Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Vilya seems to be MIA. Anyone know anything?

I was thinking the same today.

[alchav21]

What happened to this Website is the End Near? This is where the Revenue Report was located.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/

Where's the Love?

https://lsc-pagepro.mydigitalpublica...p=14&ver=html5

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

What happened to this Website is the End Near? This is where the Revenue Report was located.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/

It's still there:

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-9-23-23/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

What happened to this Website is the End Near? This is where the Revenue Report was located.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/

Where's the Love?

https://lsc-pagepro.mydigitalpublica...p=14&ver=html5

It’s telling that your link takes us to the article about the streaming majors slowing their content spend next year. Irony it seems, isn’t without a sense of humour.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s telling that your link takes us to the article about the streaming majors slowing their content spend next year. Irony it seems, isn’t without a sense of humour.

You should know by now that alchav never reads any of the articles he links to.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Disney Reportedly Looking to Sell Indian Media Assets, Including Hotstar

If Disney does pull out of streaming in India wonder if it will get the all the wow-wees their getting out of disc business in Australia got. Now we will watch as the anti-disc folks try to spin this as a positive.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

My experience with Freevee and Tubi is 1 ad lasting 15 seconds, 2 ads lasting 30 seconds and sometimes 4 ads lasting 2 minutes.Usually come every 15 minutes are so. Less for movies than TV shows. It also depends on the time of day. Most of my viewing is done 11PM to 4AM.



They have the ability to see exactly how changes they make affects viewership literally right away. If they see more ads = less viewers, they will tone them down.

can't you see the inherent contradiction between your two statements?


do you (and every one else) think "it is 3am I want to see more adds" while "it is prime time/daytime I want less adds"? It is the advertisers that dictate by what they are [paying for what happens and for the most part the assumption is that when the consumer can't sleep he will put on something to hopefully lullaby himself to sleep and if he falls asleep he won't be watching the adds and so that spot is a lot less valuable for advertisement and why it is harder for the streaming companies to get advertisers to pay big bucks for those hours 9and why there are less adds).

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

do you (and every one else) think "it is 3am I want to see more adds" while "it is prime time/daytime I want less adds"?

Anthony, do you really care what Lee or any of the other anti-disc folks likes for their entertainment? Lee and folks with similar attitudes have been railing against A/V enthusiast for a very long time. They are by in large the majority, have been, are and most likely will continue to do so. Cheap is the major attraction for them or they simply do not see the benefits or could be both. They will NEVER see A/V from the same perspective the enthusiast does.

[crutzulee]

Just to be clear... as I've pointed out elsewhere, there is no one, anywhere that is anti - disc... just as there is no one that is anti - theater...

That kind of rhetoric is not only unhelpful, it just stokes the tribalism that one finds increasingly on this site, and stifles sober discourse...

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Anthony, do you really care what Lee or any of the other anti-disc folks likes for their entertainment? Lee and folks with similar attitudes have been railing against A/V enthusiast for a very long time. They are by in large the majority, have been, are and most likely will continue to do so. Cheap is the major attraction for them or they simply do not see the benefits or could be both. They will NEVER see A/V from the same perspective the enthusiast does.

I think everyone should use what fits their needs best and I don't have any issues with anyone's choices even if their view is the complete opposite from mine. I also like reading opposing views because they make me think and they might show something that I did not know.

On the other hand in this case I just couldn't help myself but show the irony that in one statement he said the amount of ads where different depending on the time of day (i.e. it is more difficult to get advertisers for some hours so there are less adds at that time) and his next sentence/paragraph was that the consumer dictates how many adds there will be.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think everyone should use what fits their needs best and I don't have any issues with anyone's choices even if their view is the complete opposite from mine. I also like reading opposing views because they make me think and they might show something that I did not know.

On the other hand in this case I just couldn't help myself but show the irony that in one statement he said the amount of ads where different depending on the time of day (i.e. it is more difficult to get advertisers for some hours so there are less adds at that time) and his next sentence/paragraph was that the consumer dictates how many adds there will be.

Once again you missed the point.

Some here have said they will raise prices and the number of ads will increase.

BTW - just to point out - its ADS - not ADDS as ADS is short for advertisements. One "D" not two.

And yes the consumer dictates. If they raise the prices too high, he will go elsewhere. If they include too many ads, he will go elsewhere.

[deatheats]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Just to be clear... as I've pointed out elsewhere, there is no one, anywhere that is anti - disc... just as there is no one that is anti - theater...

That kind of rhetoric is not only unhelpful, it just stokes the tribalism that one finds increasingly on this site, and stifles sober discourse...

I’ve met multiple people who are virulently anti-disc. Most of the anger appears to revolve around a couple of notions. One, that we’ve surpassed needing to have media on physical formats since the advent of streaming and view it as a technological relic. And two, that owning movies in a physical format is a waste of space & money.

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Just to be clear... as I've pointed out elsewhere, there is no one, anywhere that is anti - disc... just as there is no one that is anti - theater...

That kind of rhetoric is not only unhelpful, it just stokes the tribalism that one finds increasingly on this site, and stifles sober discourse...

I can't agree with you. I've seen many posts from people that are anti-theater.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Once again you missed the point.

