Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by t-mel

To be fair, the bizarre videos I've seen of people cheering at say No Way Home is completely alien in the UK. That's not the culture here at all, the only noise people typically make is if it's a reflex like laughter. So perhaps it being acceptable to cheer leads people to behave badly in other ways.

By the way, I would hate the cheering. Not that I watch those films that much (No Way Home was terrible if you ask me...) but it's the reason for those awkward pauses that make no sense outside that context.

Yeah, I often wonder how U.S audiences tolerate whooping and such like.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by t-mel

To be fair, the bizarre videos I've seen of people cheering at say No Way Home is completely alien in the UK. That's not the culture here at all, the only noise people typically make is if it's a reflex like laughter. So perhaps it being acceptable to cheer leads people to behave badly in other ways.

By the way, I would hate the cheering. Not that I watch those films that much (No Way Home was terrible if you ask me...) but it's the reason for those awkward pauses that make no sense outside that context.

I hate disturbances during a movie but don't mind emotional responses to a movie like cheering, depending on the movie. Seeing the final Harry Potter at a midnight screening was amazing because the audience was so into it. Cheering, gasping, laughing and crying. It really enhanced the experience in my opinion.

Same for the last 2 Avengers movies. When Cap caught Mjolnir in Endgame the audience erupted in cheers, me included. It became a communal bonding experience. Which in general I'm not a fan of, but at the movies I think it becomes something special.

It's funny you mention people in the UK being different. I don't consider myself a loud, rude American (though some here may disagree ) and generally can't stand to be around people like that. My wife and I love The Great British Bake Off mainly because of the people. They're so calm and friendly with each other, helping each other when necessary and generally just pleasant. It is a far cry from American competition shows. Every time we watch it I say we should move to the UK. But I guess if we did then no more cheering at the movies .

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I hate disturbances during a movie but don't mind emotional responses to a movie like cheering, depending on the movie. Seeing the final Harry Potter at a midnight screening was amazing because the audience was so into it. Cheering, gasping, laughing and crying. It really enhanced the experience in my opinion.

Same for the last 2 Avengers movies. When Cap caught Mjolnir in Endgame the audience erupted in cheers, me included. It became a communal bonding experience. Which in general I'm not a fan of, but at the movies I think it becomes something special.

It's funny you mention people in the UK being different. I don't consider myself a loud, rude American (though some here may disagree ) and generally can't stand to be around people like that. My wife and I love The Great British Bake Off mainly because of the people. They're so calm and friendly with each other, helping each other when necessary and generally just pleasant. It is a far cry from American competition shows. Every time we watch it I say we should move to the UK. But I guess if we did then no more cheering at the movies .

Living in Canada, having traveled extensively throughout the US, having a loud rude american father and having visited family in London often in my youth, I'm always interested in examining the differences between us.

You should really watch some of their "panel shows" specifically one called WOULD I LIE TO YOU? In addition to being hilarious and highly entertaining, the most striking difference is how absolutely disinterested anyone is in "winning". I mean, they keep "score" and a winner is announced... but it is completely arbitrary and has no basis in the "competition" that preceeds it. It is almost tacked on at the end as a kind of "wink" to cultures that seem so obsessed with "being the best" that they go to ridiculous, self harming lengths to achieve this ultimately meaningless end.

From a media standpoint, I remember that my first viewing of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK was in a very grand theater in London with a balcony. I remember freaking out that, when I was a kid, they only had 4 TV channels and that the TV had buttons with their names printed right on them from the manufacturer - BBC 1,2,3 and ITV..... and the some of the channels didn't begin broadcasting until noon!!! LOL...

...but I was also introduced to HAMMER HOUSE OF HORROR, MONTY PYTHON and the birthplace of Indian cuisine..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Living in Canada, having traveled extensively throughout the US, having a loud rude american father and having visited family in London often in my youth, I'm always interested in examining the differences between us.

You should really watch some of their "panel shows" specifically one called WOULD I LIE TO YOU? In addition to being hilarious and highly entertaining, the most striking difference is how absolutely disinterested anyone is in "winning". I mean, they keep "score" and a winner is announced... but it is completely arbitrary and has no basis in the "competition" that preceeds it. It is almost tacked on at the end as a kind of "wink" to cultures that seem so obsessed with "being the best" that they go to ridiculous, self harming lengths to achieve this ultimately meaningless end.

