are needed to explain what's happening. Money is shifting from one format to the other within the complex.

You're proposing digital subs revenue is coming out of cable's numbers and that the remaining sales/rental revenues is coincidentally plummeting. Basically, this chart, which is all revenue excluding digital subs:



(Google Sheets drops the bottom $10B out which makes the chart look more dramatic than it is, but it's still dramatic: from $18.5B in 2010 to $12B in 2016.)

Your thesis isn't supported. The studios would be showing enormous drops in revenue. Digital subs revenue is not (primarily) former cord-cutting revenue. I don't know how I can make it more plain.

Now if that changes in a few years and the chart shows growing combined revenues we'd have to consider where that revenue was pulling from and maybe cable comes into play. But we don't have to wonder yet.

[bru20]

If you want to see who still clings to physical media just go to SlickDeals. Deals for a Blu-ray will invariably be popular even if you can get the digital version for half the price or even less. Don't try to tell them that either. They get very defensive and do every thing they can to put down digital.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why care what people think? Quality is important to true film lovers and collectors.

I don't, but I will admit this measly 1 week of waiting for the physical since Logan became for sale digitally has felt like a prison sentence.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why care what people think? Quality is important to true film lovers and collectors.

Originally Posted by flyry

I don't, but I will admit this measly 1 week of waiting for the physical since Logan became for sale digitally has felt like a prison sentence.

You could have bought Logan weeks ago on Vudu Disc+Digital, and watched it then then watch it again on Disc when you get it. I think you will see that it looks and sounds the same both ways, if you have the right setup.

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You could have bought Logan weeks ago on Vudu Disc+Digital, and watched it then then watch it again on Disc when you get it. I think you will see that it looks and sounds the same both ways, if you have the right setup.

You are definitely correct about that. I notice no quality difference on my 50 inch TV between the VUDU stream of Logan and the Blu Ray disc.

[zarquon]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You could have bought Logan weeks ago on Vudu Disc+Digital, and watched it then then watch it again on Disc when you get it. I think you will see that it looks and sounds the same both ways, if you have the right setup.

Blu-ray audio is DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 lossless, VUDU HDX stream is Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 compressed, so no, it doesn't. I'm sure it still sounds pretty good, but not the same...

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by zarquon

Blu-ray audio is DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 lossless, VUDU HDX stream is Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 compressed, so no, it doesn't. I'm sure it still sounds pretty good, but not the same...

The audio stuff in my opinion is negligible unless you have a top notch sound system and live somewhere where the perfect sound won't bleed through the walls.

[twobelowpar]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

The audio stuff in my opinion is negligible unless you have a top notch sound system and live somewhere where the perfect sound won't bleed through the walls.

Bluray audio is far superior and I don't have a top notch sound system. It's the video I find to be similar.

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by twobelowpar

Bluray audio is far superior and I don't have a top notch sound system. It's the video I find to be similar.

All I have is a soundbar, and even I can tell the difference in sound on Blu-Ray vs. streaming. Is DD+ 5.1 more good enough 99% of the time? Yep, but I still pop the BD in my PS4 from time to time.

Just like 256kbps AAC (iTunes) or 320kbps MP3 (Google Music, others) is great to my ears 99% of the time, I still listen to CDs every so often.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by bubba111

The doomsday and extreme positions aside, I think the above shows that the sky isn't falling and that multiple options will remain for movie lovers everywhere (ignoring the laughable "I'm a real movie fan and you are not" attitudes).

The formats themselves may remain but with studios completely ditching physical discs for anything but new releases really sucks. I'd love to replace my collection of DVD's with official HD releases. I have my money for studios but they don't release.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

The formats themselves may remain but with studios completely ditching physical discs for anything but new releases really sucks. I'd love to replace my collection of DVD's with official HD releases. I have my money for studios but they don't release.

I do wonder how they are going to sell movies in a digital format that are not new and in the limelight. With physical you can put a new remaster on a disc and get it on the shelf of a store for people to walk by. with digital it wont be nearly as easy to get people to randomly buy decade old films. I mean I dont buy things from itunes or vudu so idk but do people browse digital the same way they browse physical (I know people code deal hunt but I mean digital store front browsing and buying).

If I saw half of something on cable I might buy the film to see it without commercials or to catch the rest of the film but with Netflix I literally look at some stuff and go should I buy it well I would but I can watch it anytime on Netflix anyway so no thanks. It just seems like the further we move towards digital the further at least I move from impulse buying.

[whipnet]

Tangible items will always be with us and may even make a comeback. There's something about touching an item you've paid for and/or collect. To me at least.

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