Some here have said they will raise prices and the number of ads will increase.

aren't you the one that keeps on telling us Disney's streaming will one day become profitable? how is that supposed to happen with out cutting costs (aka content and value to the consumer) and raising revenue ( prices and number of ads)

And yes the consumer dictates. If they raise the prices too high, he will go elsewhere. If they include too many ads, he will go elsewhere.

can you tell me where I can get the highest tier from a streaming provider with no ads for 7.99 like we could a few years back? When one of them does something the rest follow soon after, they all need to increase revenue.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

aren't you the one that keeps on telling us Disney's streaming will one day become profitable? how is that supposed to happen with out cutting costs (aka content and value to the consumer) and raising revenue ( prices and number of ads)

Lavish spending on TV shows got out of hand. They realize that now. So they are cutting back on that type of content, But they are increasing their spend on other content:

This article dated yesterday will explain it to you:

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/ampere...spend-in-2023/

Ads and subscriber money are not the only ways studios can raise revenue. Licensing content to other SVODS and FAST services is worth billions of dollars a year.

can you tell me where I can get the highest tier from a streaming provider with no ads for 7.99 like we could a few years back? When one of them does something the rest follow soon after, they all need to increase revenue.

Can you tell me where I can get regular gas for $2.19 a gallon? I just paid $3.49 a gallon. Gas was $2.19 a gallon in 2020.

Apple+ TV is $6.99 BTW. It's ad -free too.

[t-mel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Once again you missed the point.

Some here have said they will raise prices and the number of ads will increase.

BTW - just to point out - its ADS - not ADDS as ADS is short for advertisements. One "D" not two.

And yes the consumer dictates. If they raise the prices too high, he will go elsewhere. If they include too many ads, he will go elsewhere.

Just to point out, a customer doesn't have to be a man.

But anyway, where will they go if all the services include more ads and are all more expensive? They are increasing across the board. One service increasing their prices gives another service the excuse to do so as well.

Ultimately any given service has to be profitable on its own, and right now they are almost universally unprofitable. And even the profitable Netflix is raising prices and adding advertisements. They have to increase their prices and add more ads. And they will push the ad tiers on people by widening the price gap. They make far more from the ads than the current gaps. So, there will be nowhere else to turn (except piracy...).

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Just to be clear... as I've pointed out elsewhere, there is no one, anywhere that is anti - disc... just as there is no one that is anti - theater...

That kind of rhetoric is not only unhelpful, it just stokes the tribalism that one finds increasingly on this site, and stifles sober discourse...

Depends what you mean by anti-theatre. There are plenty of people who don't like the theatre at all and make wild claims about the experience.* But these people certainly want streaming on the same day as the cinema which as we know would kill the theatres and take the film industry with it.

*I didn't know people in London were so much nicer than the rest of the World because I can barely remember any bad experiences ever.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Just to be clear... as I've pointed out elsewhere, there is no one, anywhere that is anti - disc... just as there is no one that is anti - theater...

That kind of rhetoric is not only unhelpful, it just stokes the tribalism that one finds increasingly on this site, and stifles sober discourse...

Someone here is still upset because chose HD DVD. He's been campaigning against Blu Ray ever since. If you were here back in the day you would know this. He will say that was a 15 years ago but it doesn't really change anything. He doesn't let go, ever.

It's truly funny.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by t-mel

Just to point out, a customer doesn't have to be a man.

But anyway, where will they go if all the services include more ads and are all more expensive? They are increasing across the board. One service increasing their prices gives another service the excuse to do so as well.

They cut back on the number of SVODs or switch to AVODS. Both save the consumer money.

Ultimately any given service has to be profitable on its own, and right now they are almost universally unprofitable. And even the profitable Netflix is raising prices and adding advertisements. They have to increase their prices and add more ads. And they will push the ad tiers on people by widening the price gap. They make far more from the ads than the current gaps. So, there will be nowhere else to turn (except piracy...).

Netflix is adding ads. Adding more ads? Show proof of this. Speculation is FUD.

You are forgetting what the monthly cost is. $15 or $20 a month. The public can't afford that?

Depends what you mean by anti-theatre. There are plenty of people who don't like the theatre at all and make wild claims about the experience.* But these people certainly want streaming on the same day as the cinema which as we know would kill the theatres and take the film industry with it.

*I didn't know people in London were so much nicer than the rest of the World because I can barely remember any bad experiences ever.

To the elitists here - if you don't see movies in movie theaters or you wait for them to appear on a streaming service, that automatically makes you anti-theater. Just a steaming pile of bullshit.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Someone here is still upset because chose HD DVD. He's been campaigning against Blu Ray ever since. If you were here back in the day you would know this. He will say that was a 15 years ago but it doesn't really change anything. He doesn't let go, ever.

It's truly funny.

I was never a member here at BD Forum while the Disc War was happening. I originally joined so that I could make one single post - a congratulation to the winners. And LMAO - that started a Brouhaha. I was a member of the High Def Forum and when it went out of business - that's when I became an active member here.

When will you stopping telling lies Brian?

[bhampton]

Who said I was refering to you?
(I was but .... who said so)