Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by t-mel

Well basing on cable and linear TV you can expect 15min per hour, which from what you said is higher than currently. And millions still paid for cable with that when there was no alternative.

For the most part there is a huge difference between linear TV and streaming ads.

Every satellite, cable and fiber receiver has come with PVR functionality for many years, with OTA PVRs have existed for just as long if not longer, and even before that there were VCRs.


When I watch the local news or Hockey, since I watch both live, there is no choice but to let the ads play (then again news segments are not interrupted and hockey games even in the arena wait to continue the game). But everything else I record and skip the ads, that is not something that can be done with streaming.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The biggest loser has been PAY-TV: CBL/SAT. And they only have themselves to blame. $200 a month with mandatory XX months contracts with penalty clauses if you try to break early.

200$ a month was the smallest package where you live(ed)? that is scary.

[Steedeel]

Best thing about cable is when they used to forget to scramble the adult channels every so often.

DVD recorders sure came in handy at times.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

200$ a month was the smallest package where you live(ed)? that is scary.

How Much Is Cable Per Month?

How much does cable cost per month? So much that it could be more than your electric, natural gas, water and trash service combined, according to a report from Allconnect, a website that lets users compare TV and internet providers.

Using data from a variety of public sources, the site found the average monthly cable package is now $217.42 per month. That’s more than the average household’s monthly cost of $205.50 for all other major utilities combined.

https://money.usnews.com/money/perso...able-per-month

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The studios should have just continued to licence their content out to Netflix and we wouldn't have this mess. They all wanted a piece of the pie but didn’t think it through.

I don't think that is accurate, it is the unfortunate reality of streaming. Netflix can't afford to license everything all the time or they would need to charge a lot more. Studios can't afford not to have the content licensed to no one so they had to find alternatives (or build one) for the unlicensed content.


let's put it differently Lee said he used to pay 200$ a month for cable, obviously a part of that was profit for the cable company, but the rest (most) trickled down to content owners. (plus ads that would go directly to the channel owner that might be a content owner -like Disney channel for example) Just because someone cut the cord does not mean the content owners are happy to lose that revenue, they need it to continue making more content.

when Netflix streaming was small and an extra to peoples Cable it was a bit of extra cash in the owners pockets but when people started cutting cords and Netflix growing, content owners had to start charging Netflix more to make up the loss from cord cutters and then Netflix started cutting back on licensed content and making their own to bring their costs down.

[t-mel]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The studios should have just continued to licence their content out to Netflix and we wouldn't have this mess. They all wanted a piece of the pie but didn’t think it through.

I don't believe this is true. What the studios initially licenced to Netflix were things that already made a profit from more traditional sources of income and the licencing fees Netflix paid were just the cherry on top. The problem became that the traditional sources started drying up as people were switching to streaming and the studios saw the writing on the wall.

At the end of the day, the money comes from advertisers and customers directly. No way could Netflix charge $8 and host news things which solely were to make a profit from its service. I don't think there was anyone who was spending that little on film and TV a month in 2007, and yet that was the cap that Netflix provided.

That's kind of the problem with streaming in my opinion. What you get from someone doesn't scale with how much they see but is limited to fixed subscription fee, although ads will combat that to some extent.

[Steedeel]

None of these studios seem better off for it though.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

For the most part there is a huge difference between linear TV and streaming ads.

Every satellite, cable and fiber receiver has come with PVR functionality for many years, with OTA PVRs have existed for just as long if not longer, and even before that there were VCRs.


When I watch the local news or Hockey, since I watch both live, there is no choice but to let the ads play (then again news segments are not interrupted and hockey games even in the arena wait to continue the game). But everything else I record and skip the ads, that is not something that can be done with streaming.

What provider are you with? I recently switched to BELL FIBE after being with ROGERS for over 25 years. I'm a little nervous with how I'm going to handle this hockey season..

The most recent iteration of the ROGERS box I had was idiot proof. I told it that I was a LEAF fan (insert idiot joke here) it automatically recorded EVERY game without concerns about length... I watch all regular season games delayed and skip commercials and intermissions.

My "new" BELL box doesn't seem as intuitive.. Near as I can tell, I have to set each game to record manually and have to account for extra time at the end as BELL seems to go with the ridiculous time allotments in the program guide.. which would cut off the games early even if they don't go into overtime... As far as news goes, I usually record 2 or 3 11"o'clock news on different stations and then whip through the last 1 or 2 without commercials. With ROGERS, I could "restart" one of them as long as I got to them before the bottom of the hour and I could skip them. Bell allows you to "restart" more programs but then doesn't allow you to skip forward..

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

How Much Is Cable Per Month?



https://money.usnews.com/money/perso...able-per-month

I did not say I did not believe you but according to the article

1)

the average monthly cable package is now $217.42 per month.

2)

However, that cable bill might be for more than simply television. ... Another common strategy is to upsell bundled service packages which make it difficult to understand exactly how much is being spent on cable television itself.

3)

The most official answer can be found with the Federal Communications Commission, which has traditionally published a biennial Report on Cable Industry Prices. Unfortunately, this report hasn’t been updated since 2018. At that time, it found cable companies were charging the following average prices:

Basic service: $25.40 per month
Expanded basic service: $71.37 per month

so I take my back
those prices seem in-line with here and if I were to bundle TV+internet+home phone+cell+ home security it would be around the 200 mark as well.

[t-mel]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

None of these studios seem better off for it though.

Yeah I think if they could go back in time when Netflix streaming started and not license their popular things for dirt cheap, they would.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

What provider are you with? I recently switched to BELL FIBE after being with ROGERS for over 25 years. I'm a little nervous with how I'm going to handle this hockey season..

most of my stuff (internet, phones ) are Bell but with TV I am OTA with several Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVRs that are more than a decade old ,and like I said when it comes to Hockey I never record it, so I can't help with that or tell you how good (or bad) Bell's PVR is.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by t-mel

Yeah I think if they could go back in time when Netflix streaming started and not license their popular things for dirt cheap, they would.

