Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Ender14]

https://www.darkhorizons.com/nolan-s...t-is-a-danger/

Beloved filmmaker Guillermo del Toro shared Nolan’s recent quotes on X along with his own take:

“Physical media is almost a Fahrenheit 451 (where people memorized entire books and thus became the book they loved) level of responsibility. If you own a great 4K HD, Blu-ray, DVD etc etc of a film or films you love…you are the custodian of those films for generations to come.”

I couldn't have stated how I feel about my collection any better. It may sound silly to some, but I do feel that my collection is my way of preserving original works of art that are important to me. And while my son may not be interested in movies or physical media as much as I am, it's possible my grandkids will appreciate them and develop a love for the art form like mine. My movie collection is a reflection of me, who I am and what is important to me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

https://www.darkhorizons.com/nolan-s...t-is-a-danger/



I couldn't have stated how I feel about my collection any better. It may sound silly to some, but I do feel that my collection is my way of preserving original works of art that are important to me. And while my son may not be interested in movies or physical media as much as I am, it's possible my grandkids will appreciate them and develop a love for the art form like mine. My movie collection is a reflection of me, who I am and what is important to me.

I agree with every fibre of my being.

[bhampton]

I agree but sometimes I'lll buy a movie that isn't quite "me". Maybe it's just cheap or maybe it's popular and I think someone else will want to watch it.

I will buy anything interesting looking at the dollar store. I should probably separate movies specifically from the dollar store.



This movie isn't quite "me" but it has a few funny moments.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Ender14

https://www.darkhorizons.com/nolan-s...t-is-a-danger/



I couldn't have stated how I feel about my collection any better. It may sound silly to some, but I do feel that my collection is my way of preserving original works of art that are important to me. And while my son may not be interested in movies or physical media as much as I am, it's possible my grandkids will appreciate them and develop a love for the art form like mine. My movie collection is a reflection of me, who I am and what is important to me.

I 100% agree. My collection is like a part of me.
So it pains me to see some directors went all in on streaming like David Fincher or Zack Snyder knowing that I'll never be able to own these movies.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

I 100% agree. My collection is like a part of me.
So it pains me to see some directors went all in on streaming like David Fincher or Zack Snyder knowing that I'll never be able to own these movies.

Agree, it's very frustrating. I respect Fincher as an artist but disagree with his stance. That's why I'm happy Mike Flanagan got away from Netflix. He repeatedly asked for a physical release of Midnight Mass and they told him it would never happen. So he bought bootleg copies of his own series. I would be surprised if his contract with Amazon didn't include a physical media stipulation.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

I 100% agree. My collection is like a part of me.
So it pains me to see some directors went all in on streaming like David Fincher or Zack Snyder knowing that I'll never be able to own these movies.

You can 'own' them, just through extralegal means.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Before I head out the door on another trip to St. Louis, I wanted to take this moment to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving.

When you consider all that you have to be thankful for, it might just surprise you when you realize how blessed you really are. That's how I feel, anyway, and I hope that you feel the same. There is so much to be grateful for and that most certainly includes the time spent here with all of you fine folk.

Although REAL Thanksgiving was celebrated last month, it's really great to here from you!
Wishing you all the best with your upcoming appointments.

From the time my children were very young, my wife and I had always made it a point at every family meal to go around the table and hear what each member of the family was thankful for that occurred in that particular day. Although busy lifestyles and adult children mean fewer opportunities, we still manage this 4 or 5 times a week.

If I were able to make it home tonight for dinner, your post would have been my pick...

Keep on, keeping on brother!

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Agree, it's very frustrating. I respect Fincher as an artist but disagree with his stance. That's why I'm happy Mike Flanagan got away from Netflix. He repeatedly asked for a physical release of Midnight Mass and they told him it would never happen. So he bought bootleg copies of his own series. I would be surprised if his contract with Amazon didn't include a physical media stipulation.

Interesting, I didn't know that. More should follow that reasoning.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

You can 'own' them, just through extralegal means.

Do you mean the Spanish BD's ? I have Panic Room on BD from Spain.

