Crystal Lake Memories: The Complete History of Friday the 13th (2013)

[deepred]

Originally Posted by ashedmaniac

...What movie were you watching?

A movie that I watched 10 years ago! I don't remember finding her character any more offensive than anyone else's (being shallow and self-centered are how most teenagers are written) but I do remember the "******" line rubbing me the wrong way. It's not like I lost countless sleep over it or boycotted or even said anything to anyone about it but I later found it interesting when the writer commented that they were also offended by the use of the word during the NSA documentary.

And to me, Monica Keena was the most obnoxious person in FvJ.

Root for might have been the wrong phrase but I still felt it didn't fit the movie and I don't recall thinking Kelly Rowland must die when Keena was giving one of the worst performances for either franchise, flailing around like a fish out of water with that trout mouth. I am sure there were plenty of teens who thought the Kelly Rowland character was cool because being shallowed and self-centered are generally what teens are about. How deep are the kids from Twilight?

[ashedmaniac]

Originally Posted by deepred

Root for might have been the wrong phrase but I still felt it didn't fit the movie.

Eh...okay. But she transitions from that into questioning the length of Freddy's penis. This isn't the type of stuff that makes me go, "Oh yeah! I really root for this character!" It's the type of petty, misguided, "Are you a real man?!"-type stuff that ridiculous and condemnable people use all the time. Implying that if you're gay, you're not a "real man"...if your penis isn't a certain size, you're not a "real man"...etc.

It's just petty, shallow, stupid crap. And that's what her character was.

Plus, it's Freddy vs. Jason. Those are the two sides to root for. The main character is basically just there to arbitrarily fill that role - not to actually be notably worthy of being rooted for.

Which makes the extra-insensitive, "bad at comforting the attack victim" best friend-character particularly expendable. I think we were meant to cheer when Jason "shut her up" - that's why she gets a prolonged, shallow (and, yes, in many regards offensive) rant just prior to being killed. It builds and builds into the relative catharsis of her death.

[deepred]

Originally Posted by ashedmaniac

Eh...okay. But she transitions from that into questioning the length of Freddy's penis. This isn't the type of stuff that makes me go, "Oh yeah! I really root for this character!" It's the type of petty, misguided, "Are you a real man?!"-type stuff that ridiculous and condemnable people use all the time. Implying that if you're gay, you're not a "real man"...if your penis isn't a certain size, you're not a "real man"...etc.

It's just petty, shallow, stupid crap. And that's what her character was.

Plus, it's Freddy vs. Jason. Those are the two sides to root for. The main character is basically just there to arbitrarily fill that role - not to actually be notably worthy of being rooted for.

Which makes the extra-insensitive, "bad at comforting the attack victim" best friend-character particularly expendable. I think we were meant to cheer when Jason "shut her up" - that's why she gets a prolonged, shallow (and, yes, in many regards offensive) rant just prior to being killed. It builds and builds into the relative catharsis of her death.

I hear what you are saying and most slasher movies have these cliche characters but I think the best ones are like Nightmare on Elm Street and Halloween where you actually like the teenagers because everything is then raised to a new level. Even the Friday films and other '80s slashers, usually had an appealing cast. I think that is definitely lacking in these newer slasher films. I do not find these new actors appealing, just interchangeable clones of one another. Now, Katharine Isabelle reminds me of those appealing '80s types and of course she was the first to be killed.

Anyway, it's not a big deal but at the same time, it did feel unnecessary imo. If you really hated the Kelly Rowland character, then I could see what you are saying and how it works in a similar way to the Sleepaway Camp 3 scenario I laid out. You said she was a horrible friend to Monica Keena's character so that probably made me like her more.

[ashedmaniac]

Originally Posted by deepred

I hear what you are saying and most slasher movies have these cliche characters but I think the best ones are like Nightmare on Elm Street and Halloween where you actually like the teenagers because everything is then raised to a new level.

I completely agree there. But, due to the nature of the relative series, Freddy vs. Jason wasn't like those. It was a "vs." movie. It's about the two of them. So, to me, it's not the same as the films where you're meant to root for the main character and their friends...

In fact, a far as I can tell dramatically...even having a "main character" outside of those two was mostly only due to the relative "formula" at play in both franchises...and because audiences have been conditioned toward that. But we all know that Freddy and Jason basically became the stars and the ones we "kept coming back for" (relatively, the protagonists) in their respective franchises.

