The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Farid

I just cancelled. C'mon guys, let's send a message to the studio/PJ.

I won't be cancelling but I think I'll definitely be sending an email their way as well as maybe writing a review on Amazon. Perhaps if enough people express their discontent then they'd be willing to start some kind of exchange program.

If I knew the EE's were going to be released without the DVDs we already own and the greenless FOTR, I'd wait it out. But I've been waiting for LOTR forever so I can deal with it.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I won't be cancelling but I think I'll definitely be sending an email their way as well as maybe writing a review on Amazon.

Amazon would be way more useful in this regard if they would stop mixing their DVD reviews in with their BD reviews. When you go to the EE BD listing it's flooded with reviews from several years ago for the DVD version (which makes no sense.) For those not familiar with BD-centric sites like this it makes finding useful reviews for the BD version on there difficult.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by cricket

Here's a detailed video of the package I took:

YouTube - ‪LOTR Extended Edition Blu Ray Unpacking Review Box Set‬‏

Excellent review of the packaging; I'm truly impressed. The main thing keeping me from buying this set is paying for 6 discs that I already have, plus 3 more than aren't even in anamorphic widescreen. This whole set would have to drop below $60 at this point, for me to consider it.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

That said, buying the set is still a safe bet. If there is an error, I would imagine it is already being dealt with, a statement is already being prepared and a replacement program is already being planned. Again, if there is an error. No matter what, fans will receive the correct discs they are paying for -- be it the first ones they buy or replacements, if there was indeed an error.

For me it's not a safe bet because I risk getting stuck with an unwatchable version of the film if no one acknowledges the error and doesn't correct it. And whatever happens, the days long silence now would mean that I won't believe any 'it's all right' statements, unless they are very well reasoned. For me it looks like a cover up to avoid loss of money right now.

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

The difference is that DNR is a technique applied intentionally in a transfer. (Awful as it may be.) If the green overcast is an error, it isn't intentional by Jackson or the studio, and will most certainly be rectified. No optimism required. Again, if it is an error

That's not correct. I know for a fact that the European release of Terminator 2 was accidentally DNR'd by the mastering house despite instructions not to do so. And this release was never corrected which for me is also a deal breaker because the disc looks ugly as shit.

[cricket]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Excellent review of the packaging; I'm truly impressed. The main thing keeping me from buying this set is paying for 6 discs that I already have, plus 3 more than aren't even in anamorphic widescreen. This whole set would have to drop below $60 at this point, for me to consider it.

Thanks.

I understand where you're coming from regarding the DVD extras. I think more people would buy it if they were all on Blu-Ray, better bang for the buck.

I just finished watching the first disc of the Two Towers and there's also some "green" color timing, I noticed it most when they're in King Theoden's place. Is it obvious? No it's not. Maybe it was like this in the theatre that's why no one is complaining....yet, I'm not sure. Overall, the picture quality of Two Towers is better than FOTR and the colors seem more natural (probably due to the over green tinting).

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

For me it's not a safe bet because I risk getting stuck with an unwatchable version of the film if no one acknowledges the error and doesn't correct it. And whatever happens, the days long silence now would mean that I won't believe any 'it's all right' statements, unless they are very well reasoned. For me it looks like a cover up to avoid loss of money right now.




That's not correct. I know for a fact that the European release of Terminator 2 was accidentally DNR'd by the mastering house despite instructions not to do so. And this release was never corrected which for me is also a deal breaker because the disc looks ugly as shit.

You're absolutely right. What was done to fix the universally agreed flawed TE of Fellowship? After so much debate and complaints, WB had the screens removed and NO, I say again, NO replacement program in sight. Yet, they apparently rescanned for the EE's and found all this new detail. I for one do not share Mr. Brown's "they'll do alright by us" faith when it's very clear by WB's past actions and or inactions with regard to the original Blu-ray TE of Fellowship.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Amazon would be way more useful in this regard if they would stop mixing their DVD reviews in with their BD reviews.

+1 !!!
I don't understand why Amazon doesn't have a filter.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by cricket

Thanks.

I understand where you're coming from regarding the DVD extras. I think more people would buy it if they were all on Blu-Ray, better bang for the buck.

Exactly. I mean, is the cost or process of pressing a Blu-Ray disc really that different from doing the same with a DVD? Obviously, its a different type of physical disc, but otherwise I should think things would be pretty much identical. You'd think pressing 3 or even 6 BDs with SD content would be cheaper and quicker than 9 DVDs, especially when considering the millions of copies made for the retail market. As it currently stands, the appearance is that WB just wanted to reissue lots of unused DVDs from the prior release.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

I don't know if y'all realize this, but this debate has been going on for over 100 pages.
OVER 100 PAGES.

There's only so much that can be said about the same thing, folks.