I don't know about that the issue with content is that it is high cashflow industry. They need to spend a lot of money to make the content and then they need to try and make it back as soon as possible so they have the money to make the next piece of content.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't know about that the issue with content is that it is high cashflow industry. They need to spend a lot of money to make the content and then they need to try and make it back as soon as possible so they have the money to make the next piece of content.

You are making it sound like the studio is putting 100% of the production budget into play. This is a very rare happenstance.

Let's take Oppenheimer. All we have read about is Universal. But they are just 1 of the 4 production companies that put up the money:

[t-mel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You are making it sound like the studio is putting 100% of the production budget into play. This is a very rare happenstance.

Let's take Oppenheimer. All we have read about is Universal. But they are just 1 of the 4 production companies that put up the money:

I fail to see your point. They invest in the project because they want to see a return on their investment. Remember when WB put all their 2021 films onto HBOMax and because of that Legendary now has a partnership with Sony? Remember this? https://deadline.com/2023/08/disney-...ng-1235520089/

[crutzulee]

The kids and I watched the UHD of HAPPY DEATH DAY while my Turkey stock simmered on the stove last night.

The wife just pulled the pumpkin pie out of the oven and is prepping all the veg for me to BBQ before she vacates the main floor. As a vegetarian, she does not want to be anywhere in the vicinity of me prepping a 14 pound turkey carcass LOL...

Then a flurry of activity while the bird cooks... Veg on one BBQ, I make my stuffing on another and do garilc mashed potatoes and cranbarry sauce on the stove top, while basting the bird every 30 minutes... It's been north of 30 degrees celcius in Toronto this week... Of course it's 10 degrees and raining on the day that I have to run in and out all afternoon..

Looks like it'll be HAPPY DEATH 2U tonight..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

The kids and I watched the UHD of HAPPY DEATH DAY while my Turkey stock simmered on the stove last night.

The wife just pulled the pumpkin pie out of the oven and is prepping all the veg for me to BBQ before she vacates the main floor. As a vegetarian, she does not want to be anywhere in the vicinity of me prepping a 14 pound turkey carcass LOL...

Then a flurry of activity while the bird cooks... Veg on one BBQ, I make my stuffing on another and do garilc mashed potatoes and cranbarry sauce on the stove top, while basting the bird every 30 minutes... It's been north of 30 degrees celcius in Toronto this week... Of course it's 10 degrees and raining on the day that I have to run in and out all afternoon..

Looks like it'll be HAPPY DEATH 2U tonight..

Both good films in my opinion.

Watched Noah 3D tonight. Best 3D I have seen this year (blind buy a few months ago.)

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by t-mel

I fail to see your point. They invest in the project because they want to see a return on their investment.

Obtuse huh? Those production companies get paid from the proceeds of the theater run. They do not get any money when that movie goes on home entertainment. And THAT is where the studio makes its money - almost all of the time.

Remember when WB put all their 2021 films onto HBOMax and because of that Legendary now has a partnership with Sony? Remember this?

Jason Kilar, the CEO of WarnerMedia used that tactic to increase the sub count of HBOMax. But once again you present a Strawman Argument that has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted - congrats!.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

My "new" BELL box doesn't seem as intuitive.. Near as I can tell, I have to set each game to record manually and have to account for extra time at the end as BELL seems to go with the ridiculous time allotments in the program guide.. which would cut off the games early even if they don't go into overtime.

Had the Family for Thanksgiving dinner over yesterday, one of my BILs has Bell fibe , so I asked him about it. He said in the recording settings there is an option to record longer and as far as he remembers it goes up to 3h. he also said you can actually do timed recordings like you could do with old VCRs i.e. tape channel X from 7pm to 5pm or something like that.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You are making it sound like the studio is putting 100% of the production budget into play. This is a very rare happenstance.

Let's take Oppenheimer. All we have read about is Universal. But they are just 1 of the 4 production companies that put up the money

not sure about your point. can you point out where I said co-productions don't exist? If a film costs 100M to make or a film costs 200M to make but is split by two studios is there a difference? what if it is a cheap 1M film t0o make. what is spent is all over the place. The point is production, advertisement.... all need to be paid up front. Who ever owned the right for the fist films licensed on Netflix streaming would have been very hard pressed to say "No, my crystal ball says nothing good will come from this". My point was simply studios could not afford to worry about what people will be saying in 2023 back in 2007.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

The kids and I watched the UHD of HAPPY DEATH DAY while my Turkey stock simmered on the stove last night.

The wife just pulled the pumpkin pie out of the oven and is prepping all the veg for me to BBQ before she vacates the main floor. As a vegetarian, she does not want to be anywhere in the vicinity of me prepping a 14 pound turkey carcass LOL...

Then a flurry of activity while the bird cooks... Veg on one BBQ, I make my stuffing on another and do garilc mashed potatoes and cranbarry sauce on the stove top, while basting the bird every 30 minutes... It's been north of 30 degrees celcius in Toronto this week... Of course it's 10 degrees and raining on the day that I have to run in and out all afternoon..

Looks like it'll be HAPPY DEATH 2U tonight..

nice we did the traditional turkey on Saturday with the wife's side of the family. I did not want to make two turkeys so yesterday I did a couple of chickens and pork loin using the rotisserie of my BBQ (finished up with some pineapples on the rotisserie)


PS for those that don't know what we are talking and are curious, here in canada Thanks giving is the second Monday of October (i.e. today) so a long weekend