It'll do until the real deal comes along.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

I 100% agree. My collection is like a part of me.
So it pains me to see some directors went all in on streaming like David Fincher or Zack Snyder knowing that I'll never be able to own these movies.

Originally Posted by Ender14

Agree, it's very frustrating. I respect Fincher as an artist but disagree with his stance. That's why I'm happy Mike Flanagan got away from Netflix. He repeatedly asked for a physical release of Midnight Mass and they told him it would never happen. So he bought bootleg copies of his own series. I would be surprised if his contract with Amazon didn't include a physical media stipulation.

You guys do realize it's a Business, and if the Profit Margin is not there for Physical Media the Studios will not release it. They could negotiate to share in the Cost, but I don't think most will want to take that route!

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys do realize it's a Business, and if the Profit Margin is not there for Physical Media the Studios will not release it. They could negotiate to share in the Cost, but I don't think most will want to take that route!

We were talking about directors, not the pencil pushers of the so called "business" who don't care about the art.

At least directors should have a preference about how their movies are shown or preserved.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys do realize it's a Business, and if the Profit Margin is not there for Physical Media the Studios will not release it. They could negotiate to share in the Cost, but I don't think most will want to take that route!

That doesn’t change the fact that we own treasured films that will be enjoyed for decades while you rush to watch a streaming premier that will most likely get wiped mere weeks after.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

We were talking about directors, not the pencil pushers of the so called "business" who don't care about the art.

At least directors should have a preference about how their movies are shown or preserved.

Directors, Actors, Pencil Pushers, somebody has to pay for the PM. Like I said if they want to share in the Cost, but the Studios want to make a good Profit!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That doesn’t change the fact that we own treasured films that will be enjoyed for decades while you rush to watch a streaming premier that will most likely get wiped mere weeks after.

As long as I get the chance to see it before it leaves - who cares. The services 99% of the time tell you which content is leaving so you can view it before it does.

You just don't understand why people like streaming:

It's cheap
It has tons of content
Content is added each month

[crutzulee]

While I respect the passion you guys have for physical media, and for the cinema, I really do think that market is working perfectly here.
As the excitement for the release of titles like TRUE LIES and THE ABYSS ramps up, I'm struck by the fact that, as I write this, I have the Laserdiscs of both literally laying on the floor of my HT, as they have for years. I don't even think I budged them as I built my accousticly transparent screen around them and walled them into the alcove behind it. I'm sure that some of the stacks of vinyl I have sitting in the closet under my basement stairs would have some market value... to someone... but not to me... I've long since given away the means to play any of them.... and I doubt that I'll have a means to play any of my current UHDs in a decade... unless the next physical media tech is disc based, and backward compatible... which I don't think it will be..

I've no doubt that some of you here will buy up the last players made and will find away, at great expense to keep them operational (try getting a big real tape machine repaired today)... but I think that number will be far fewer than most of you think...
I'll always own the latest, and best copy of the titles that mean the most to me... and so far, despite the moaning that goes on in the individual release threads, the quality has continued to improve, often to the point where I feel these classics look and sound better than when I saw them in theaters on their initial runs..

As for theaters... you've heard my rant before... there's too many of them, they don't charge enough, they will always exist, not everything warrants a theatrical release, your individual contributions to their survival amount to less than a mouse's fart of a difference... the market will decide, as it always has... you may not like where it lands, but it's a pretty great time to be a movie lover, despite all the manufactured righteous anger generated on the internet...

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

While I respect the passion you guys have for physical media, and for the cinema, I really do think that market is working perfectly here.
As the excitement for the release of titles like TRUE LIES and THE ABYSS ramps up, I'm struck by the fact that, as I write this, I have the Laserdiscs of both literally laying on the floor of my HT, as they have for years. I don't even think I budged them as I built my accousticly transparent screen around them and walled them into the alcove behind it. I'm sure that some of the stacks of vinyl I have sitting in the closet under my basement stairs would have some market value... to someone... but not to me... I've long since given away the means to play any of them.... and I doubt that I'll have a means to play any of my current UHDs in a decade... unless the next physical media tech is disc based, and backward compatible... which I don't think it will be..