Even the Friday films and other '80s slashers, usually had an appealing cast. I think that is definitely lacking in these newer slasher films. I do not find these new actors appealing, just interchangeable clones of one another.

Completely agreed. I'd say that one of the main problems often is that they cast models who are trying to act. Not mostly decent (or better)-looking actors. So you just get flat characterizations. Even if the script is pretty good, with these types of casts (with limited acting skill)...you're probably still going to be going, "Well, I don't really care if she survives..."

Anyway, it's not a big deal but at the same time, it did feel unnecessary imo.

I can see that. I believe that the remake of The Longest Yard has Steve Austin, after being terrible to some of the inmates, use the "n" word before some sort of retaliatory stuff...and I remember thinking, "I can see what you're doing but I'm not sure if that's...really something you have to bother with." Then again, there are those who argue that you're denying the reality of situations if you remove all mention of these potentially probable things (including offensive words or events)...so it's difficult. Not that I think The Longest Yard or Friday the 13th franchise are likely to be mistaken for reality.

You said she was a horrible friend to Monica Keena's character so that probably made me like her more.

...I get the impression that Keena was trying to act like the stereotype of the "final girl" characters. So I don't really know whether to hate her for that flatness...or think, "Oh, cool, it's further playing off of the iconography of the franchises regarding the stereotypical 'damsel in distress' innocent often being oversimplified into being a flat characterization." (Although I'm sure some will still hate it - I appreciated the generally fun and tongue-in-cheek nature of FvJ.) I mean, I can imagine those involved in production pursuing that - a "final girl" who would "play the stereotype" rather than playing a fully-realized character. But who knows?

...Hopefully this set will clarify this type of stuff a bit.

[deepred]

Originally Posted by ashedmaniac

I completely agree there. But, due to the nature of the relative series, Freddy vs. Jason wasn't like those. It was a "vs." movie. It's about the two of them. So, to me, it's not the same as the films where you're meant to root for the main character and their friends...

In fact, a far as I can tell dramatically...even having a "main character" outside of those two was mostly only due to the relative "formula" at play in both franchises...and because audiences have been conditioned toward that. But we all know that Freddy and Jason basically became the stars and the ones we "kept coming back for" (relatively, the protagonists) in their respective franchises.

And I certainly didn't expect a well-constructed protagonist in FvJ, I totally love a fun vibe and I thought the movie was fun at the time but the "f" word, I guess just isn't fun for me and it took me out of the picture for a second and maybe that's where the disconnect was for me.

Originally Posted by ashedmaniac

I can see that. I believe that the remake of The Longest Yard has Steve Austin, after being terrible to some of the inmates, use the "n" word before some sort of retaliatory stuff...and I remember thinking, "I can see what you're doing but I'm not sure if that's...really something you have to bother with." Then again, there are those who argue that you're denying the reality of situations if you remove all mention of these potentially probable things (including offensive words or events)...so it's difficult. Not that I think The Longest Yard or Friday the 13th franchise are likely to be mistaken for reality.

And I do think those topics are important in film and media because we do take what we see and it becomes part of our culture. I am actually a film major with a minor in sociology. I hope when I produce stuff, it is socially conscious and even has some kind of important message about society or people. I find with the true horror classics, there is a lot being tapped under the surface if you look for it. Take Texas Chain Saw Massacre and how Tobe kinda wrote that on a riff at the dread of having to go to his in-laws for dinner and then merging it with the real horrors for Ed Gein. These directors were so clever with how they came up with their material, they took it from a place that was personal and raw and thats what I think makes it resonate so many years after. I feel when people make horror movies now, they think what would be scary, or what would be the most screwed up thing to see or try to emulate someone else's success without having that personal spin on it.

[NoirFan]

For those attending the signing:

Originally Posted by Dark Delicacies

Due to the large expected turnout, only the Crystal Lake Memories DVD will be signed at this event. Photos can be taken in front of the tables. We want everyone to have a good time and not have to wait too long in line.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

For those attending the signing:

By "DVD", I'm hoping they mean blu-ray.

[Britbuffguy]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

For those attending the signing:

I'm glad I can't go then! If they get some of the rare ones that only do LA shows, like say Kerry Noonan or Whitney Rydbeck, I'd be angry if I couldn't get them on my posters.