From a media standpoint, I remember that my first viewing of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK was in a very grand theater in London with a balcony. I remember freaking out that, when I was a kid, they only had 4 TV channels and that the TV had buttons with their names printed right on them from the manufacturer - BBC 1,2,3 and ITV..... and the some of the channels didn't begin broadcasting until noon!!! LOL...

...but I was also introduced to HAMMER HOUSE OF HORROR, MONTY PYTHON and the birthplace of Indian cuisine..

We (North Easterners) consider London to be a different country.
I have been several times following my football club and enjoyed the weekend each time, but I was so relieved to be home as the pace of life there is just too frantic.
There were beggars everywhere and it was an ordeal just crossing the road with so many lanes and turn offs.

I much prefer my home (Sunderland)

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We (North Easterners) consider London to be a different country.
I have been several times following my football club and enjoyed the weekend each time, but I was so relieved to be home as the pace of life there is just too frantic.
There were beggars everywhere and it was an ordeal just crossing the road with so many lanes and turn offs.

I much prefer my home (Sunderland)

If the world doesn't go back to hell, plans are to visit Scotland next year with the family...which, I'm pretty sure are in the midst of a current bout of COVID.. so far the boy seems completely unscathed. My wife and daughter have had a pretty rough week. My symptoms have been pretty mild other than a 3 day headache..

I think I'll watch AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON tonight with some sipping whisky..for medicinal purposes of course..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

If the world doesn't go back to hell, plans are to visit Scotland next year with the family...which, I'm pretty sure are in the midst of a current bout of COVID.. so far the boy seems completely unscathed. My wife and daughter have had a pretty rough week. My symptoms have been pretty mild other than a 3 day headache..

I think I'll watch AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON tonight with some sipping whisky..for medicinal purposes of course..

Just got over COVID, had it 8 times now. Must have caught it at the football or cinema as that’s the only two places I have been in the last two weeks.

Scotland? Yeah, we are quite close to Scotland, I think it was you I was discussing our visit to Chillingham castle with? My memory is dreadful lately. Anyway, the castle was very strategic in the England-Scotland border wars.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just got over COVID, had it 8 times now. Must have caught it at the football or cinema as that’s the only two places I have been in the last two weeks.

Scotland? Yeah, we are quite close to Scotland, I think it was you I was discussing our visit to Chillingham castle with? My memory is dreadful lately. Anyway, the castle was very strategic in the England-Scotland border wars.

Did you already go? I thought it was to be some time later in the year...

It sounded ideal for my daughter and I... Not so much for my wife and son...

Had a blast with AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON last night. What a classic!

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, I often wonder how U.S audiences tolerate whooping and such like.

I am all for actual audience emotional responses like legitimate cheering, laughing, crying, gasping. There is a point where it feels "forced" though.

For example,

When I went to see Avengers: Infinity War,
When Spider-man

[Show spoiler]was in Iron Man's arms choking up as he was "dying", the audience audibly gasped and a few were like "Noooo!", and a few folks were audibly crying

. These reactions felt legitimate and warranted.


Like Ender 14 said, I also went to see Avengers Endgame twice in theaters. Both times when

[Show spoiler]Captain America wielded Thor's hammer

, the audience went nuts. The first time, people were cheering and applauding and once again felt legitimate. The second time we saw it, people were going nuts, one guy literally threw his popcorn bucket up in the air covering quite a few people and it felt totally forced and planned.

The worst part, both times

[Show spoiler]Thor's line "I knew it" in reaction to Cap being able to weild the hammer

were ruined and inaudible due to the reactions, and it's a genuinely good/pivital line.

So I do think there is legitimate emotion, especially for films like this, where people have spent 10-15 years loving and living with these characters, but at the same time, I think people are doing it for laughs and probably filming it for Tiktok.

Hopefully no one does any of that when I see Killers of the Flower Moon tonight!

[t-mel]

Gasping, crying, laughing are legitimate responses in that they are instinctive and natural, and audience laughter makes any comedy better. You absolute can control cheering and I would just be annoyed by that because it drowns out the film's audio. This is evidenced by it not happening in the UK.

https://twitter.com/ponysmasher/stat...407805954?s=20 Different topic, but has anyone seen this? As has been said many times, with streamed or digitally bought copies, you can't control what the version is or even the quality. There is no guarantee what you originally get is what stays.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Did you already go? I thought it was to be some time later in the year...

It sounded ideal for my daughter and I... Not so much for my wife and son...