I've no doubt that some of you here will buy up the last players made and will find away, at great expense to keep them operational (try getting a big real tape machine repaired today)... but I think that number will be far fewer than most of you think...
I'll always own the latest, and best copy of the titles that mean the most to me... and so far, despite the moaning that goes on in the individual release threads, the quality has continued to improve, often to the point where I feel these classics look and sound better than when I saw them in theaters on their initial runs..

As for theaters... you've heard my rant before... there's too many of them, they don't charge enough, they will always exist, not everything warrants a theatrical release, your individual contributions to their survival amount to less than a mouse's fart of a difference... the market will decide, as it always has... you may not like where it lands, but it's a pretty great time to be a movie lover, despite all the manufactured righteous anger generated on the internet...

Playing back disc content won’t be a problem for at least the next 20 years. Consoles have disc playback, there are millions of Blu-ray players out there and will be available for a long time.
I still have my PS3 for goodness sake. It plays 3D discs, Blu, DVD and is still going strong two generations later.
DVD came out in 1998 and here we are 25 Yeats later with easy means to play them.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That doesn’t change the fact that we own treasured films that will be enjoyed for decades while you rush to watch a streaming premier that will most likely get wiped mere weeks after.

Nothing gets wiped it's on a Server, and if you buy a Digital Copy it's in your Collection I haven't lost anything. Yes they do get taken down from Subs. Service, but your Digital Copy can be accessed from various Providers. Also all Movies and TV Shows are Archived to bring up at a later date. This might be a better idea than on a Disc that can age, or finding a Player!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Nothing gets wiped it's on a Server, and if you buy a Digital Copy it's in your Collection I haven't lost anything. Yes they do get taken down from Subs. Service, but your Digital Copy can be accessed from various Providers. Also all Movies and TV Shows are Archived to bring up at a later date. This might be a better idea than on a Disc that can age, or finding a Player!

Not what I meant. I meant that streaming titles get discarded if they flop, regardless of their quality. Digital films to own aren’t going to be the focus, they continue to have very minor growth each year, the industry are focussed on streaming subscriptions.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

While I respect the passion you guys have for physical media, and for the cinema, I really do think that market is working perfectly here.
As the excitement for the release of titles like TRUE LIES and THE ABYSS ramps up, I'm struck by the fact that, as I write this, I have the Laserdiscs of both literally laying on the floor of my HT, as they have for years. I don't even think I budged them as I built my accousticly transparent screen around them and walled them into the alcove behind it. I'm sure that some of the stacks of vinyl I have sitting in the closet under my basement stairs would have some market value... to someone... but not to me... I've long since given away the means to play any of them.... and I doubt that I'll have a means to play any of my current UHDs in a decade... unless the next physical media tech is disc based, and backward compatible... which I don't think it will be..

I've no doubt that some of you here will buy up the last players made and will find away, at great expense to keep them operational (try getting a big real tape machine repaired today)... but I think that number will be far fewer than most of you think...
I'll always own the latest, and best copy of the titles that mean the most to me... and so far, despite the moaning that goes on in the individual release threads, the quality has continued to improve, often to the point where I feel these classics look and sound better than when I saw them in theaters on their initial runs..

As for theaters... you've heard my rant before... there's too many of them, they don't charge enough, they will always exist, not everything warrants a theatrical release, your individual contributions to their survival amount to less than a mouse's fart of a difference... the market will decide, as it always has... you may not like where it lands, but it's a pretty great time to be a movie lover, despite all the manufactured righteous anger generated on the internet...

It would still be relatively easy to find a VHS player these days. I cant see blu ray players becoming hard to get in my life time and most blu ray players run like tanks. You normally upgrade before your old one even dies.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

As the excitement for the release of titles like TRUE LIES and THE ABYSS ramps up, I'm struck by the fact that, as I write this, I have the Laserdiscs of both literally laying on the floor of my HT, as they have for years.

As mentioned earlier Have True Lies on D-Theater, VUDU and the Abyss on DVD. If they did a decent job on the new Atmos sound tracks that alone is worth mult dips for these titles. And the video should be a major uptick via UHD Blu-ray.

You must be a Type B to leave items lying on the floor - for years . Me, I am Type A, yep, socks sorted, rolled, etc. Remember, you opened this can of.......