Regardless, there's not much more any of us can do at this point beyond wait for a statement, as plenty of people have said already and will probably continue to say until there is a statement. Until then, I look forward to having the films on Blu and being able to enjoy them with excellent HD transfers for the first time.

The same thing can be said with the Star Ward thread, OT/UOT vs PT/SE over and over again for 700 pages, wait until we have screencaps that thread will explode to smithereens and take the internet along with it.

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

That's not correct. I know for a fact that the European release of Terminator 2 was accidentally DNR'd by the mastering house despite instructions not to do so. And this release was never corrected which for me is also a deal breaker because the disc looks ugly as shit.

Was it only the European release? I don't want to dwell on this as it's quite a bit off-topic, but the U.S. Skynet edition has a certain amount of DNR applied to it as well:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Termi...4024/#Overview
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Termi...4/#Screenshots

I have a French steelbook edition (purchased from Amazon.fr), which features a VC-1 encode that looks identical to the Blu-ray.com screenshots (AFAICT) - as much DNR, but not more.

[The Blufather]

Just cancelled my preorder. Green snow, dvds in a bluray release (that some people already have), just not worth $84 to me. It's a shame they didn't deliver a proper release these movies deserved. Maybe I'll wait till the use of blurays that hold more data starts getting used, so I also don't have to change out the movie to finish watching it.

Plus, I'll just watch Fellowship of the Ring, on Netflix streaming.

[CodyCourtBlack2]

i don't understand how people think they can make the appendices in hd. there is no hd transfer.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Maggot

The problem is, you have Blu-rays of movies you mentioned and many more out there that are not done correctly in the first place. That's either greed by just getting it out there and passing it off, hoping nobody will make too much of a stink about it, OR it's plain incompetence. These so called "professionals" in the industry putting out shody transfers, then having to redo them, when these very same errors should have been caught by these very same professinals in the first place. The fact us "lowly" amatuers catch these issues from day one only backs up my arguement.

I have Patton, yes, and Spartacus. They were pre-orders and, hey, at the time, the advanced Patton reviews were glowing. It was hailed as fantastic looking. So what? What does that prove about me? I didn't buy Gladiator or Gangs of NY until the remasters came out, but I got stuck with 2 titles that suck. Does that mean I condone it? NO, and if you presume I do, then you have a serious problem with blindly judging people.

[CodyCourtBlack2]

[Blu-man08]

Originally Posted by Farid

The studio should make a replacement program for those of us who are unhappy with the green tint. Just like Universal did with Gladiator.

I feel much better now that I've cancelled this

But since you cancelled, if the studio does what you suggest, you don't have anything to replace.

[NYorker]

If there is a replacement program, I have a name for it:
There and back again - a faulty disc's journey...

It's amazing how WB, who usually do an outstanding job with their classic catalogue titles, manage somehow to bungle new ones.

[Hofftimus Prime]

Cancelled my order a few days ago. I just felt as the release was getting closer that the price is still to high. I'll wait till it gets to be round 50 bones. I've bought the movies 3 times already, and if I really want to see them I have the Blu regular releases. Plus, it might be worth waiting for reviews.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Maggot

You're absolutely right. What was done to fix the universally agreed flawed TE of Fellowship?

The new transfer for the EE?
The TE release was a cheap shot and it shows.
But that's an altogether different matter. It may be technically inferior but that itself is not defective. By that measurement half the discs I own would be defective because the transfer wasn't new or DNR was used or whatever else treatment people might object to.
The same would apply to the first Gladiator release. Sure it was bad but it was not defective. Just an old, badly prepared transfer. It was nice that an exchange was made but there was no obligation to do so.

Here things are different. Either the green is deliberate or not. If it's not deliberate this constitutes a mastering defect.

And there's another matter: If a disc is cheap, customers may be willing to look over an error but with a high price like here I demand that everything is done to higher standards. And currently it does not meet these higher standards.

Originally Posted by Blu-man08

But since you cancelled, if the studio does what you suggest, you don't have anything to replace.

1. One can still buy when a replacement program becomes official. Or
2. You may be able to buy the corrected product.

But buying a defective product in the hope it might be replaced is like gambling. Maybe you win, maybe you lose but people may not want to take the risk of losing.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by aiman04

The same thing can be said with the Star Ward thread, OT/UOT vs PT/SE over and over again for 700 pages, wait until we have screencaps that thread will explode to smithereens and take the internet along with it.

Just like the death star exploded

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by aiman04

The same thing can be said with the Star Ward thread, OT/UOT vs PT/SE over and over again for 700 pages, wait until we have screencaps that thread will explode to smithereens and take the internet along with it.

So, so true. This FOTR business is a storm in a teacup compared to the nerdrage which will be unleashed in September.