If anyone is going, you're best bet it to try to be last in line. They might cave if it's the end of the day, or you may get people walking out the front door after the event is over!

[WMAangel]

Originally Posted by mar3o

By "DVD", I'm hoping they mean blu-ray.

It's only being released as a BD/DVD combo pack....they are just saying "dvd" in a general, nondescript sense meaning they will only be signing copies of this...and that if you show up, they won't be signing anything else you might try and bring in (like photos, posters, books, etc.)....

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by WMAangel

It's only being released as a BD/DVD combo pack....they are just saying "dvd" in a general, nondescript sense meaning they will only be signing copies of this...and that if you show up, they won't be signing anything else you might try and bring in (like photos, posters, books, etc.)....

I see, that makes sense.

[Britbuffguy]

Originally Posted by WMAangel

It's only being released as a BD/DVD combo pack....they are just saying "dvd" in a general, nondescript sense meaning they will only be signing copies of this...and that if you show up, they won't be signing anything else you might try and bring in (like photos, posters, books, etc.)....

Not to mention when they only called it a Blu-Ray before, half the posts on Facebook were people crying that they only used Dvds. I think it helps rid a lot of those posts.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by ashedmaniac

Eh...okay. But she transitions from that into questioning the length of Freddy's penis. This isn't the type of stuff that makes me go, "Oh yeah! I really root for this character!" It's the type of petty, misguided, "Are you a real man?!"-type stuff that ridiculous and condemnable people use all the time. Implying that if you're gay, you're not a "real man"...if your penis isn't a certain size, you're not a "real man"...etc.

It's just petty, shallow, stupid crap. And that's what her character was.

Plus, it's Freddy vs. Jason. Those are the two sides to root for. The main character is basically just there to arbitrarily fill that role - not to actually be notably worthy of being rooted for.

Which makes the extra-insensitive, "bad at comforting the attack victim" best friend-character particularly expendable. I think we were meant to cheer when Jason "shut her up" - that's why she gets a prolonged, shallow (and, yes, in many regards offensive) rant just prior to being killed. It builds and builds into the relative catharsis of her death.

While I certainly could have done without it (it does seem to be just a bit out of place), on the other hand I saw it as her trying to taunt Freddy by exploiting what his "nightmare" might be. Guy already been burned - to death - so I can imagine it would be hard to guess what his fears would be, so she went to a typically obvious straight male insult. And while Kelly Rowlands is probably never going to win an Oscar, she isn't absolutely terrible - and this was her "big scene" - I think she conveyed her character being uncomfortable saying that, but doing it for it's potential effect on Freddy. But then again, maybe Kelly Rowlands herself was just uncomfortable saying it.

Oh wait, I just totally realized we are in a Jason thread...haha...well, at least he was in the movie.

[tinpiliycfa]

Ordered it but a bit disappointed that there is no french subtitles and that the Bonus disc seems to not even include english subtitles too

[Alhlan Ain Ajeeba]

Amazon is sure taking their sweet old time with a preorder. Even never sleep again had a preorder going around 2 months before.

[F13BluRay]

Yeah I really hope Amazons preorder goes live soon. Getting just a tad nervous

[NoirFan]

^
You guys aren't interested in the bonus disc and/or (in-store only at this point, but was available on Dark Del's site for a couple of weeks) autographs?

[Ill_Be_Back]

Originally Posted by Alhlan Ain Ajeeba

Amazon is sure taking their sweet old time with a preorder. Even never sleep again had a preorder going around 2 months before.

I agree, I would have expected it to be online by now.

[S-10]

Originally Posted by djariya

Just saw the pre-order is up.

It's $29.95 + tax and plus shipping. But it comes with a bonus DVD with more content.

Is anyone else going to bite on this or are you going to wait for a cheaper price like under $20?

I mean after tax and shipping, this is going to cost close to $40.

This is an indy production. Not a huge studio that can afford to sell a release(a 4 disc one, at that) for less than $20.

Amazon(and anyone else for that matter) won't have the bonus disc, so just bite on the pre-order. These guys spent their own damn money making the doc, so the least you can do is pay the pre-order price.

[Devilutionary]

is the preorder for the 4th disc already gone? I couldn't find any trace of it anywhere.

[jmb1381]

Originally Posted by Devilutionary

is the preorder for the 4th disc already gone? I couldn't find any trace of it anywhere.

Nope its still there on crystallakememories.net