Had a blast with AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON last night. What a classic!

December 1st, can’t wait!

Yeah, as you can see below, American Werewolf is one of my most beloved films.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RevolverOcelScott

I am all for actual audience emotional responses like legitimate cheering, laughing, crying, gasping. There is a point where it feels "forced" though.

For example,

When I went to see Avengers: Infinity War,
When Spider-man

[Show spoiler]was in Iron Man's arms choking up as he was "dying", the audience audibly gasped and a few were like "Noooo!", and a few folks were audibly crying

. These reactions felt legitimate and warranted.


Like Ender 14 said, I also went to see Avengers Endgame twice in theaters. Both times when

[Show spoiler]Captain America wielded Thor's hammer

, the audience went nuts. The first time, people were cheering and applauding and once again felt legitimate. The second time we saw it, people were going nuts, one guy literally threw his popcorn bucket up in the air covering quite a few people and it felt totally forced and planned.

The worst part, both times

[Show spoiler]Thor's line "I knew it" in reaction to Cap being able to weild the hammer

were ruined and inaudible due to the reactions, and it's a genuinely good/pivital line.

So I do think there is legitimate emotion, especially for films like this, where people have spent 10-15 years loving and living with these characters, but at the same time, I think people are doing it for laughs and probably filming it for Tiktok.

Hopefully no one does any of that when I see Killers of the Flower Moon tonight!

Cinemas need to get tough with phones if people are doing stuff for social media. Those people are sad and self obsessed.

[cheez avenger]

Watched Delicatessen on 4K disc last night and it was great.

Started on Bosch Legacy S2 via FreeVee -- first 4 episodes are up then goes weekly.

[t-mel]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...s-67140876.amp

Netflix raising prices again

[alchav21]

Well you guys are saying Disk still has some Life, but Best Buy has added one more nail. I still think that Streaming Quality is up there with Disk if you have the right setup. IMO Disk Quality is very dependent on your equipment and setup, with Projection at the top and then a 65" Hisense, LG, Samsung, or Sony. Any other brand is just not in the Shootout Brand and Quality!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by t-mel

Netflix raising prices again

"Meet the new boss same as the old boss"

[Wendell R. Breland]

At 4% Best Buy was not even a straight pin, much less a nail. 4% is a small fraction of the 45% that Walmart does, BB should have dumped out long ago.

Best Buy, Target and Walmart all dumped EST but EST is still here. The same will be for disc.

[cheez avenger]

And as far as the Netflix increase it's only $2 more per month. $24 more per year. I really do wish Netflix offered the pay per year tier. I'd knock it out and not have to worry about it until the following year.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

At 4% Best Buy was not even a straight pin, much less a nail. 4% is a small fraction of the 45% that Walmart does, BB should have dumped out long ago.

Best Buy, Target and Walmart all dumped EST but EST is still here. The same will be for disc.

Seeing that Wal-Mart practically has half of it locked in is impressive. I don't have any Wal marts nearby myself, so if I have to buy from them it will be online.

BB had been coming in clutch. Snagged a handful of titles the last month or so. Now GRUV is killing it. My copy of Meg 2 4K should be here tomorrow. That doesn't street until next week, so GRUV is doing their own thing. I mean it helps that GRUV is also owned by Universal. I have a bunch of titles coming in the few weeks from GRUV.

[veritas]

Warner bros seems to be fazing out blu ray with its 4k releases. Pretty annoying along with them expiring digital copies. Our projector isn't set up to do 4k so that actually seriously devalues wb titles for me.

Really kind of a weird 100 year celebration releasing bear bones releases cutting features to save a buck. I wonder if they are having trouble financially moving away from standard features so quickly on whats supposed to be premium products and anniversary celebration products to.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well you guys are saying Disk still has some Life, but Best Buy has added one more nail. I still think that Streaming Quality is up there with Disk if you have the right setup. IMO Disk Quality is very dependent on your equipment and setup, with Projection at the top and then a 65" Hisense, LG, Samsung, or Sony. Any other brand is just not in the Shootout Brand and Quality!

Discs have the same problem that book sellers have. It costs a fortune to have enough variety in inventory and then online stores get the same or better rates then you so your undercut on price.

Physical stores should be getting a better rate then warehouses as they are basically also these companies advertising arm. Personally I don't think I would wanna sell physical media if I was best buy either when they are pushing the films onto streaming and vod the same day or even months before the physical releases. We saw theaters go ballistic over way less.